Democrats need to understand that the public does not care about procedure, only results.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

Kevin M. Kruse Retweeted

democrats need to understand that the public does not care about procedure, only results. there are no points for following the rules, no referee that will call foul on the other team. do what you need to do, and campaign on the results.

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[TwilightZone]

1. Some also don't seem to understand that we have to win before we can set the agenda.

Groups already trying to put pressure on Biden to move the agenda before he's even won are rather misguided. We should probably win first.

[dalton99a]

2. No truer words.

[Mike 03]

3. If the public only cares about results

they need to vote sensibly, and that doesn't mean splitting tickets because you want "balance." The new "balance" is gridlock and nothing getting accomplished. And they need to care about the down-ballot and state legislatures.

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. This really is true

[The Magistrate]

5. Indeed, Sir

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to hoist the black flag, spit on his hands, and commence cutting throats."


"Americans love a winner! And hate a loser!"

[genxlib]

6. I'm sorry but I find this thinking a little naive

It has worked for the GOP but, like it or not, I don't think it will work for us. This approach disregards the ability that the GOP has to set the narrative and generate negativity against us.

It sucks that they can do that and we could argue all day about why that is and how to fight it. But until things change, we should be careful in assuming that we can pull off the same kinds of shenanigans.

The best example is the ACA. That was voted in with a procedural work around to avoid the filibuster and it hurt us for a decade. The misinformation campaign kicked in and it was nearly still-born before it ever even went into effect. It birthed the tea-party and we got clobbered in the mid-terms. We are still fighting that battle to keep it alive and not really getting much credit for the good it has done.

It was certainly worth doing and I agree we need to make aggressive advances. But I think it is nonsense to say just-do-it and proclaim victory.

And of course that all assumes that our caucus is progressive enough to do it. I don't believe it is. We are fighting structural disadvantages in the Senate and gerrymandering in the House. Many of our caucus are moderates by design. Again, something we can argue about all day but I am not convinced that we have the votes for big moves. It sucks but that is the price of playing the hand we are dealt.

[bigtree]

7. what Democrats?

...this fucking myth that there's some magic agression that will overcome the Senate republican majority and presidency.

Like they don't want the majority and the presidency just as much as the carpers. This is just another form of gaslighting. Vote.

[Under The Radar]

8. Do traffic laws impede on the freedom of speeders?

There is a purpose for all rules and laws that exist and it is damn hard to get laws on the books to begin with.
Metaphorically- The roads would be incredibly dangerous if there were no speed limits, still very dangerous if speed limits were not enforced and those who ignore the rules drive at high rates of speed and don’t abide by traffic signs or feel that they are in complete control when they are drunk. The laws exist for those who have no regard for others. Yes getting justice on rule breakers is slow and aggravating and there will always be “Cheaters”, that is why the laws were written. But to live in a world where no one abides by the rules is not civilization at all.

[UTUSN]

9. K&R

[crickets]

10. So, Democrats have to be like Republicans to get results?

No thanks.

"the public does not care about procedure" - I disagree and I don't care for someone else pretending to speak for me.
I'm the public. I care about procedure. It's sometimes more difficult and takes longer to do things the way they should be done, especially when there are other people ignoring the rules, but that's no reason for not doing things the right way. Getting everyone to ignore the rules doesn't speed things along so much as it creates more chaos. Again, no thanks.

[JI7]

11. The media is the problem in this

[rusty fender]

12. He is right

Fuck the Repukes! Full speed ahead!

[Caliman73]

13. Whenever someone says something like this, I always ask...

Can you define, "Do what you need to do"?

Are they advocating using the same dirty tricks that Republicans use? Election fraud? Setting up fraudulent collection boxes? Robocalls with false information?

What are we talking about here?

If we "do what you need to do" including breaking the law, violating rules, etc... and are able to win, are we legitimately in power? Do we continue to escalate until it is a free for all?

How would a scenario like this end?