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Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

If You're Not Voting Early and You're Worried about Militia Types at the Polls

Here's the thing: You're probably not going to see them at your polling place. If they show up anywhere, it will be at some polling places where most people believe as they do. They're not "Proud Boys" or "Brave Boys." They're not "Strong Boys," either. They're "Scared Boys."

If, by some chance you do encounter any such people outside of your polling place, just walk past them and ignore anything they have to say. Just go into your polling place and cast your vote. Don't engage with them. Don't argue with them. Just walk on by and vote inside, where they absolutely will not be allowed to be.

If you are actually threatened, turn back and call 911 to report the threat. Insist on a physical response by law enforcement. Don't take no for an answer. Then, wait for a law enforcement person to show up and ask that official to escort you into the polling place. Don't be afraid. The "Scared Boys" are not going to attack you or hurt you. They know that will lead to their arrest and that they won't be happy in jail.

If you have already voted, though, and have friends who you can count on, consider showing up at a polling place with your friends. Come armed with your cell phone camera, a GoPro, or some other high-definition video equipment. Stand well away from the "Scared Boys" and don't engage with them in any way. Simply record any harassments, threats, or other illegal behavior from them. Don't carry signs, wear political clothing, or do anything else. Just record what the "Scared Boys" do, if it involves voter intimidation efforts. If they threaten you, call 911 and ask for a law enforcement officer to be sent to your location. That is your right.

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Reply If You're Not Voting Early and You're Worried about Militia Types at the Polls (Original post)
MineralMan Oct 18 OP
lark Oct 18 #1
cwydro Oct 18 #3
lark Oct 18 #7
cwydro Oct 18 #10
MineralMan Oct 18 #14
cheezmaka Oct 18 #31
lark Oct 18 #57
BamaRefugee Oct 18 #34
cwydro Oct 18 #50
Thekaspervote Oct 18 #2
Chainfire Oct 18 #4
MineralMan Oct 18 #16
Mike 03 Oct 18 #5
AlexSFCA Oct 18 #6
SharonClark Oct 18 #8
MineralMan Oct 18 #12
sarge43 Oct 18 #24
LisaL Oct 18 #9
FM123 Oct 18 #11
MineralMan Oct 18 #13
FM123 Oct 18 #15
Joinfortmill Oct 18 #17
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 18 #18
KPN Oct 18 #19
hurple Oct 18 #20
MineralMan Oct 18 #25
hurple Oct 18 #54
MineralMan Monday #61
yuiyoshida Oct 18 #21
MineralMan Oct 18 #22
tavernier Oct 18 #23
MineralMan Oct 18 #26
tavernier Oct 18 #30
MineralMan Oct 18 #32
tavernier Oct 18 #39
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 18 #27
MineralMan Oct 18 #28
vercetti2021 Oct 18 #29
birdographer Oct 18 #33
Jopin Klobe Oct 18 #35
MineralMan Oct 18 #37
proud patriot Oct 18 #36
MineralMan Oct 18 #38
Submariner Oct 18 #40
Progressive Jones Oct 18 #41
orangecrush Oct 18 #42
paleotn Oct 18 #43
MineralMan Oct 18 #51
bluestarone Oct 18 #44
Oscarthegreat Oct 18 #45
Fiendish Thingy Oct 18 #46
calimary Oct 18 #47
Sogo Oct 18 #48
MineralMan Oct 18 #53
IronLionZion Oct 18 #49
MineralMan Oct 18 #52
IronLionZion Oct 18 #55
Vivienne235729 Oct 18 #56
mopinko Oct 18 #58
tormadjax Monday #59
MineralMan Monday #60
tormadjax Monday #62
MineralMan Monday #63
tormadjax Monday #64
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:14 PM

1. Good advice.

Predators attack prey so don't look like prey.

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Response to lark (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

3. How are these predators supposed to know how any random person is going to vote?

Makes no sense.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:26 PM

7. They pick on minorities, the timid, and anyone who looks down on their luck.

They attack who they perceive as the weak or different.

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Response to lark (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

10. But how would they know the person is not voting republican?

I know minorities who support trump. As far as weak or timid, are republicans some kind of studly group full of confidence ?

Different? Those cretinous militia morons from Michigan are pretty “different “ looking to me.

Sorry I’m not getting it. It makes no sense this belief people have that these weasels will show up to intimidate people when no one knows who is voting for whom.

I’m not in the least worried about any “proud boys” or anyone else.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:01 PM

14. They're not all that bright, of course.

If they come to harass, they will harass people who fit whatever stereotype they think will vote for Democrats and who look like they might be fearful. They want to stir up fear and arguments. That is why they are there.

The simplest way to deal with them is not to acknowledge them at all. They will hate that, since they're there to be seen and recognized as the "patriots" they believe they are. If they are ignored, they will be disappointed.

Like all bullies, they will select those they think are weak and frightened for their attentions. They carry firearms to allay their own fears. They are, after all, "Scared Boys." If you're feeling brave, laughing at them is the best response. They hate that.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:57 PM

31. I agree. How would they be able to tell?

A person could simply say "Hey, I'm voting for Trump!" and walk into the poll and vote for Biden. However, "ignoring them" is the BEST strategy. I'm in Detroit so those militia morons wouldn't dare come to ANY Detroit polling locations!

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Response to cwydro (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 05:36 PM

57. The 2nd time Bush ran some of his supporters were harassing folks going to vote.

It's the only time it happened. They were questioning most dark skinned folks or folks who looked down on their luck if they were registered and asking them to prove it, but the security guards made them leave, so they just went about 100 yrds away (the legal limit) and resumed yelling at people, but they didn't actually touch anyone or stop anyone as the guards were watching them closely by that time. It's against the law for anyone other than 1 person - unarmed - to represent each party at the polling plce, so inside should never be a problem unless there are major crazies. This time they are allegedly training Proud Boys to be their poll watchers, but each state is different so don't know if they are competent enough to accomplish that. If a Proud Boy, as a monitor, was there, who knows what those asses would do?

I do think almost 100% of this, if it gets bad at all, would happen on election day to make more impact. That and shorter (praying for this) lines on early voting are why I will be going tomorrow. Have my chairs ready and will bring my water jug, big hat, Kendle, phone and snacks. 3 more votes for Biden tomorrow.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:02 PM

34. Oh they know how you're gonna vote. It's those Birkenstocks that all the damn LIBRULS wear! 'MURICA!

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:43 PM

50. Well, I don't even own a pair lol. as if they'd even recognize a pair of Birkenstocks.

No way can they figure out how anyone is going to vote.

I think it's kind of silly to think these morons are going to be trying to size someone up at the polls and guess how they'll vote. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense to me. Giving these idiots WAY too much credit for having any brains at all.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:19 PM

2. Good words..

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:22 PM

4. This old hippie

might be meaner than they are. I will not be intimidated at the polls.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:02 PM

16. Well, yes. They will doubtless leave you alone.

Bullies only pick on those they perceive as weak.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:23 PM

5. Great post.

Kicking!


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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:26 PM

6. pretend you are a trump supporter

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:32 PM

8. Good advice.

Also, when you go into the place to vote, tell the person running the polling place and the Democratic Poll Watcher. They'll know what to do.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:53 PM

12. Yes! I should have included that suggestion.

Thanks.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:36 PM

24. Hubby and I have talked about this.

In the remote possibility that any of those a-holes up at our polling place, he'll stay put and record the action. I'll go inside and notify the officials. He can keep his temper; I can't.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

9. And if you can vote early, vote early!

By mail or in person.
This way you don't have to worry about "proud boys." And them "proud boys" will be harassing their own kind, since many republicans are waiting until election day.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:51 PM

11. Yes!

If it gets ugly, call one of these numbers:
The Election Protection Hotline: 1-866-OUR-VOTE or 1-888-VE-Y-VOTA (en Español)
The U.S. Department of Justice Voting Rights Hotline: 800-253-3931; TTY line 877-267-8971

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_pdf_file/kyr-voterintimidation-v03.pdf

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Response to FM123 (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 12:55 PM

13. Thanks for those numbers.

Personally, I would be more inclined to call 911 first, though. That is a faster way to contact the local authorities, who are the ones who would respond. However, the DOJ also needs to be aware of incidents, for sure. I just doubt that they will respond immediately.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:01 PM

15. Yes. Safety first, call 911 first.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:18 PM

17. Stay safe. Vote.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:18 PM

18. I wouldn't expect to see them at my polling place

even if I hadn't already voted. They might want to intimidate probable Democratic voters but I don't think they'd put in an appearance in my very liberal, mixed but majority white middle-class neighborhood, where the police would be called instantly and might even show up. Although they specifically don't want Black people to vote, they aren't going to venture into urban Black neighborhoods where they know they'd get their asses kicked. I'm not sure where they could go for maximum intimidation effect without the possibility of harm to their own sorry, frightened, tiny-dicked selves.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:19 PM

19. Excellent and appropriate advice!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:24 PM

20. If you see them...

Call the police. Tell them there are people with guns threatening people at the polling place.

DO NOT just walk by and ignore them. REPORT THEM as potential terrorists.

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Response to hurple (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:39 PM

25. That's fine if you witness them making threats or harassing people.

However, simply assembling is not illegal, and open carry of weapons is also legal in many places. Even campaigning is legal outside of the exclusion zone in a jurisdiction. Here in MN, that is 100' from the voting location. The police will not do anything unless actual laws are being broken, so know the laws for your state and local jurisdiction.

Don't cry "Wolf!" unless there is a wolf present. Don't report criminal activity where there are no laws being broken. That's an important thing to remember.

It is fine to just walk past and ignore demonstrators outside of the exclusion zone, if there are no actual threats being made.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 04:59 PM

54. Openly carrying firearms in public

IS a threat.

Treat it as such

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Response to hurple (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 09:19 AM

61. I agree, but it's legal to do that in many states.

As long as they stay 100' from the polling place, at least in most states, the cops won't do anything just because they're carrying firearms. If they're not breaking the law, nothing will happen to them.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:29 PM

21. voted by mail...

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:33 PM

22. +100!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:35 PM

23. There will be lawyers and other officials at the polling places

on our official voting day. They will be watching for mischief and any sort of intimidation. Give them a heads up if you encounter a problem and let them take care of it.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:40 PM

26. There might be, but probably not at every polling place.

The number of polling places nationwide is far too large to have lawyers at every one of them. In reality, the "Scared Boys" are not going to show up at very many polling places. There aren't enough of them to do that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:54 PM

30. Hopefully at least a dem rep at each, but certainly in problem areas.

I’ve done it on occasion for our local party and they provide me with numbers to call for any problems of that sort. Luckily everyone is always kind and responsible. One year the repub rep was a little snooty, but it wasn’t my day to babysit her so I just ignored.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:00 PM

32. I doubt there will be enough people to have someone at every polling place.

COVID-19 and all that. I've never seen party challengers from either side at my precinct's polling place. It's just not productive. People who show up at the polls are almost always legitimate registered voters, or eligible to register on election day.

Besides, those party challengers cannot even speak to the individual voters. They can only challenge a voter, based on personal knowledge that the voter is ineligible in Minnesota. How would they know that? So, they are simply not there, despite being entitled to be there.

In Minnesota only one challenger from each party can be in the room where voting takes place, too.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:09 PM

39. And there is always this:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-do-if-you-encounter-voter-intimidation

Phone number to Election Protection hotline and instructions both in English and Spanish.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:48 PM

27. Thanks, MM....good advice. Here are the laws relating to polling places....

for all states per the National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS):

State Laws on Electioneering Boundaries:

Link to PDF: https://www.nass.org/resources/2018-election-information/electioneering-boundaries

State Laws on Authorized Poll Watchers & Voter Challenges:

Link to PDF: https://www.nass.org/resources/2018-election-information/Poll-Watchers-Voter-Challenges

Those pages clarify who and what is allowed in and around polling places in most states. They even provide reference to the exact statutes that apply to those issues.

Agree that voters must put their mule blinders on and just focus on voting, yet collect photographic evidence where we suspect laws are being broken.

KY

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:49 PM

28. Thanks for those links.

Very useful information in there for voters in every state.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 01:49 PM

29. I'm not gonna worry

When I vote. I'm gonna be aware and if some proud boy does anything with me. I will be on my guard whether it's a death stare or an altercation if they try to block people.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:00 PM

33. Great advice

They are nothing but bullies. Call their bluff and they will back down. Don't engage.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:04 PM

35. Absolute guarantee of cops showing up ...

... tell them your assailants are black ...

... hell, you'll probably get to see a heavily armed armored Humvee klown car ...

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Response to Jopin Klobe (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:05 PM

37. No. Don't lie to the police.

That's a stupid thing to do.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:05 PM

36. I'm going to pass this along

Thanks

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Response to proud patriot (Reply #36)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:05 PM

38. Thanks for doing that!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:10 PM

40. Avoid eye contact with the Maga-nazis if you can

and save yourself from the grief of hearing "WTF are you looking at?" from these trumpists.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:16 PM

41. I can't believe we have to have this conversation... SMDH. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:17 PM

42. Well said.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:18 PM

43. Scared boys is a perfect moniker....

Last edited Sun Oct 18, 2020, 05:02 PM - Edit history (1)

That's exactly what they are. Secondly, I think their impact is being blown way out of proportion. Not that they and their ilk won't show up at a handful of polling places, but that's just it. A handful, because there's only a handful of them. We tend to view them just like the reich wing views Antifa and George Soros. They're not some massive, organized entity. They're a small group of nutters who hook up on the interwebs. There's probably more folks just on DU than the entire Scared Boys universe.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:47 PM

51. I agree completely.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:23 PM

44. GREAT ADVICE! because i really believe

This shit WILL happen in SOME states! Good advice for sure. Agree that 911 is the best way to handle it!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:28 PM

45. Don't give them a chance

There is no excuse for not voting early. If you wait till the last minute you are helping the orange turd and his goons. Vote by mail but don't use the US Postal service. Find legitimate ballot boxes and deposit your ballot there. If you go to a polling station to vote in person in certain red areas you are very likely to be harassed and prevented from voting by right wing goons.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:29 PM

46. How about armed uniformed off duty LEO's?

That’s what the GOP did in black precincts in NJ in 1981. The LEO’s confronted and intimidated voters inside the polling places, suppressing the vote. It went to court, and was settled with a consent decree that expired this year.

So, we should be prepared for that eventuality as well. Hopefully the Biden campaign’s lawyers will be on top of it.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 02:41 PM

47. Your last paragraph is most important. HAVE YOUR PHONE READY SO YOU CAN TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS

OR VIDEO.

What you're actually going to be doing is collecting evidence, and putting it (AND the offenders) on the record.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:01 PM

48. My guess is that the places that most likely will have to worry about

"scared boys" will be PA, MI, and WI.

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Response to Sogo (Reply #48)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:51 PM

53. Yeah, maybe.

Could also happen in the Southern states in some areas.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:13 PM

49. Some states prohibit guns at polling locations

So you could have them arrested for that too.

Six states—Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas—prohibit guns in polling locations.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-call-militia-watch-polling-places-raises-fears-voter-intimidation-1539900

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 03:50 PM

52. The problem there is the word "IN."

They're not going to be inside polling places. They'll be outside, at least 100' away. Their idea is to intimidate people from even coming to the polling places. It's not going to happen in very many places. There just aren't enough of the morons. But it might happen in some locations.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #52)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 05:13 PM

55. They might target suburban swing districts of swing states

but are probably too dumb for that. I hope they stick to red rural areas with like minded people. Urban liberal areas will have the longest lines. Things could get out of hand easily.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 05:34 PM

56. KR. Best advice!!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2020, 11:55 PM

58. wear a shirt w a pocket a little shorter that your phone.

put it on record, w the camera poking out. if you are sneaky enough you can hit the button w/o notice.
they wont even know you are recording them. the worst that can happen is you only get audio.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 12:55 AM

59. I'm thinking of buying my first gun.

I will go to my poling place and just casually stand guard in an unobvious way. Not going to threaten, not going to intimidate. I'm just going to be ready.

No one, NO ONE, is going to mess with Democracy in my world!!

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Response to tormadjax (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 09:17 AM

60. I'd advise against that.

If you're not already familiar with firearms, just owning one will not benefit you. Let the cops handle the "Scared Boys." Don't become part of the problem in an attempt to help solve it.

That's my advice.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #60)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 10:51 AM

62. It just pisses me off to no end

My father and uncles fought WW II and they deserve to have their service honored!

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Response to tormadjax (Reply #62)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 10:59 AM

63. Yes. They do.

However, carrying a firearm should be based on your ability to use it wisely and properly.

It's not something inexperienced people should just do.

So, going out and buying a gun is not the answer, unless you are willing to take the time to learn how to use it. Otherwise it is a very dangerous proposition, indeed. Your father and uncles were trained in the proper use of firearms by the military.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #63)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 12:08 PM

64. But look at this!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/u-s-police-chiefs-grapple-new-election-day-threat-armed-n1243826

U.S. police chiefs grapple with new Election Day threat: Armed men at the polls

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Response to tormadjax (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 01:58 PM

65. Yes, but that situation will not be helped by more people

carrying guns. Personally, I expect to see very, very few such situations on election day. A few, of course, will happen, with some ragtag group of malcontents showing up armed. Not many, though. There are far fewer such groups than many people think. And each group is small in numbers. There are simply not enough disgruntled "militia" people out there to appear at every polling place. Where they do appear, I expect local law enforcement will show up and make their presence known.

However, I think there will be a small number of locations where real conflicts between "militias" and LEOs might occur. I'd avoid those polling places until the conflict is over.

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