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Epstein was murdered... (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 OP
No he wasn't greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #1
maybe he wasnt, but maybe he was. bullimiami Oct 2020 #3
I would agree with you Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #5
I know, and yet some still insist otherwise...there is a reason they do that. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #10
What's that reason? greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #17
Well that's not rocket science. To get away with murder is why. brush Oct 2020 #24
He could just as easily paid the guards to let him commit suicide. yardwork Oct 2020 #44
Was it caused by social upheaval? LanternWaste Oct 2020 #23
I agree, he was murdered. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #2
I have always True Blue American Oct 2020 #7
WATERBURY SECRETS.... Beachnutt Oct 2020 #4
+1 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2020 #6
He didn't seem like the suicidal type. More the type who would turn everyone else in. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #8
Narcissists dont kill themselves Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #11
Rather, they'll rat out anyone if it serves their purpose. In this case, self preservation. nt Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #13
He had so many plays to make, so much money. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #14
And SO much dirt on so many rich and powerful men Bettie Oct 2020 #42
Aw, Geez PSPS Oct 2020 #9
Almost always... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #22
His secrets had already been revealed before when he got the... brush Oct 2020 #31
LOL. He had no secrets. People knew for years he was a pedophile elevator Oct 2020 #45
That is because they know their lives will be ruined. localroger Oct 2020 #47
We will know all the facts revmclaren Oct 2020 #12
His death was of great benefit to powerful people, & he was in their custody - hmmmm. AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2020 #15
There's no sense acting certain about that which you cannot be certain Silent3 Oct 2020 #16
He was definitely murdered. dewsgirl Oct 2020 #18
You can say that again grantcart Oct 2020 #39
He was definitely murdered. dewsgirl Oct 2020 #19
Trashing: Lazy (and irrelevant) conspiracy theory brooklynite Oct 2020 #20
+1000! nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #55
Don't think so. If he had been, the same folks would have offed Maxell. Hoyt Oct 2020 #21
Not necessarily localroger Oct 2020 #49
Professionals know how to make it look like a suicide TheRealNorth Oct 2020 #25
Yeah, like no cameras working Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #27
Your use of objective evidence to prove a case remains as consistent as always. LanternWaste Oct 2020 #26
Many people say............................................. machoneman Oct 2020 #28
Yep. Squinch Oct 2020 #29
A lot of people who think he was murdered think Clinton did it. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #30
This a favorite of QAnon as well. VOX Oct 2020 #32
It seems the most likely explanation Ron Obvious Oct 2020 #33
Yep. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #35
... but did JFK Jr. do it? Asking for my QHoax-obsessed crazy uncle. JohnQFunk Oct 2020 #34
Or he was allowed to commit suicide. Sneederbunk Oct 2020 #36
Did you pop over from Qanon to post this? KWR65 Oct 2020 #37
I think there are reasons to think that is so edhopper Oct 2020 #38
Wrong forum! Nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #40
I agree. It was almost certainly murder. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #41
Yep...Amazing how many people RUSH to say "oh no, you are wrong" Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #51
YEP bluestarone Oct 2020 #43
I'd love to wager No at Even money Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #46
Why suicide before trial? Kid Berwyn Oct 2020 #48
Lol, you're still on about this? cwydro Oct 2020 #50
Signed: Epstein's mother JHB Oct 2020 #52
You know, the law enforcement authorities searched his home and private island Trailrider1951 Oct 2020 #53
Weird, but Barr is in charge, so not really. I just want to survive the virus long Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #54

Miguelito Loveless

(5,752 posts)
5. I would agree with you
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:17 PM
Oct 2020

but a LOT of things went wrong that insured that conclusive evidence was absent. THREE video cameras on the fritz?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
24. Well that's not rocket science. To get away with murder is why.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:47 PM
Oct 2020

All three camera suddenly not working and the guards on break? And Barr visited the facility a couple of days before.

Yeah, sure. It was all on the up and up.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
44. He could just as easily paid the guards to let him commit suicide.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:34 PM
Oct 2020

Epstein had a strong motive to commit suicide, and the means to buy off people assigned to prevent him.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
2. I agree, he was murdered.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:15 PM
Oct 2020

The 2 guards were asleep and the camera monitoring a suicide watch room was conveniently broken.

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
8. He didn't seem like the suicidal type. More the type who would turn everyone else in.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:18 PM
Oct 2020

Surely, he had the goods on Trump and others.

 

Earthshine2

(4,044 posts)
13. Rather, they'll rat out anyone if it serves their purpose. In this case, self preservation. nt
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:21 PM
Oct 2020

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
42. And SO much dirt on so many rich and powerful men
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:31 PM
Oct 2020

Many people with enormous resources benefitted from his death.

And, as they say: Coincidences take a lot of planning.

PSPS

(15,321 posts)
9. Aw, Geez
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:19 PM
Oct 2020


Child molesters almost always kill themselves when they know their secrets will be revealed. That is all.
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
31. His secrets had already been revealed before when he got the...
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:52 PM
Oct 2020

sweetheart deal in Florida where he spent the days doing what he pleased and the nights in jail.

His activities were no secret.

 

elevator

(415 posts)
45. LOL. He had no secrets. People knew for years he was a pedophile
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:40 PM
Oct 2020

And Michael Baden said his death was murder.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
47. That is because they know their lives will be ruined.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:55 PM
Oct 2020

Epstein was beyond that. He had enough influence, both in money and kompromat, to be immune from the usual fate of sex offenders as he had well proven by the cushy situation that emerged from him in Florida. And he had every expectation of being able to do it again. He was killed on behalf of one of the many even more powerful people who stood to lose even more than Epstein had ever had if their secrets were revealed.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
12. We will know all the facts
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:20 PM
Oct 2020

when we have a new AG under Biden...whether murder or simply negligence.



I VOTED FOR BIDEN!!!

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
16. There's no sense acting certain about that which you cannot be certain
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:26 PM
Oct 2020

As conspiracy theories go, of course, Epstein being killed is way more plausible than, say, flat earth or Qanon bullshit.

And I'd hardly be shocked to find out it was true.

But no one knows. You don't gain any wisdom points, or protective advantage against "them", for jumping the gun and declaring you know what you don't know.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. Don't think so. If he had been, the same folks would have offed Maxell.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:35 PM
Oct 2020

His life was over and he knew it. Someone might have paid for guards to close their eyes while he killed himself, though.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
49. Not necessarily
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:01 PM
Oct 2020

G went into hiding and even though she's in jail herself now, she may have been a bit more ... tactful about her hold over other powerful people. She had a chance which Epstein didn't after his death to stash secrets in places where they would be revealed upon her untimely demise, an insurance policy Epstein was probably confident he didn't need because of his long history. The people who would want her dead are probably still asking what the odds are of this or that unpleasant result. Epstein thought he was invincible, but after his death G would have known for certain otherwise and probably taken *cough* precautions.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
25. Professionals know how to make it look like a suicide
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:48 PM
Oct 2020

or at least make the suicide look "possible".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Your use of objective evidence to prove a case remains as consistent as always.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:49 PM
Oct 2020

I mean... it would be irrational and without merit to state a case resting merely on allegation.

Hence, my comfort that you support your allegations with hard data rather than simply alleging a conclusion or reading chicken entrails.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
30. A lot of people who think he was murdered think Clinton did it.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:51 PM
Oct 2020

I'd wager a majority of those who think Epstein was murdered believe it was the Clintons who did it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
32. This a favorite of QAnon as well.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:54 PM
Oct 2020

Maybe for different reasons, but nevertheless. Best left to them.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
33. It seems the most likely explanation
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:00 PM
Oct 2020

An enormous chain of bizarre coincidences which really strains credibility otherwise, added to the fact that he had the goods on a lot of very powerful people.

If this had happened in Russia, everybody would immediately jump to the murder explanation.

JohnQFunk

(492 posts)
34. ... but did JFK Jr. do it? Asking for my QHoax-obsessed crazy uncle.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:01 PM
Oct 2020

Any help would be appreciated.

CaliforniaPeggy

(156,619 posts)
41. I agree. It was almost certainly murder.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:31 PM
Oct 2020

Didn't the coroner state that the broken bones in his neck looked like murder rather than suicide?

Plus, there was no high place for him to drop from, IIRC.

Plus all the other reasons: broken cameras, absent suicide watchers.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
46. I'd love to wager No at Even money
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:43 PM
Oct 2020

Win or lose, that would be stealing in terms of value

Conspiracy types take probability to outer space and beyond

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
48. Why suicide before trial?
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:00 PM
Oct 2020

Guy had some good lawyers. Unfortunately, though, on the other side lurks Bill Barr and the ideological spawn of Roy Cohn.



The Ghost of Roy Cohn

BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014

EXCERPT...

In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into America’s secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).

Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a “Pedophile Book” hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.

I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohn’s hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilson’s modus operandi:

“Historically, one of Wilson’s Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary…. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh…. A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras…. The technicians in charge of filming… were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office.” (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)

According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilson’s operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfrey’s outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfrey’s outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.

SOURCE:

https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/

Trailrider1951

(3,581 posts)
53. You know, the law enforcement authorities searched his home and private island
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:47 PM
Oct 2020

after his death. I'm really looking forward to hearing what they found, but so far, it appears to have gone down a big black hole somewhere in the Universe.........

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
54. Weird, but Barr is in charge, so not really. I just want to survive the virus long
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:49 PM
Oct 2020

enough to see what really happened and how bad the information really is.


I see some folks dont seem to care, but I do.

Great point you make, surely there is a lot of info there.

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