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femmedem

(8,561 posts)
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 06:43 AM Oct 2020

Joe Biden Has Changed (The Atlantic)

Last edited Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:15 AM - Edit history (1)

"If Joe Biden prevails, his basement will rest alongside William McKinley’s front porch in the annals. In his subterranean retreat, Biden not only sat still while his opponent spectacularly self-destructed, but also underwent a metamorphosis. He entered it a cautious pragmatist, yearning for a reversion to the time before Donald Trump; he left convinced of his chance to become a latter-day Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Over the spring and summer, Biden inverted the historic template of the Democratic nominee. According to time-honored political logic, a candidate poses as a bleeding heart in the primary, only to retrace his or her steps back to the center in the general. During his time in his basement, by contrast, Biden’s ambitions for the presidency began to acquire a grandiosity that his intramural battle with Bernie Sanders hardly anticipated.

Following two consecutive presidents who professed to disdain politics, Biden is a politician to the core—attuned to the limits of the possible, always finding his way to the epicenter of the zeitgeist. As he cocooned in Delaware, the pandemic, the ensuing economic fallout, and the protests against racial inequality reset the context for the next presidency. Biden grasped that.

Biden came to understand that the necessity of public investment presented a singular opportunity to transform American life. In August, he promised $2 trillion to combat climate change, to be spent, in part, on 1 million unionized jobs and 1.5 million affordable-housing units. This wasn’t a pure transposition of the Green New Deal, but it was spiritually aligned. As David Wallace-Wells has noted, Biden’s proposed spending is more than 20 times the size of Barack Obama’s expenditure on green energy. And having endured the primary derided as a collaborator of Strom Thurmond’s, he started describing systemic racism in far blunter language than any previous nominee, and elevating police reform to the center of his plans."

More: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/biden-wants-transform-america-really/616748/

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Joe Biden Has Changed (The Atlantic) (Original Post) femmedem Oct 2020 OP
I too have noted the change Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #1
Me too. He wasn't my first or even my second choice early in the primary season femmedem Oct 2020 #3
YES Sugarcoated Oct 2020 #2
Great article. Thanks for sharing. Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #4
Yes PatSeg Oct 2020 #15
"become a latter-day Franklin D. Roosevelt." Just what we need :) patricia92243 Oct 2020 #5
I've heard a lot of people say that lately PatSeg Oct 2020 #19
Most of us may not remember but this kind of town hall and in depth speaking was what we liked Boogiemack Oct 2020 #6
I'm not only more encouraged now about Joe, Magoo48 Oct 2020 #7
Biden is going far beyond being just the anti-Trump candidate nuxvomica Oct 2020 #8
Great article. K&R. n/t ms liberty Oct 2020 #9
K & R'd XanaDUer2 Oct 2020 #10
Good article thanks for posting! FloridaBlues Oct 2020 #11
I'm feeling something I haven't permitted myself to feel for a long time: Hope. nt Buns_of_Fire Oct 2020 #12
Yes PatSeg Oct 2020 #17
He's definitely changed BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #13
K & R'd XanaDUer2 Oct 2020 #14
I was hopeful Biden would see his chance DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #16
Kick dalton99a Oct 2020 #18
KNR niyad Oct 2020 #20
The thing is, politics is the job localroger Oct 2020 #21
YES. This is *exactly* the thing... dixiechiken1 Oct 2020 #24
Kick BadgerMom Oct 2020 #22
Joe wants to be a new FDR, yet there are those who urge him to be a cautious pragmatist Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #23
Wonderful article. When I read the first paragraph I got goose bumps. For in his basement, c-rational Oct 2020 #25
good Skittles Oct 2020 #26
From sociopathic capitalism, to a plan for Americans. mzmolly Oct 2020 #27
Great leaders adjust to meet the demands of their time. Blue_true Oct 2020 #28

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. I too have noted the change
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 06:59 AM
Oct 2020

At first the thought of a “re-set Presidency” was of great concern as I believed and still do that we simply do not have time for such a concept. My vote was cast for Biden on September 30th and there was never any doubt that I would not cast it for whomever was the nominee. That said, I was very happy to hear him at the Town hall this last week answering questions discussing problems and the ideas to correct them. I have great hopes for a Biden administration.

femmedem

(8,561 posts)
3. Me too. He wasn't my first or even my second choice early in the primary season
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:14 AM
Oct 2020

but by the time my state's primary came along, I voted for him, and now I think he's just the right person for this moment.

Sugarcoated

(8,240 posts)
2. YES
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:06 AM
Oct 2020

My observation, as well... I knew he would get there, I knew he would listen to the progressives. I knew he would meet the moment!

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
4. Great article. Thanks for sharing.
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:19 AM
Oct 2020

One thing I've noticed about Biden is that in the last few months he seems to be talking a lot more about policy than he talks about Trump. I think he's been providing a good contrast.

I'm ever hopeful that he'll get a chance to implement these ideas.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
15. Yes
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:53 AM
Oct 2020

He doesn't need to go after Trump all the time. Whenever Trump speaks or tweets, it benefits Joe without him saying a word. His increased focus on policy shows that he isn't just the "better than Trump" candidate, he is the best person for the job at this particular time. People can comfortably vote for Joe as an excellent candidate regardless of who his opponent is.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
19. I've heard a lot of people say that lately
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:02 AM
Oct 2020

It dawned on me awhile back and I'm so glad other people are recognizing it as well. Joe won't just be an adequate replacement for Trump, he will be an excellent president in his own right. I think a lot of people will be surprised.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
6. Most of us may not remember but this kind of town hall and in depth speaking was what we liked
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:49 AM
Oct 2020

about a young Bill Clinton. He talked and listened to the voters. Never in a hurry, looked you in the eye and was never uncomfortable with minorities or women.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
7. I'm not only more encouraged now about Joe,
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 07:52 AM
Oct 2020

but extremely optimistic as well about the cabinet possibilities he has before him.

nuxvomica

(14,092 posts)
8. Biden is going far beyond being just the anti-Trump candidate
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:04 AM
Oct 2020

He would suffice in just that role, as Trump is such a huge deficit I'd be okay with replacing him with a scarecrow, but instead he has established himself as a powerful force for change beyond even the old status quo. Obama was like that as well, even though McConnell had "jammed him into iron pants," to paraphrase Hemingway, he still "danced".

BumRushDaShow

(169,765 posts)
13. He's definitely changed
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:49 AM
Oct 2020

Just watching that last Town Hall, he seems to have been (as has been the goal for many in the party) pulled to the left, where he is more "Center left" than "Center right". I doubt he'll ever go much further "left" because there is a large sector that could be considered "middle" who have all kinds of combinations and permutations about certain subjects of concern fought over by either left or right.

But considering that he was once considered one of the "poorest" Senators in the Senate and commuted back and forth between Delaware and D.C. almost every night, he has been slowly letting the one end - the "rant against the billionaires" side come out, to bookend his usual "for the working person" side.

DeminPennswoods

(17,506 posts)
16. I was hopeful Biden would see his chance
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:54 AM
Oct 2020

to be a truly transformative president. I'm glad he has. He only needs to find his own Frances Perkins and Harold Ickes.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
21. The thing is, politics is the job
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:08 AM
Oct 2020

The problem with putting in an "outsider" who "isn't a politician" is that if you want to get stuff done, you need to understand and be able to work the system. Jimmy Carter is without a doubt one of the most honorable and moral person to hold the job in living memory, but he wasn't very effective because he was exactly what he claimed to be during his campaign. And at this point with all the damage done we need someone who can be effective, even if we don't always like the tactics they have to use or the compromises they have to make to get it done. And Biden is definitely that guy.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
24. YES. This is *exactly* the thing...
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:59 AM
Oct 2020

I believe Trump and his ilk got the votes of people who were tired of "business as usual" and wanted to, in their words, "burn it all down." The same people who hate our government, who don't believe in our government, are the very ones for whom these low-information voters vote to run it. They've been doing it for years. Remember St. Ronnie's favorite laugh line, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help"?

Joe Biden wasn't my first choice. But I now firmly believe that he is the PERFECT man to lead us through this moment in our history. There will be no traditional "transition," because these clowns have never learned to govern. Joe has the Executive experience to know how things are supposed to work. And he will surround himself with all the best people. He will hit the ground running. No OJT necessary. And he appears to be actually listening to what we, the voters, want. I expect big things to come and I can't wait.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,240 posts)
23. Joe wants to be a new FDR, yet there are those who urge him to be a cautious pragmatist
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:20 AM
Oct 2020

Biden wants to meet the moment, and heal the nation with the substantive changes required to stop the suffering and move the nation forward, yet there are those, both in Washington and here on DU who advise caution and to “go slow” despite the once-in-a-century opportunity and momentum for change.

I for one will be cheering and urging Biden to take bold steps and make sweeping changes to benefit all Americans, despite the political risks.

c-rational

(3,203 posts)
25. Wonderful article. When I read the first paragraph I got goose bumps. For in his basement,
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 10:04 AM
Oct 2020

in stillness, Joe Biden found his stillness, his center. I am so thankful Joe is our nominee. He does IMO know what this country needs - to find our soul again.

mzmolly

(52,793 posts)
27. From sociopathic capitalism, to a plan for Americans.
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:12 PM
Oct 2020
Biden is such a familiar figure that many campaign reporters haven’t seriously scrutinized his policy or biography or coterie of advisers. Closer attention would have revealed a trail of evidence that suggests the sincerity of his transformational ambitions and a plausible plan for actualizing them.


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. Great leaders adjust to meet the demands of their time.
Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:33 PM
Oct 2020

FDR had the challenge of the Great Depression and Nazism in his time. LBJ had the challenge of segregation and vicious racial violence toward Blacks, Russian Space advances, and impoverished elderly people during his time. Both men rose to the biggest challenges before them, while not being great on others (FDR failed to confront racism head on and LBJ failed to end our involvement in Vietnam).

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