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(6,477 posts)bullimiami
(14,075 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(5,752 posts)but a LOT of things went wrong that insured that conclusive evidence was absent. THREE video cameras on the fritz?
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)All three camera suddenly not working and the guards on break? And Barr visited the facility a couple of days before.
Yeah, sure. It was all on the up and up.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Epstein had a strong motive to commit suicide, and the means to buy off people assigned to prevent him.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or a boy band gif?
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)The 2 guards were asleep and the camera monitoring a suicide watch room was conveniently broken.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)Thought that. Why did Barr visit him so many times!
Beachnutt
(8,909 posts)look it up.
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,391 posts)Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)Surely, he had the goods on Trump and others.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)Zero chance he killed himself, zero.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)Many people with enormous resources benefitted from his death.
And, as they say: Coincidences take a lot of planning.
PSPS
(15,321 posts)
Child molesters almost always kill themselves when they know their secrets will be revealed. That is all.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... that is all.
brush
(61,033 posts)sweetheart deal in Florida where he spent the days doing what he pleased and the nights in jail.
His activities were no secret.
elevator
(415 posts)And Michael Baden said his death was murder.
localroger
(3,782 posts)Epstein was beyond that. He had enough influence, both in money and kompromat, to be immune from the usual fate of sex offenders as he had well proven by the cushy situation that emerged from him in Florida. And he had every expectation of being able to do it again. He was killed on behalf of one of the many even more powerful people who stood to lose even more than Epstein had ever had if their secrets were revealed.
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)when we have a new AG under Biden...whether murder or simply negligence.
I VOTED FOR BIDEN!!!
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,125 posts)Silent3
(15,909 posts)As conspiracy theories go, of course, Epstein being killed is way more plausible than, say, flat earth or Qanon bullshit.
And I'd hardly be shocked to find out it was true.
But no one knows. You don't gain any wisdom points, or protective advantage against "them", for jumping the gun and declaring you know what you don't know.
dewsgirl
(14,964 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)dewsgirl
(14,964 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)His life was over and he knew it. Someone might have paid for guards to close their eyes while he killed himself, though.
localroger
(3,782 posts)G went into hiding and even though she's in jail herself now, she may have been a bit more ... tactful about her hold over other powerful people. She had a chance which Epstein didn't after his death to stash secrets in places where they would be revealed upon her untimely demise, an insurance policy Epstein was probably confident he didn't need because of his long history. The people who would want her dead are probably still asking what the odds are of this or that unpleasant result. Epstein thought he was invincible, but after his death G would have known for certain otherwise and probably taken *cough* precautions.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)or at least make the suicide look "possible".
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I mean... it would be irrational and without merit to state a case resting merely on allegation.
Hence, my comfort that you support your allegations with hard data rather than simply alleging a conclusion or reading chicken entrails.
machoneman
(4,128 posts)Squinch
(59,522 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I'd wager a majority of those who think Epstein was murdered believe it was the Clintons who did it.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Maybe for different reasons, but nevertheless. Best left to them.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)An enormous chain of bizarre coincidences which really strains credibility otherwise, added to the fact that he had the goods on a lot of very powerful people.
If this had happened in Russia, everybody would immediately jump to the murder explanation.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)JohnQFunk
(492 posts)Any help would be appreciated.

Sneederbunk
(17,491 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)He committed suicide.
edhopper
(37,370 posts)though no definitive proof.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)Didn't the coroner state that the broken bones in his neck looked like murder rather than suicide?
Plus, there was no high place for him to drop from, IIRC.
Plus all the other reasons: broken cameras, absent suicide watchers.
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)bluestarone
(22,178 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Win or lose, that would be stealing in terms of value
Conspiracy types take probability to outer space and beyond
Kid Berwyn
(24,395 posts)Guy had some good lawyers. Unfortunately, though, on the other side lurks Bill Barr and the ideological spawn of Roy Cohn.

The Ghost of Roy Cohn
BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014
EXCERPT...
In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into Americas secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).
Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a Pedophile Book hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.
I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohns hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilsons modus operandi:
Historically, one of Wilsons Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary
. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh
. A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras
. The technicians in charge of filming
were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office. (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)
According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilsons operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfreys outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfreys outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.
SOURCE:
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Oh dear.
JHB
(38,213 posts)Trailrider1951
(3,581 posts)after his death. I'm really looking forward to hearing what they found, but so far, it appears to have gone down a big black hole somewhere in the Universe.........
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)enough to see what really happened and how bad the information really is.
I see some folks dont seem to care, but I do.
Great point you make, surely there is a lot of info there.