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Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:59 AM Sep 2012

Just for the record, I want to get this off my chest.

I am sick of Republicans pretending to not know why blacks tend to favor the Democratic Party, and painting it as if we can't think for ourselves. One day I was in the politics section of Yahoo Answers, and saw a TON of questions by conservatives about this. People kept asking over and over "why do black people hate Republicans?"
Most of us are aware that the GOP is not on our side. President Obama has been repeatedly harassed for his birth certificate unlike past presidents, the Reds have been steady at work with these voter ID laws that subtly target urban areas, and they've blocked the creation of jobs that would've put millions back to work (and unemployment in the AA community happens to be about 15%). They always want to mention the fact that their party was responsible for the slaves being freed.....way back in 1865! There's no comparison between the GOP of the Lincoln Era and today's GOP. Even Eisenhower wouldn't fit in with his 90%+ tax rate on millionaires! The RWers of the Democratic Party jumped ship in the '60s, and today they are with the GOP as a result of the Southern Strategy.

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Just for the record, I want to get this off my chest. (Original Post) Jamaal510 Sep 2012 OP
Antebellum is a mental disease, not an Era . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #1
My Auntie Belle is quite the mental case. She's Republican. Natch. nt valerief Sep 2012 #2
The same can be said for Colonel Angus pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #4
I loved that skit !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #13
Fantastic! Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #29
It is disgusting the many refences to the civil war being made since bush stole the wh in 2000 Dont call me Shirley Sep 2012 #33
Shelby Foote explained it best . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #39
Care to elaborate? ashling Sep 2012 #63
Sure, He talks about it in ' The Civil War ' orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #73
K&R Scuba Sep 2012 #3
Hell, I'm white and I hate Republicans! gateley Sep 2012 #5
I'm white, female AND 65 and I LOATHE the rethugs. DarleenMB Sep 2012 #9
So the common dominator is intelligence. :-) gateley Sep 2012 #11
Yep, and a lack of paranoia at every little noise or something different. RC Sep 2012 #24
Or the ability to smell *ushit at 20 paces Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #51
Obama's been telling that truth since he started this in 2007. freshwest Sep 2012 #64
Yep, that's why Truth Seekers can vote for Obama even if he isn't perfect. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #65
It ties in with the way people didn't want to hear when Jimmy Carter was talking about raccoon Sep 2012 #75
well, that's what got us in the mess in the first place newspeak Sep 2012 #82
I'm white, female, 63, Orthodox Jew and I too loathe the Republicans. nt Betsy Ross Sep 2012 #31
Is this like repub haters anonymous? Cha Sep 2012 #38
What's not to loathe?? ailsagirl Sep 2012 #45
Precisely. Anyone who cares about their country Cha Sep 2012 #53
Quite rightly, cha. If people are still undecided at this juncture... ailsagirl Sep 2012 #60
I'm white, male, 50's and naturalized citizen and I hate repukes also!!! gopiscrap Sep 2012 #58
.. Cha Sep 2012 #61
I'm 58 Flashmann Sep 2012 #77
Me too orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #14
60, 1/4 Cherokee, can't stand RW BS, hope Scott Brown catches a disfiguring disease bigbrother05 Sep 2012 #62
Spot on post brush Sep 2012 #6
Good rant Gman Sep 2012 #7
so IOW's azurnoir Sep 2012 #8
I would be willing to wager... RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #10
I haven't heard a Republican marvel about African American support for Democrats. Barack_America Sep 2012 #12
Allow me: WinkyDink Sep 2012 #16
Sorry, I intended for my post to say "in person"... Barack_America Sep 2012 #18
I have heard republicans do that. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #52
Wouldn't the GOP essentially be a mirror image of the Libertarian Party Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #55
Libertarians, eww. Fiscal policy is the prime social issue, actually. freshwest Sep 2012 #68
Especially excellent points and links, thank you. -nt dougolat Sep 2012 #72
Milton Friedman yardwork Sep 2012 #80
That was a good, yet infuriating read. Jamaal510 Oct 2012 #86
Middle-aged white male here, drm604 Sep 2012 #15
it seems extremely disingenuous barbtries Sep 2012 #17
I couldn't respond because all of the questions were over 4 days old. Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #56
Isnt the answer simple history? Vietnameravet Sep 2012 #19
. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #20
IMO, whites like myself weigh in too much on these matters. randome Sep 2012 #21
Black people tend to be more politically informed B Calm Sep 2012 #22
Thank you, Jamaal510! n/t Jankyn Sep 2012 #23
Funny that the FACT they can't ask a friend, coworker, or neighbor (who's black) ... TahitiNut Sep 2012 #25
If the Internet existed prior to the Civil War, I'm sure slave owners would have asked Yahoo tclambert Sep 2012 #26
awesome rant roguevalley Sep 2012 #27
100th rec for you, Jamaal my sweet Skittles Sep 2012 #28
Great post... Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #30
Ann Coulter was in fact one of the inspirations for this thread. Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #57
I wish the GOP was the Same as it was in the 1860’s coldwaterintheface Sep 2012 #32
I do believe the Native Americans do have a big problem with the giving away Dont call me Shirley Sep 2012 #34
By the time my ancestors got that "free land" nobody was living there. hunter Sep 2012 #54
Don't forget the poor, no matter the heritage or race. Also, back then people believed and trusted jonesgirl Sep 2012 #70
Let’s see a Puke today give away anything. Flashmann Sep 2012 #79
58 year old white male here. airplaneman Sep 2012 #35
They sold their souls in the 50s/60s by opposing civil rights and by USING the "Southern Strategy" NAO Sep 2012 #36
That's some very eloquent Cha Sep 2012 #37
amen MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #40
K&R treestar Sep 2012 #41
I think most of them know full well and are only trying to bait people... harmonicon Sep 2012 #42
It so much seems to me today that the Democratic Party is... mwooldri Sep 2012 #43
Strom Thurman and John Stennis started out as democrats. nt bluestate10 Sep 2012 #50
Of the two major parties The Wizard Sep 2012 #44
The Democratic Party from 1865 to 1954 was the party that harbored racists. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #49
What it all boils down to is that they are jealous most Blacks don't vote Republican Catherine Vincent Sep 2012 #46
After being freed, Blacks that were allowed to vote, voted 100% republican. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #47
i agree with you, bluestate 10 newspeak Sep 2012 #83
K&R!! rury Sep 2012 #48
AND when Southern Black Democrats organized as a powerful block in support of Civil Rights in patrice Sep 2012 #59
Their confusion is deliberately chosen for their convenience. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #66
Conservatives claim it's racist to bring up racism. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #67
Well then enjoy this Ann Coulter whomping. You'd ahem love her new book DebJ Sep 2012 #69
kr Norrin Radd Sep 2012 #71
Make no mistake rogrot Sep 2012 #74
It's telling they accuse others of identity politics DirkGently Sep 2012 #76
From what I understand, Ike had no real interest in civil rights for... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #78
voter ID laws that subtly target urban areas? HarveyDarkey Sep 2012 #81
Maybe they should flip that question around. Iris Sep 2012 #84
My ancestor was a Liberal Republican flamingdem Sep 2012 #85

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
33. It is disgusting the many refences to the civil war being made since bush stole the wh in 2000
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:01 PM
Sep 2012

ie, Lady Antebellum and others.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
73. Sure, He talks about it in ' The Civil War '
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:37 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 07:49 AM - Edit history (2)

How a Southerner views the Civil war as a defeat and not the way the rest of the world sees it as the thing that truly made us the United States of America, besides losing loved ones in battle, Life for a person in the north didn't change much, the same could not be said for the south. William Falkner's ' The Sound and the Fury ' is a novel he used to describe the despair and loss of identity, along with the haunting regret of defeat. That's how Kkkarl & ShrubCo won, blaming Liberals for our nation being eroded by acceptance of Multi-racial , sexual , religious life styles , making it patriotic to be a racist, homophobic Fundie, who sucks up to the wealthy while looking down on the poor, and then bitch's about the extinction of the middle class. I don't know if that's elaborate enough ,but one more. I live in upstate NY , now if I see a person with Alabama license plates and also has a Confederate flag of some form somewhere on his car I figure he's proud of the south, If I see that same flag on a car from NY, I instantly figure he's a racist and anyone from my hometown that does I know they ARE. So what I mean is proximity to the south has nothing to do with Antebellum as it is not an era or area but a mental disease.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
51. Or the ability to smell *ushit at 20 paces
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:44 PM
Sep 2012

People who would rather have someone honestly tell them, the situation is bad and everyone has to do their fair share than have all these explanations of why everything is fine for the 1% so the rest of you are crazy, can smell a dirty politician miles away.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
64. Obama's been telling that truth since he started this in 2007.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:46 AM
Sep 2012

The Repukes wanted magic, get rich quick scams instead of doing hard work and making it happen.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
65. Yep, that's why Truth Seekers can vote for Obama even if he isn't perfect.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:56 AM
Sep 2012

He hasn't done everything he said he was going to, but there are legitimate reasons why. Still think he's someone we can work with vs someone who will work us over.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
75. It ties in with the way people didn't want to hear when Jimmy Carter was talking about
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:49 AM
Sep 2012

cutting back on our energy use,cutting down thermostats and so on.

Many people wanted to hear Reagan crowing, "Morning in America!" and proclaiming that we could be just as profligate with energy as we had been when it was cheap.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
82. well, that's what got us in the mess in the first place
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sep 2012

good old WS just loves to gamble on the country (deregulation). Nothing like creating the economic nightmare and then betting on the misery of the american people.

it's nice to make money out of creating fantasies and cons while the rest of us have to labor for every damn dollar. Oh, and don't forget the little club of connections.

some duers knew with little boots, especially during the second nightmarish term, he was creating an economic nightmare for most of the american people. Of course, his friends and loyal corporations were doing just fine. and to this day, I still wonder if it was intentional.

After all, you create the problem, then you offer the solution (the solution you've been eager to give); like privatizing social security, cutting the social safety net, decrease regulations, break labor.

Cha

(297,207 posts)
38. Is this like repub haters anonymous?
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:05 PM
Sep 2012
Okay.. I'm 68, Scotch-Irish and I think the teabagger-recons are a cancer on America.

Cha

(297,207 posts)
53. Precisely. Anyone who cares about their country
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012

and has a brain..knows who the enemy is. Not just any enemy.. those who would cheat, steal, lie and trample on We The People's Rights!

ailsagirl

(22,896 posts)
60. Quite rightly, cha. If people are still undecided at this juncture...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sep 2012

there's little hope they'll come around.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
77. I'm 58
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:35 AM
Sep 2012

Mostly white....My Grandma on my Moms side was a full blooded Shawnee.Blond haired,blue eyed German,(I'm not),on my Dads side.....I started hating rethugs,with a white hot passion,since as a 6-7 year old I first saw Nixon on TV.Through the years,as I learned more about the peculiar ideology these assfucks espouse,my hate for them has grown exponetially....The teabags are WAY worse...

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
62. 60, 1/4 Cherokee, can't stand RW BS, hope Scott Brown catches a disfiguring disease
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:52 PM
Sep 2012

The last four years, especially the last six months, have confirmed the worst possible suspicions of the true beliefs on the Right.

brush

(53,776 posts)
6. Spot on post
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 12:28 PM
Sep 2012

You nailed it, Jamaal510. The African American community is not stupid (Romney is polling 0% support among blacks). The actions of the repugs have been decidedly anti-black for quite sometime now and can be traced to when the dixiecrats left the Democratic party en masse in 1964 when President Johnson signed anti-discrimination laws and allowed the seating of Fannie Lou Hamer's Freedom Democratic Party at the 1964 Democratic National Convention over the dixiecrats objections. Those dixiecrats helped move the repug party decidedly to the right and away from support for civil rights and minorities. The repugs are also persona non grata in much of the Latino America community as well as the repug party of today wouldn't even agree with Lincoln's policies.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
10. I would be willing to wager...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:18 PM
Sep 2012

...that those people who ask over and over "why do black people hate Republicans?" do not know any black people. And they probably don't want to either.

Just a guess...

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
12. I haven't heard a Republican marvel about African American support for Democrats.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

But if I did I'd be tempted to laugh in their face.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
18. Sorry, I intended for my post to say "in person"...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:01 PM
Sep 2012

...rather than to make it sound like I doubted Republicans actually think that way. I've clearly heard the sociopaths they send out in the media make that claim.

In real-life I try to listen to people's political thoughts without prejudice, but if the idea were ever presented to me in person that blacks have no reason not to support Republicans, I'd probably have to laugh in their face.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
52. I have heard republicans do that.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:45 PM
Sep 2012

Republicans just don't get it. If republicans started today by throwing racists and intolerant people out of their party, but maintaining otherwise conservative principles on spending and the military, they will lose the next couple of elections, but avoid extinction. It would then become a principled party that could rival the democratic party.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
55. Wouldn't the GOP essentially be a mirror image of the Libertarian Party
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:54 PM
Sep 2012

if they did that? I heard that the LP is fiscally conservative, but more liberal on social issues.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
68. Libertarians, eww. Fiscal policy is the prime social issue, actually.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:19 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:49 PM - Edit history (1)

It's not talking just about being efficient in the government, because they want to get rid of all the things government does to uplift those who have been disadvantaged by the oppressors in the private sector. They want to be free of government telling them they can't discriminate, can't pollute, can't make their money anyway they want and the devil take the hindmost.

Charles Koch ran on the Libertarian Party ticket for POTUS as well as Ron Paul. The Koch family founded the John Birch Society, part of the racist patriot movement.

Libertarianism is the philosophy of Rush, Ryan, Romney and Teabaggers. They hate all liberals as their idol Ayn Rand did.

George Monbiot wrote how conservatives have elminated liberal libertarian beliefs is below. Give it a read and think about it. It helped me enunciate what I believe as a liberal in their language, which is all we hear on media:

How Freedom Became Tyranny


Rightwing libertarians have turned “freedom” into an excuse for greed and exploitation.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 20th December 2011

Freedom: who could object? Yet this word is now used to justify a thousand forms of exploitation. Throughout the rightwing press and blogosphere, among thinktanks and governments, the word excuses every assault on the lives of the poor, every form of inequality and intrusion to which the 1% subject us. How did libertarianism, once a noble impulse, become synonymous with injustice?

In the name of freedom – freedom from regulation – the banks were permitted to wreck the economy. In the name of freedom, taxes for the super-rich are cut. In the name of freedom, companies lobby to drop the minimum wage and raise working hours. In the same cause, US insurers lobby Congress to thwart effective public healthcare; the government rips up our planning laws; big business trashes the biosphere. This is the freedom of the powerful to exploit the weak, the rich to exploit the poor.

Right-wing libertarianism recognises few legitimate constraints on the power to act, regardless of the impact on the lives of others. In the UK it is forcefully promoted by groups like the TaxPayers’ Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs and Policy Exchange(2). Their conception of freedom looks to me like nothing but a justification for greed.

So why have we been been so slow to challenge this concept of liberty? I believe that one of the reasons is as follows. The great political conflict of our age – between neocons and the millionaires and corporations they support on one side and social justice campaigners and environmentalists on the other – has been mischaracterised as a clash between negative and positive freedoms.


He goes into examples to explain this at the link:

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/12/19/how-freedom-became-tyranny/

I say further, in looking in libertarianism, that as the end result is privatization or corporatism, it is the pretty face of the the first step to total fascist rule as defined by Mussolini and warned about by President Roosevelt. It is the GOP plan. Another person who has spoken against them is Van Jones who has since gone into other realms.



Van Jones spoke the truth and was savaged by the radfcal right. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck until he became a distraction to what he was trying to do in the Obama administration.

Van Jones: Libertarianism Would Spit in the Face of Dr. King

Former White House adviser Van Jones on Monday defended recent remarks he made against "so-called libertarians" by saying, "I think we have to start punching back."

In a March speech to the Occupy movement in Los Angeles, Jones had called libertarianism a "despicable ideology."

"They say they’re Patriots but they hate everybody in America who looks like us," the former Green Jobs czar explained. "They say they love America but they hate the people, the brown folk, the gays, the lesbians, the people with piercings, ya know ya’ll."

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/van-jones-libertarianism-would-spit-face-dr-

He hasn't gotten a fair interview as the media has pretty much blackballed him since then. But then, we don't have a 'liberal' media when we see such as Rush, Hannity, Beck and others being paid millions every year to fight us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones





yardwork

(61,608 posts)
80. Milton Friedman
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:00 AM
Sep 2012

Chicago School of Economics. Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Start an OP on your post! Very important info. Thank you for posting.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
86. That was a good, yet infuriating read.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:38 PM
Oct 2012

It sounded like libertarianism is pretty much a justification for bigotry and greed.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
15. Middle-aged white male here,
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:42 PM
Sep 2012

and I agree 100% with everything you've said.

They love to pretend ignorance about things that they damned well know the answer too. Their whole party is one big con game where they go around pretending they care about minorities and the poor and unemployed. Part of that charade is to go around saying "Why don't they like us? We're trying to help them!".

It makes me sick seeing people who are so full of shit and who KNOW that they are full of shit.

That secret video of Romney revealed how they really talk among themselves, and to be honest, being a middle-aged white male in a white-collar position, I've had people say similar things to me assuming that I'd agree.

barbtries

(28,793 posts)
17. it seems extremely disingenuous
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 02:54 PM
Sep 2012

of republicans to ask that. i hope you put your response on yahoo also, because it's well stated and not something they can deny.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
56. I couldn't respond because all of the questions were over 4 days old.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:56 PM
Sep 2012

YA only allows about 4 days to answer questions.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
19. Isnt the answer simple history?
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:21 PM
Sep 2012

I'm sure most of you know the history but just in case there are some who do not, let me briefly summarize.

It is true that the party of Abraham Lincoln, the Republicans, was the party that ultimately freed the slaves. It is also true that Democrats were the party of what was called "Popular Sovereignty", which essentially meant that it was up to the citizens of each state to decide whether or not they wanted slavery. It sounds very democratic to a nation torn by strife but Lincoln pointed out that there are some rights which cannot be taken away by popular vote.

Angry over the loss of their "peculiar" institution, as they liked to call slavery, the South remained solidly Democratic for 100 years. It all changed in 1965 when Pres. Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, past the Civil Rights Act of 1965 which put an end to legalized discrimination in the South. At that instant, the southern Democrats, commonly known as Dixiecrat's, left the Democratic Party and joined the Republicans and the South has remained solidly Republican ever since. Try telling me racial animosity had nothing to do with that switch and the current Southern loyalty to the Republicans?

Republicans like to spin this point as well by saying that a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act than did the Democrats. But they forget to mention the rest of the story, which is that nearly all of those Democrats that voted against the law left the party and joined Republicans where they have remained ever since.

When Richard Nixon became president after Johnson, he hit upon what was called the Southern Strategy which was very simply this; get as many black people as possible to register as Democrats and that would drive the racist Southerners into the arms of the Republican Party.

Today the history continues with Republicans and the conservative allies being in the forefront of all the hate, lies, rumors, charges and vicious accusations against Pres. Obama. Are we to look at history and say racism is not part of all this?

Now of course they will deny they are racist but although it is no longer fashionable to be openly racist the feelings are still there as evidenced by their eager willingness to spread any rumor and believe any lie about Pres. Obama.

You can explain it to them this way, but in view of their underlying motives for believing what they do I sincerely doubt they will listen.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
21. IMO, whites like myself weigh in too much on these matters.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:27 PM
Sep 2012

I mean, in most cases, it shouldn't and it doesn't matter where truth comes from. But does it seem like most of the analyses you mention come from whites and not blacks? And is that, I don't know, problematic?

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
25. Funny that the FACT they can't ask a friend, coworker, or neighbor (who's black) ...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:52 PM
Sep 2012

... just doesn't seem to give them even the slightest hint.

Its a little like the MittWit sending his wife as some kind of "ambassador" to bring back intel on "women's issues."


tclambert

(11,085 posts)
26. If the Internet existed prior to the Civil War, I'm sure slave owners would have asked Yahoo
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 06:14 PM
Sep 2012

why the darkies don't appreciate slavery more.

 

coldwaterintheface

(137 posts)
32. I wish the GOP was the Same as it was in the 1860’s
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:26 PM
Sep 2012

Lincoln was a socialist; he gave away Free Land to any who wanted it out west.

Let’s see a Puke today give away anything.

The Pubs of the 1860’s also knew how to deal with the ’southern’ problem too.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
34. I do believe the Native Americans do have a big problem with the giving away
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:08 PM
Sep 2012

of the lands they lived on for thousands of years.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
54. By the time my ancestors got that "free land" nobody was living there.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012


I don't think people comprehend the genocide.

The diseases of the Europeans killed huge numbers of native Americans, and the racist's guns killed many of the rest.

When my mom's ancestors escaped Europe and established their homestead in the West the land had been uninhabited for decades.

Obviously first Americans had cherished this land for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years. As a kid I could still find arrowheads and other evidence of their presence, but the people who made them were gone, and their very few descendants relocated to less hospitable places.

There's no obvious way to make this right. For the descendants of native Americans and African slaves our society hasn't gone far enough. There are too many communities of Native Americans and Africans living in poverty that is a direct consequence of this vile racism and exploitation. Our nation does have the resources to repair these communities, but we don't. It seems we'd rather build useless aircraft carriers and other military machines, or blame the victims, than fix what is broke.

jonesgirl

(157 posts)
70. Don't forget the poor, no matter the heritage or race. Also, back then people believed and trusted
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:32 AM
Sep 2012

what "higher uppers" and the rich folk told them, and especially the word of an elected official. They didn't dare question authority.
I refer to "they" as being ALL the races of the poor.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
79. Let’s see a Puke today give away anything.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:51 AM
Sep 2012

Ah,but they do,They surely do....And there seems to be an infinite supply of WHAT they give away......Strife and misery...

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
35. 58 year old white male here.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:25 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:36 AM - Edit history (1)

I am disgusted with the clear prejudice of our president.
The level of disrespect and contempt makes me want to puke.
I think todays Republicans have gone simply insane!
They have lost contact with reality.
It frightens the hell out of me what would happen if they came to power.
It is 100% the fault of the republicans that I no longer believe we are of, by and for, the people.
I think Obama is a great president facing unprecedented prejudice and obstruction.
The level of obstruction should be criminal.
-Airplane

NAO

(3,425 posts)
36. They sold their souls in the 50s/60s by opposing civil rights and by USING the "Southern Strategy"
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 08:36 PM
Sep 2012

LBJ knew he was going to lose the south for Dems, but he did what was right.

Radical repubs (they didn't have the tea party back then, but they had the exact same 'tea party types') HATED Eisenhower because he sent troops in to overcome the "massive resistance" to desegregation in Little Rock.

I think part of the reason for the black vote going mostly to Democrats is not even so much historical reasons or even any specific policies, but the fact that TODAY's Republican party has defined itself as the "White" party.

That's also why the Catholic demographic has traditionally been Democratic. Because the Republicans have been the white, EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT party. (tho' I don't know how much the "contraception mandate" is going to shift Catholics to the Republican side)

Cha

(297,207 posts)
37. That's some very eloquent
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:00 PM
Sep 2012

stuff you had on your chest, Jamaal!

Thank you for calling them on their shit!

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
42. I think most of them know full well and are only trying to bait people...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:21 PM
Sep 2012

into confronting them about their racism and racist policies. When confronted by it, they can then act shocked: "Me?! Racist?! Well, I never!!" and then they feel like they've taken the high ground while their accusers have resorted to "name calling." Of course it's not name calling when it's completely true.

I was honestly deluded about how racist the US is until the last election. I understood that it was a problem, but thought it was really just a small problem compared to what it was when I was a little kid in the 70's and 80's. I now think it's one of the greatest problems our country faces.

What's so crazy is that we can't even seem to discuss it. Pointing out that the majority of poor whites who vote for Republicans do so because of racism just isn't done.

All of this shit is like people questioning why a boat is filling with water while no one mentions that there's a giant fucking hole in the boat.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
43. It so much seems to me today that the Democratic Party is...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:27 PM
Sep 2012

either composed of a) liberals, b) moderates and pragmatists, or c) conservatives.

So what does the Republican Party have? a) people who have identified as Republican all their life and sticking that way, and b) people who are IMO just crazy. And I'm the one with the mental illness diagnosis?

When I am reading stories that are stating that Barack Obama is a conservative, a Tory... stuff like that, then if things go on the way they are we in America might effectively end up as a One Party State.

Too true about the so-called "right wing" (or should I say "racist wing"?) of the Democratic Party switching to the Repukes in the 60s and 70s. That's one reason North Carolina ended up with Senator No. He was the first directly elected Republican Senator in North Carolina. Yet he started out as a Democrat.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
44. Of the two major parties
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 09:48 PM
Sep 2012

which is more inclined to draw support from the Ku Klux Klan?
The Repubes always like to bring up Robert Byrd in 1948. Byrd renounced the Klan shortly after getting elected to Congress. Getting elected in West Virginia in 48 meant being in the Klan.
And where did Ronald Reagan kick off his presidential campaign? It was the town of Philadelphia, Mississippi where three young civil rights workers were murdered by the Klan and buried in a mud dam for the offense of registering black voters.
Today's Republicans can easily be called the Konservative Kristian Kouncil.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
49. The Democratic Party from 1865 to 1954 was the party that harbored racists.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

Even the great FDR didn't do much to change that because he needed the support of southern Senators and House members to get his New Deal policies enacted, Blacks having few rights was a small price to pay for that. Harry Truman turned the Democratic Party in the direction that it continued in under Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and now Obama.

BTW. Robert Byrd was a product of his time. To make it in politics in the south, a person had to be an outright racist or pretend to be one. There were many brave white southerners that fought that trend, but they did so quietly, assisting Blacks as Blacks fought for fundamental rights that no one should have to fight for.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
47. After being freed, Blacks that were allowed to vote, voted 100% republican.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 10:26 PM
Sep 2012

That pattern continued right up into the New Deal and through the New Deal. The pattern didn't really start to change until Truman integrated the Armed Forces and started school integration after the Brown decision. Nixon in 1960 got something like 70% of the Black vote. Blacks illustrate a truism, threaten people, they won't support you. If republicans want more Blacks voting for that party, the republican party has to dump the large racist element in it and stop threatening Blacks and Hispanics with it's policies and activities.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
83. i agree with you, bluestate 10
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:02 AM
Sep 2012

during the new deal, eleanor roosevelt was a very vocal supporter for african americans. and truman, another D, integrated the armed forces. yes, it goes back before LBJ.

some repugs have a mindset of the "good old days." I'm still wondering if it's the "good old days" of before the civil war or the "good old days" of the robber barons or both?

when "those" people were kept in their place.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
59. AND when Southern Black Democrats organized as a powerful block in support of Civil Rights in
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:10 PM
Sep 2012

'50s & '60s, racist Democrats, Jesse Helms & Strom Thurmond, LEFT the Democratic party, because they couldn't abide the rise of Black Democrats. Helms & Thurmond and some lesser lights became Republicans and subsequently the heart of Nixon's Southern Strategy and helped Nixon double-cross big labor, turning them, with the help of Republican Southern Strategists, against Hispanic farm-workers, women, and Blacks.

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
66. Their confusion is deliberately chosen for their convenience.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:21 AM
Sep 2012

That is, it would be extremely awkward for them to acknowledge their awareness of -- and complicitly in -- the raging bigotry in the GOP, so they pretend to be mystified and hope the low-info voters can't figure it out.

The technique is elaborated more fully here.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
67. Conservatives claim it's racist to bring up racism.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:44 AM
Sep 2012

Everybody is supposed to shut up about it.

We're all supposed to feel uncomfortable about it, no made what color you are.

What I find hollow is when someone says they can't help it because that's how were raised. What's worse is when someone makes like it's a tradition that needs to be persevered, or that life was better back when it was open.

You don't solve something this basic about society by claiming it doesn't exist.

 

rogrot

(57 posts)
74. Make no mistake
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 08:35 AM
Sep 2012

America has evolved beyond being Christian White Male and we're the better for it. The sooner this is generally accepted, the sooner we'll become great again. Make no mistake, we will become great even if the CWM continues to obstruct--it'll just take a little longer.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
76. It's telling they accuse others of identity politics
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:02 AM
Sep 2012

They get very worked over the notion that black people might support Obama based on his ethnic identity, while basing all of their attacks on "skepticism" about his legitimacy, which is of course grounded in exactly that identity.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
78. From what I understand, Ike had no real interest in civil rights for...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:40 AM
Sep 2012

blacks or anyone else. I've been curious about that since he spent a lot of time cleaning up one infamous bigot's big mess, but he did understand that the law is the law and must be obeyed when it rights a wrong.

Since at least McKinley Republicans have been on the side of the rich and powerful, maybe as a result of being on the winning and profitable side of the Civil War, but, except for the startling appearance of the first Roosevelt, stayed that way. They fought with FDR and supported Hoovervilles over jobs but never seemed to reach that nadir of indecency until Nixon. Taking all those Dixiecrats in with the money guys was the death of decency in Republican party.

I think Nixon tried a little, but never really got it. He went along with a voting rights act and some other good stuff, and oldtimers in the White House say he paced the floor asking "What do Blacks want?" But he never had a black staffer to ask. Or any other black who might have an answer-- just like these guys today. And I don't think for a minute he asked because he cared-- it was just part of the job to keep a large part of the population minimally satisfied and stop rioting. Again, a lot like these guys today who constantly ask the questions but don't want answers. The difference with these guys now is that they not only don't want answers, they want the questions to stir up shit.

BTW, I stopped asking the blacks I know about politics. They had something to say but they were often uncomfortable talking to me about it unless it was campaign or issue related or otherwise impersonal. I assumed it was because they talked among themselves in terms of a shared experience I didn't fit into, but I may never know.

 

HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
81. voter ID laws that subtly target urban areas?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:27 AM
Sep 2012

That's my one small quibble with this, I don't think it's very subtle. I'm a 63 Y/O white male and it seems very blatant to me.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
85. My ancestor was a Liberal Republican
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

and a Colonel in the Union army - but he was also a Universal Unitarian and an abolitionist and a Lincoln supporter and campaigner.

How many Republicans today would be abolitionists or Unitarians?

It's just a name that changed over time to its opposite.

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