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56% of Americans say they're better off now than in 2016 according to Gallup. WHAT??? (Original Post) BlueStater Oct 2020 OP
Right, Who the fuck did they poll to get this result? elleng Oct 2020 #1
I just don't get this bdamomma Oct 2020 #2
56%!!! ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #6
Sure they are.. Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #3
Personally? I'm better off. Though I don't attribute that to Trump. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #4
Me too sweetloukillbot Oct 2020 #14
This is the critical point... brooklynite Oct 2020 #47
The Obama economy Abnredleg Oct 2020 #5
Good Point ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #8
Same here Abnredleg Oct 2020 #17
I'm retired from the military, dware Oct 2020 #36
Nice Looking Rig ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #39
I picked her up at the Pheonix, AZ Peterbilt facility, dware Oct 2020 #40
Look at the actual question that was asked. Phoenix61 Oct 2020 #7
Right. elleng Oct 2020 #15
You mean this? Bleacher Creature Oct 2020 #18
If you answer yes is it yes I am better off or Phoenix61 Oct 2020 #25
Ahh, that's a good catch. Nice. NT Bleacher Creature Oct 2020 #27
They're not asking the same people who answered 4 years ago FakeNoose Oct 2020 #38
Billionaires and millionaires, obviously. ananda Oct 2020 #9
I will know by Friday exboyfil Oct 2020 #10
Gallup is a farce JDC Oct 2020 #11
B rated by 538 empedocles Oct 2020 #12
In truth genxlib Oct 2020 #13
Well written, genxlib PJMcK Oct 2020 #26
Many people I talk to are better off now. For instance, unitedwethrive Oct 2020 #16
Who are you supporting? trump is a un-American pos rockfordfile Oct 2020 #22
Already voted for Biden, but I'm still doing better economically...because I know that everyone unitedwethrive Oct 2020 #46
That Doesn't Sound "Better Off" Except For Cash Savings ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #41
'Three issues have dominated public discussion this year as the country fell into a pandemic elleng Oct 2020 #19
All day long I see negative threads about polls and other stories Dem2 Oct 2020 #20
Laughable because if true, trump wouldn't be stuck in low 40s beachbumbob Oct 2020 #21
true rockfordfile Oct 2020 #23
If this is replicated in other polls then it could be a problem helpisontheway Oct 2020 #24
Thanks for the feedback. BlueStater Oct 2020 #28
I was unemployed for four months in 2016 Massacure Oct 2020 #29
Everyone in the right-wing media bubble was told how terrible the Obama economy was. betsuni Oct 2020 #30
I'm personally better off as far as my business, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #31
Most people I know are better off hack89 Oct 2020 #32
bullshit poll gallup. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #33
BULLSHIT budkin Oct 2020 #34
only 32 per cent of Americans now believe they are better off financially BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #35
I was until Covid Polybius Oct 2020 #37
i'm better off, got a promotion and raise, but that was my own hard work. nothing to do with drumpf Takket Oct 2020 #42
We are financially better off, too. Raise and promotion. Blaukraut Oct 2020 #43
As climate change accelerates, 100% are worse off. Kaleva Oct 2020 #44
Financially, I'm certainly better off today than in 2016. Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #45
Sounds about right. Amishman Oct 2020 #48
I would have to know the exact question before I can answer. marie999 Oct 2020 #49

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
2. I just don't get this
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:07 PM
Oct 2020

at all, he's burning the country down. Who are the 56%?? Fucked up that is for sure.

This is not the first time I heard this.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
6. 56%!!!
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:10 PM
Oct 2020

But, only 42% are going to vote for PINO?
I have serious questions as to how the question was really framed, and need to know the demographics of the respondents.
The polls are in conflict.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. Personally? I'm better off. Though I don't attribute that to Trump.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:08 PM
Oct 2020

The only area I'm not better off in is that I had a job lined up in Chicago that I was only able to do for a month before heading back home due to COVID. But I was able to climb the career ladder at my job the last few years and received a promotion in May. It has nothing to do with Trump, of course, but I am technically better off than I was at this point in 2016.

sweetloukillbot

(11,009 posts)
14. Me too
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:15 PM
Oct 2020

I got a good promotion, my job is still going strong and I have the luxury of working from home. But I don’t think about just myself so I don’t use that as my deciding factor.

brooklynite

(94,519 posts)
47. This is the critical point...
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:39 PM
Oct 2020

People forget that, in the depths of the Great Depression, 70 PERCENT of Americans still had jobs. Was it an unfathomable crisis for the other 30%? Yes. But it wasn't FOR MOST PEOPLE.

People tend to associate "Am I better off" with their job security, their salary, and their investments. And MOST people (the survey does say close to half) feel that this applies to them.

Abnredleg

(669 posts)
5. The Obama economy
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:08 PM
Oct 2020

Was still going strong up until the pandemic hit. Jobs were created and the stock market did well.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
8. Good Point
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:12 PM
Oct 2020

And, I'm better off! I retired and actually make more money than when I was working.
But, PINO had NOTHING to do with that.

dware

(12,369 posts)
36. I'm retired from the military,
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:11 PM
Oct 2020

but I own my own trucking company consisting of 1 truck, and I actually am better off what with trying to keep stores stocked up.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
39. Nice Looking Rig
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:17 PM
Oct 2020

My dad drove a semi, but he wasn't OTR.
He delivered milk to the supermarkets, (7 of them) so he was home each evening.
He didn't have a sleeper. I think his tractors were always IH, but I might be recalling that wrong. Talking 60-80s.

dware

(12,369 posts)
40. I picked her up at the Pheonix, AZ Peterbilt facility,
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:20 PM
Oct 2020

as soon as I saw her, I knew she was the truck for me, named her Lucille, and me and my Chihuahua are now road warriors and we love the nomadic lifestyle.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
7. Look at the actual question that was asked.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:10 PM
Oct 2020

It’s not the statement at the top of the poll. I can see how some might not understand how to answer it.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
18. You mean this?
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:21 PM
Oct 2020

"I'd like you to compare your situation today with what it was four years ago. Are you better off than you were four years ago, or not?"

I'm not sure I follow the confusion.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
25. If you answer yes is it yes I am better off or
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:29 PM
Oct 2020

yes to the “or not.” It’s a sloppy question which makes me think they are trying to get a specific answer.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
38. They're not asking the same people who answered 4 years ago
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:16 PM
Oct 2020

So in other words, the question is meaningless.





exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. I will know by Friday
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:14 PM
Oct 2020

That is when the announcement of the last round of rightsizing will occur. If I keep my job, then I will be better off than four years ago (since at that time my youngest was still in college - she has now been working for 3+ years).

Given this has been a year of losses (both my trees, both my cars, and my collie mix is on his last legs), I am still better off. I weigh less and am in better shape. My grandma died right before the last election, but I have not lost any more family members.

My country, on the other hand, is a mess.

JDC

(10,127 posts)
11. Gallup is a farce
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:14 PM
Oct 2020

You can bet that any actual trump supporter would say "yes I am" on their way back from cashing in their unemployment check and shopping with their freshly replenished EBT card.

Thinking you are "Better off" is subjective.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
13. In truth
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:15 PM
Oct 2020

I am better off financially than I was. Growth and lower taxes have left me better off.

And I am a white, middle class cis-gendered male.

So, at face value, things are better.

But that is not how I measure success. My Country and my fellow citizens are in far worse shape and I will vote like I am one of them because I am.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
26. Well written, genxlib
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:31 PM
Oct 2020

I agree and relate to your entire post.

No one is better off if our society is as sick as it has become during Trump's years.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
16. Many people I talk to are better off now. For instance,
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:19 PM
Oct 2020

our family usually takes a couple of big vacations every year (spring break and summer), but this year put that money into savings instead. Our monthly expenses have also gone down with much less spent on gasoline and car expense. The kids extracurriculars usually cost quite a bit, and that has been eliminated as well. We have not eaten out since March, and we used to at least twice a week.

To top it off, I have a part-time job and was laid off from March until August. My salary was made up by the base unemployment insurance AND I received an extra $600 per week from mid-April until the end of July, which totaled over $8K.

I think many people are just not spending, either because of lack of opportunity, or for fear of what may be coming.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
46. Already voted for Biden, but I'm still doing better economically...because I know that everyone
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:35 PM
Oct 2020

is not as fortunate, and I'm happy to vote for the greater good. I was just trying to shed some light on the survey responses.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
41. That Doesn't Sound "Better Off" Except For Cash Savings
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:21 PM
Oct 2020

Your kids aren't getting to be kids.
Those restaurant visits you enjoyed, you can no longer do.
Those vacations you were taking were for YOUR enjoyment, and that is lacking now.
So, while there is some fiscal advantage, I'm not sure what you describe constitutes "better off".

elleng

(130,895 posts)
19. 'Three issues have dominated public discussion this year as the country fell into a pandemic
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:21 PM
Oct 2020

followed by a recession and experienced a seminal moment in race relations after the death of George Floyd in May. As such, candidates' positioning on the economy, race relations and the coronavirus all rank fairly high in importance to Americans' vote this year among 16 issues asked about. Two of these issues -- the coronavirus response and race relations -- show significant gender differences in stated importance. The economy is more of a universal concern.

Women are more likely to be Democrats than Republicans, and thus differences in views on the issues by gender will reflect these underlying partisan distinctions. One way to see past this is to review gender differences within each party group.

Here we do just that, based on Gallup's Sept. 14-28 national poll.'>>>

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
20. All day long I see negative threads about polls and other stories
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:23 PM
Oct 2020

I should have known this would happen I'm sorry I've been posting here

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
24. If this is replicated in other polls then it could be a problem
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:28 PM
Oct 2020

Most people want to stay the course if they are doing better.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
28. Thanks for the feedback.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:32 PM
Oct 2020

Speaking for myself, I don’t feel better off at all. More money isn’t worth living in a world where I have to wear a mask everywhere and feel constant anxiety with every single person around me. Sad how financial gain is the only metric with how many people judge their lives being better off.

Massacure

(7,521 posts)
29. I was unemployed for four months in 2016
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:52 PM
Oct 2020

My response to "Am I better off now than I was in in October 2016" is a no-brainer. I'd probably be even better off now under a Hillary Clinton presidency though.

betsuni

(25,477 posts)
30. Everyone in the right-wing media bubble was told how terrible the Obama economy was.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:03 PM
Oct 2020

Unemployment, deficit, taxes, regulations for businesses all increased, as well as crime and all other bad things. From January 2017, suddenly everything's coming up roses. They were pessimists in 2016 and optimists now.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
31. I'm personally better off as far as my business,
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:05 PM
Oct 2020

but the question is designed to give the impression that it's to MF45's credit. It absolutely is NOT because of him, it is in spite of him and the republicons.

I just happened to get lucky. The businesses I work with stayed open, only about half cancelled our jobs from March-early June, PPP covered the employees who were laid off, things are back to "normal" and a few new customers. Again, that has nothing at all to do with MF45, Moscow Mitch, or any of those pieces of shit.

I'm well aware of how lucky that was. And I'm acutely aware that there is absolutely no security or stability whatsoever. All it would take would be one employee to put us in quarantine, or worse. And the next economic crash could end up with all of our work cancelling.

Personally as far as everything but business, it is also absolute crap. No one feels secure, everyone is ready to go off,

This sure as fuck hasn't "been great".

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
43. We are financially better off, too. Raise and promotion.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:24 PM
Oct 2020

But as others mentioned above - that is not because of Trump.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
45. Financially, I'm certainly better off today than in 2016.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:31 PM
Oct 2020

I've been retired for several years now, and find that I make considerably more $$$ in retirement than I ever did while working. My investments, 401(k), IRA, and individual stocks are doing exceedingly well, and my net worth has increased exponentially since Nov., 2016.

Now, if we're speaking other than financially, I'm NOT happier, I'm NOT healthier, I'm NOT better-looking, and my children and grandchildren are now off living their own lives in other states and countries. My dissatisfaction with tRump and his administration color many aspects of my daily life in areas such as social climate, earth climate, and our standing in the world, and leave me banging my head against hard objects on many a day.

Guess being "better off" depends upon the criteria for describing "better"!

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
48. Sounds about right.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:40 PM
Oct 2020

Steady economic expansion from 2016 to Q2 this year.

I'd say about 1 in 3 directly impacted by covid and the current downturn.

So slightly more than half saying their better off seams reasonable. I probably would say Yes to that as well.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
49. I would have to know the exact question before I can answer.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 06:52 PM
Oct 2020

I am not better off because I am stuck at home and can't go to a restaurant or movie. I am better of financially because I am stuck at home and can't go to a restaurant or a movie. I am better off because my husband's family members don't wear masks so they can't come over.

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