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martouf

(32 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:02 AM Oct 2020

In the long run, the Lincoln Project is not our friend

Do not forget these people are Republicans. They are not for diversity. They are not for health care for all. They are not for addressing climate change. The only thing they have in common with us is they want to get rid of Trump. They are STILL the same racist, xenophobic, misogynistic people they have always been.

From the article:

To get even the slightest indication of who these people are, one needs only look at a screenshot of a tweet making its rounds on twitter from The Lincoln Project’s own Rick Wilson, in which he said:

“Here’s the deal: I don’t care what flavor or islam these d*cks are. The flavor the need to be is bleeding out of a whole in their temple.”


https://medium.com/discourse/the-lincoln-project-is-not-our-ally-bd3c845b1f4b

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In the long run, the Lincoln Project is not our friend (Original Post) martouf Oct 2020 OP
Agreed Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #1
I'm sure we won't forget PatSeg Oct 2020 #5
Let's worry about the long run in the long run...if we manage to get one. BKDem Oct 2020 #2
Agreed PatSeg Oct 2020 #9
Sleep with one eye open riverwalker Oct 2020 #3
I'm married to a Republican myccrider Oct 2020 #44
My father was the most "progressive" person I've ever known. He was a staunch union supporter... George II Oct 2020 #68
I get irritated at all the blanket disdain myccrider Oct 2020 #76
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #78
The smell of intolerance! myccrider Oct 2020 #82
Yawwwwwwwwn. The daily reminder, and the daily implication that we are stupid. Before coffee. niyad Oct 2020 #4
Yawn Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #7
No Particular Reason To Assume Good Intentions, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #11
+1. Nt lostnfound Oct 2020 #17
i'm halfway through my coffee, but ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #10
Kitties before coffee. They insist that they are far more important!! niyad Oct 2020 #16
this is why i am a dog person. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #23
I didn't see that at all. Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2020 #37
A daily, sometimes more frequent, reminder, the implication being that we are too stupid to know niyad Oct 2020 #42
According to Steve Schmidt on 60 Minutes they will never work again for any Republican. Ninga Oct 2020 #6
Yes, I think some have really seen the light PatSeg Oct 2020 #12
Yeah but that's only because no Republican will ever hire them again. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2020 #80
Concern much? yankeepants Oct 2020 #8
Welcome to DU. phylny Oct 2020 #13
at this moment. the long run has NO importance beachbumbob Oct 2020 #14
You think we don't know this? dware Oct 2020 #15
Am hoping no one ever allows them leadership positions UpInArms Oct 2020 #18
Not monolithic. And skepticism toward some pretending to be left is equally warranted. lostnfound Oct 2020 #19
Thanks for your concern. GoneOffShore Oct 2020 #20
At least they have the balls to call out this THUG POSER President and spend a lot of money doing so Bengus81 Oct 2020 #21
Blah Blah Blah njhoneybadger Oct 2020 #22
However, in the short run, they are not our enemy. Binkie The Clown Oct 2020 #24
How about we win this one first, eh? Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #25
In the long run, I don't need the Lincoln project to tell me who the better candidate is or is not. SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #26
the enemy of my enemy is my friend. CTyankee Oct 2020 #32
Wise words indeed. NT SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #38
OK, but we're in short run mode right now. MineralMan Oct 2020 #27
In the long run we are all dead. My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #28
there is nothing wrong with being a Republican..its being a trumper thats dangerous samnsara Oct 2020 #29
You are correct snowybirdie Oct 2020 #30
This isn't an article . It's a Medium post. And I find it highly condescending that you think DU'ers octoberlib Oct 2020 #31
The writer calls themselves a "leftist" Roland99 Oct 2020 #33
No leftist or Democrat that I know of. It's probably Russian disinfo. octoberlib Oct 2020 #34
Uh huh ya they used MLK and Robert Kennedy in an ad GusBob Oct 2020 #35
Loudly, repeatedly and with truth StClone Oct 2020 #36
If anything TLP shows how BAD the repuke party is. How can anybody be enthusiastic about CTyankee Oct 2020 #41
A point I hadn't considered StClone Oct 2020 #43
Who cares? BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #39
ROFL greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #40
Lame Hit and Run OP. onenote Oct 2020 #45
Typical of the purity dead enders BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #70
They have no power. Infiltrating and taking over the Democratic Party was another group's betsuni Oct 2020 #46
So, no matter how many times they point out THEY BURNED THEIR BRIDGES TO THE GOP... Hekate Oct 2020 #47
I doubt those concerned care much about helping democrats. JI7 Oct 2020 #49
So true. Are they Democrats? George II Oct 2020 #69
point out? melman Oct 2020 #54
lol betsuni Oct 2020 #60
Hey if you really want some lols you should check out the FEC report that came out yesterday. melman Oct 2020 #71
Donald Trump's tweet: "Most of the money raised by the RINO losers of the so-called betsuni Oct 2020 #72
FFS melman Oct 2020 #73
IKR? Makes one shake one's head and wonder. George II Oct 2020 #62
Talk to me in January...then maybe I'll agree with you pecosbob Oct 2020 #48
Joe Biden IS for Diversity, Health care for all and addressing Climate Change .They are supporting JI7 Oct 2020 #50
Not even in the short run melman Oct 2020 #51
. Dem2theMax Oct 2020 #52
The TLC's work is just beginning after November 3rd. roamer65 Oct 2020 #53
The same disgruntled author also wrote "Joe Biden is a Risk Democrats Could Not Afford to Take." VOX Oct 2020 #55
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #57
Yup, the ones who regularly complain about TLP are the ones that always attack Democrats JI7 Oct 2020 #58
Yes. Some examples in my post #63. George II Oct 2020 #64
They are the reason Trump happened to republicans. BlueLucy Oct 2020 #56
Trump didn't happen to Republicans. They fully embraced him and continue to do so the uglier he gets JI7 Oct 2020 #59
concern noted obamanut2012 Oct 2020 #61
More from Lauren Martinchek, she's not our friend either: George II Oct 2020 #63
Thank you for posting that eom GusBob Oct 2020 #67
This is basically the cream of the crop for the GOP. LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #65
The enemy of my enemy is my friend right now. marmar Oct 2020 #66
to quote Roger Sterling from MAD MEN "Since when are you allowed to use the words TeamPooka Oct 2020 #74
Very well put. As many Democrats have been saying, "Vote like your life depends on it. It does!" George II Oct 2020 #75
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #77
In the long run, the sun will expand and consume this planet. sarge43 Oct 2020 #83
Exactly. Use them and discard after election. we can do it Oct 2020 #79
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and we don't need Tarc Oct 2020 #81

PatSeg

(52,617 posts)
5. I'm sure we won't forget
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:08 AM
Oct 2020

Democrats tend to be more flexible and open minded than republicans. We will applaud you when you're right, but criticize you when you're wrong. I don't think members of the Lincoln Project are deluding themselves that they are forever embraced by Democrats, they really want to get rid of Trump and his enablers.

PatSeg

(52,617 posts)
9. Agreed
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:10 AM
Oct 2020

Today's problems are big enough. No need to expend much needed energy and sanity on the ones we've yet to encounter.

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. My father was the most "progressive" person I've ever known. He was a staunch union supporter...
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 10:53 AM
Oct 2020

...(one of the first non-AA members of the Pullman Porters), supported all sorts of organizations helping those less fortunate, traveled NYS to speak out against the death penalty, was an advocate for prisoners after their terms were served, etc., etc. Very generous and a wonderful family man.

Until the mid-1960s he was a republican.

I feel your resentment.

myccrider

(484 posts)
76. I get irritated at all the blanket disdain
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 03:21 PM
Oct 2020

and dislike for the "other". Not that I don’t have some of the same thoughts, on occasion, but I try to be less judgmental, at least out loud . I certainly have my lines beyond which I don’t withhold judgment and where I will argue, jump up and down, yell, get in someone’s face, etc. (I quit talking to my grandmother for years because she demanded that I not walk down the street with a black friend when I was about 14. She was an old fashioned southern racist, would never change. I finally gave up the silent treatment and just sniped at her whenever she let her racism out for the rest of her life.)

I’ve lived most of my life surrounded by Republicans. Not all of them are slathering RWNJs, although the GOP has become so extreme that many of the moderates have switched to independent.

My husband became a Republican at a young age because he was, and mostly still is, an old-school fiscal conservative. But he’s also been a social moderate to liberal to civil libertarian. He was always an independent voter, he voted mostly Rep but would vote Dem when he thought they were the better candidate. Over the decades we’ve been together he’s slowly become disgusted with the radicalization of the GOP. He intentionally hasn’t voted for a Republican since 2012, he voted Obama in 2008. He hates Trump, McConnell, et al. He hasn’t been able to clearly articulate why he won’t quit the party, though. But as long as his good qualities outweigh his less good, I’m not going to kvetch too much.

Response to myccrider (Reply #44)

myccrider

(484 posts)
82. The smell of intolerance!
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 09:11 AM
Oct 2020

You remind me a bit of my racist, small-minded, ignorant grandmother who was a registered Democrat her whole life. But that’s just my opinion, no offense meant or anything.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
23. this is why i am a dog person.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:21 AM
Oct 2020

my 2 big lunks are snoozing next to me. one of them is up as soon as i open my eyes, but ready to go out. just gets off th4 bed and stares at me like he needs my permission. he waits patiently until i shoe his brother off the bed and out the dog door w him.
i follow them down the stairs and go to the kitchen.

then they come back in and go right back to sleep. until i have food.

niyad

(130,634 posts)
42. A daily, sometimes more frequent, reminder, the implication being that we are too stupid to know
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 09:11 AM
Oct 2020

without the poster's concern. So very thoughtful.

PatSeg

(52,617 posts)
12. Yes, I think some have really seen the light
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:14 AM
Oct 2020

Once you are actually out of the game, either not running for office or working for a campaign, your perspective changes. Nicole Wallace, Michael Steele, and David Jolly are examples of people who moved on and never went back.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,504 posts)
80. Yeah but that's only because no Republican will ever hire them again.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 07:01 PM
Oct 2020

As soon as that ridiculous Starbucks dude announced he thinking of running Schmidt joined the campaign and started trashing Democrats as extremists.

UpInArms

(54,452 posts)
18. Am hoping no one ever allows them leadership positions
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:18 AM
Oct 2020

in the Democratic Party. They can sit on the sidelines for eternity.

GoneOffShore

(18,009 posts)
20. Thanks for your concern.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:21 AM
Oct 2020

This is about the 14 thousandth thread expressing 'concern'. It's pretty much been hashed over.

Bengus81

(9,974 posts)
21. At least they have the balls to call out this THUG POSER President and spend a lot of money doing so
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:21 AM
Oct 2020

They're MY friend right now.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
24. However, in the short run, they are not our enemy.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:23 AM
Oct 2020

Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by refusing help. If I'm lying in a ditch bleeding I would not turn away help from a conservative.

Happy Hoosier

(9,453 posts)
25. How about we win this one first, eh?
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:23 AM
Oct 2020

Then let's worry about that, shall we?

And who know knows, maybe some of them have had an awakening.

SWBTATTReg

(26,152 posts)
26. In the long run, I don't need the Lincoln project to tell me who the better candidate is or is not.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:24 AM
Oct 2020

We all can see for ourselves the candidates and how they act, what they do, etc. Simple as that. If you think the Lincoln project is really changing minds etc. then I have a bridge to sell you. I view the Lincoln project as another political cog in the vastness of the political storm that is raining down upon all of us. At least from one perspective, their ads are short, sweet, to the point and do indeed highlight the gross ineptitude of the trump administration, trump, and his cronies and their robbing American taxpayers blind.

CTyankee

(67,922 posts)
32. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:34 AM
Oct 2020

At least for now. If they change back, so what? I don't and won't change because of anything they have to say. IOW, I am a functioning adult and I can walk and chew gum...well, you get the picture...

We were Democrats before the Lincoln Project was even conceived and we are still Democrats. The Lincoln Project is good because it shows the Republicans what they hath wrought and hopefully will open their eyes and see where their party has led them. They become Dems for this election but LEARN SOMETHING along with way.

MineralMan

(150,898 posts)
27. OK, but we're in short run mode right now.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:26 AM
Oct 2020

We're just a couple of weeks from election day, and people are voting right now.

If the Lincoln Project is helping us, that's a good thing for right now, which is happening right now.

snowybirdie

(6,613 posts)
30. You are correct
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:31 AM
Oct 2020

We can use them now, but I'd bet they will run candidates against us in 2024. They are forming a new party!

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
31. This isn't an article . It's a Medium post. And I find it highly condescending that you think DU'ers
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:33 AM
Oct 2020

are so damn dumb that they need to be lectured by you on Republicans.

GusBob

(8,190 posts)
35. Uh huh ya they used MLK and Robert Kennedy in an ad
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:38 AM
Oct 2020

These DU posts are based on.jealousy because TLP ads are more effective than anonymous posters on some old news group forum

And as for the future you have no clue

And you dont speak for me ever

StClone

(11,869 posts)
36. Loudly, repeatedly and with truth
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 08:48 AM
Oct 2020

They are working with us now, but! The Lincoln Project will take a number anti-Trump voters and a few Dems with them rightward once the Orangetan is put in the zoo.

CTyankee

(67,922 posts)
41. If anything TLP shows how BAD the repuke party is. How can anybody be enthusiastic about
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 09:10 AM
Oct 2020

them after seeing these ads? The repuke party looks dismal, ugly, racist, dumb and WRONG for this country.

All we have to do is step back and let them do our dirty work AND then be true to our colors after we win and take the House and the Senate. With that power we can get change for GOOD.

StClone

(11,869 posts)
43. A point I hadn't considered
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 09:40 AM
Oct 2020

Repugs are so bad, but hatred of us has been so imprinted by their relentless attacks, that all it took was a third party (Lincoln Project) to point it out!

Then the spell is broken in some, and reality starts seeping back in. It took a third party because the Trumpanzees would never consider us as a honest, truthful, factual source (if they ever even could).

BannonsLiver

(20,317 posts)
39. Who cares?
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 09:05 AM
Oct 2020

I must have missed the part where it was a marriage. I don’t know why people feel like they need “more” from the LP people. Why some goober vomiting words on Medium, or anyone else, would care what they do beyond 11/3 is baffling and stupid.

betsuni

(28,901 posts)
46. They have no power. Infiltrating and taking over the Democratic Party was another group's
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 12:00 AM
Oct 2020

goal (big fail), not the Never Trumpers.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
47. So, no matter how many times they point out THEY BURNED THEIR BRIDGES TO THE GOP...
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 12:14 AM
Oct 2020

...you are going to spend a portion of every day cussing them out on posts online?

Yeah, that’ll help us Dems.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
71. Hey if you really want some lols you should check out the FEC report that came out yesterday.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oct 2020

The Lincoln Project brought in $40M in the third quarter and pocketed nearly all of it.


LOL


betsuni

(28,901 posts)
72. Donald Trump's tweet: "Most of the money raised by the RINO losers of the so-called
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 12:04 PM
Oct 2020

'Lincoln Project' goes into their own pockets."

YOUR LINK IS TO TRUMP'S TWEET! YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE TRUMP?

pecosbob

(8,347 posts)
48. Talk to me in January...then maybe I'll agree with you
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 12:58 AM
Oct 2020

They say they will never work in Republican politics again, but I think it very likely they will become the next generation of cable news' conservative enablers.

JI7

(93,380 posts)
50. Joe Biden IS for Diversity, Health care for all and addressing Climate Change .They are supporting
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 01:09 AM
Oct 2020

Joe Biden.

The racist , xenophobic , misogynistic ones are support Trump.

roamer65

(37,852 posts)
53. The TLC's work is just beginning after November 3rd.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 01:41 AM
Oct 2020

They are gonna burrow into the remainder of the Repuke party and wreak havoc.

Party purge time.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
55. The same disgruntled author also wrote "Joe Biden is a Risk Democrats Could Not Afford to Take."
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 03:27 AM
Oct 2020

Laura Martinchek comes off like a purity-case who can’t get over Bernie’s loss. Metaphorically, she wants what isn’t on the menu, and proceeds to raise a big stink about it. Not the way to win elections in the face of full-on fascism.

Some of her “stellar” efforts:
https://medium.com/discourse/joe-biden-is-a-risk-democrats-could-not-afford-to-take-b717e32986bc

Joe Biden is a Risk Democrats Could Not Afford to Take.
The ramifications of Biden’s nomination will not end with this single election, and the party doesn’t seem to care about the consequences...

While the coronavirus has been a mask off moment for the end-stage capitalist, oligarch-centered rot of an economic system we exist within, Joe Biden has been that for the democratic party. That being said, in all honesty it hasn’t surprised me in the slightest to see the democrats throw away what was incredibly necessary and meaningful like the #MeToo movement all in the name of protecting a vapid shell of a candidate like Joe Biden. A candidate who can’t even construct a meaningful sentence, let alone answer for these allegations in a satisfactory manner.
Now, the question is what will it take for the democrats to drop him?


And she penned some other bullshit pieces like:

Nancy Pelosi Just Made Herself Trump’s Best Ally.
https://xlauren-mx.medium.com/

Don’t Waste Your Money on Kentucky’s Amy McGrath. Please stop donating to her.
https://medium.com/discourse/dont-waste-your-money-on-kentucky-s-amy-mcgrath-f13645ae7be9

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
56. They are the reason Trump happened to republicans.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 03:34 AM
Oct 2020

They pushed subtle racism, misogyny, xenophobia and other ugly pro white man propaganda. Trump took their ideology and dumped it on Americans with a bullhorn.

JI7

(93,380 posts)
59. Trump didn't happen to Republicans. They fully embraced him and continue to do so the uglier he gets
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 03:47 AM
Oct 2020

Trump himself was always a bigot just like them. What they have in common is resentment of other people.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
65. This is basically the cream of the crop for the GOP.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 10:48 AM
Oct 2020

And they are not likely to be invited back into the fold as long as the GOP is who they are.

 

TeamPooka

(25,577 posts)
74. to quote Roger Sterling from MAD MEN "Since when are you allowed to use the words
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 12:18 PM
Oct 2020

"the long run" in this room?"
There is no long run.
There is only now
this election
19 fucking days
thats it
and then we have to make it to Jan 21st

Response to TeamPooka (Reply #74)

sarge43

(29,173 posts)
83. In the long run, the sun will expand and consume this planet.
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 12:53 PM
Oct 2020

In the short run Lincoln Project is taking Moron and his creatures to the wood shed.

If they turn on Democrats on 4 Nov and beyond, so be it. We'll then know what they are.

Tarc

(10,597 posts)
81. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and we don't need
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 07:04 PM
Oct 2020

a 32-count poster to be divisive at this time.

Begone.

We will get this orange stain out of the WH with any who believe the same.

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