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orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:19 PM Oct 2020

Will Trump shut down the internet when he loses?

Last edited Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:22 PM - Edit history (5)

In my opinion, the lawsuit against Google is an attempt to break the dissemination of factual information in this country.

I can totally see him going all out when he loses, declaring an emergency on some pretext, and shutting down the U.S. web, China style.

His ranting is getting more violent daily, called CNN "dumb bastards", etc..

This is going to be a stressful 2 weeks, I'm afraid.

Here is a WSJ video discussing the subject.






'I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about,” Donald Trump told a reporter in a 2020 Oval Office exchange. One of those powers is his authority to shut down radio, television, both wireless and wired phone networks, and the internet.

An obscure provision tucked at the back of the Communications Act (Sec.706, codified as 47 USC 606) empowers the president to “cause the closing of any station for radio communications” (such as broadcasting or mobile phone networks) as well as “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communications” (such as telephone and internet networks). All that is necessary for the exercise of these huge powers is a “proclamation by the President” of “national emergency” in the case of broadcast stations and mobile phones, or the “interest of the national security” for the internet or telephone networks. The statute also gives the president the power to suspend or amend FCC regulations.

Such authority makes one tremble when considered alongside Donald Trump’s stated belief, “When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total.” His recent threat to social media platforms to “close them down” continues his efforts to use government authority to coerce and manipulate the media."


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"Our best defense is vigilance. As we head into the election of 2020, the House of Representatives should hold hearings to shine the spotlight on presidential powers “people don’t even know about,” including Section 706. Of course, an informed and aware public is the first defense against authoritarian abuse. But also, if we have learned anything from COVID-19 it is the importance of anticipating problems and identifying solutions before they happen."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank/2020/06/25/could-donald-trump-claim-a-national-security-threat-to-shut-down-the-internet/amp/
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Will Trump shut down the internet when he loses? (Original Post) orangecrush Oct 2020 OP
How, exactly, do you think he might do that? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #1
There's a switch. nolabear Oct 2020 #2
Nope. Tubes. MissB Oct 2020 #3
... nolabear Oct 2020 #4
I am a licensed amateur radio operator orangecrush Oct 2020 #21
That is so cool! MissB Oct 2020 #22
Many antique electronic devices orangecrush Oct 2020 #54
Only the 'Inner' ones. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #34
You won't believe this... orangecrush Oct 2020 #44
... The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #7
The hardest I have laughed in a long time. luvs2sing Oct 2020 #9
If this thread made you laugh orangecrush Oct 2020 #25
Just the Young Frankenstein reference. luvs2sing Oct 2020 #26
Have courage orangecrush Oct 2020 #30
Already did. luvs2sing Oct 2020 #33
Thank you very much! orangecrush Oct 2020 #41
... orangecrush Oct 2020 #19
Like this orangecrush Oct 2020 #6
You might want to read that. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #10
O K.. orangecrush Oct 2020 #14
Please read the part orangecrush Oct 2020 #53
He's going to cut the string between the two tin cans. marie999 Oct 2020 #5
Here orangecrush Oct 2020 #11
China doesn't have a first amendment. marie999 Oct 2020 #28
Neither will we orangecrush Oct 2020 #29
Not mirth so much as mocking. LanternWaste Oct 2020 #32
However .. orangecrush Oct 2020 #46
Private companies own it don't they? treestar Oct 2020 #43
True, but... orangecrush Oct 2020 #47
He'll need Al Gore's help malaise Oct 2020 #8
It's built to tunnel around obstacles splat Oct 2020 #12
Yes orangecrush Oct 2020 #17
As a lame duck he won't have the power to do anything meaningful. Binkie The Clown Oct 2020 #13
I sincerely hope orangecrush Oct 2020 #15
How? we can do it Oct 2020 #16
Here orangecrush Oct 2020 #18
...shut down the internet? bearsfootball516 Oct 2020 #20
China has done it regionally orangecrush Oct 2020 #23
What you gonna do when the grid goes down? lunasun Oct 2020 #24
... orangecrush Oct 2020 #27
No more conspiracy theories right now... please!! Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #31
WSJ does not publish conspiracy theories. orangecrush Oct 2020 #37
Can you point to the specific and relevant mechanism of doing this? LanternWaste Oct 2020 #35
From the Wall Street Journal orangecrush Oct 2020 #36
So no specific answers to the questions posed, eh? LanternWaste Oct 2020 #39
Do you remember what happened on election night orangecrush Oct 2020 #40
Dear God in heaven. Do you understand the difference between the internet and a website? LanternWaste Oct 2020 #49
Sorry I took so long, here ya go orangecrush Oct 2020 #45
Nice editorial. Yet still does not specifically address the relevant points. LanternWaste Oct 2020 #48
You are attacking the credibility of the source? orangecrush Oct 2020 #50
To Wit.... orangecrush Oct 2020 #51
I would like to add, Sir, orangecrush Oct 2020 #52
Really silly! Nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #38
I sure hope so. orangecrush Oct 2020 #42
Will DU be the first to know? Hekate Oct 2020 #55
It was during the last election. orangecrush Oct 2020 #56
At least you got the reference! Hekate Oct 2020 #58
I still believe orangecrush Oct 2020 #59
One problem with this piece of tin foil. onenote Oct 2020 #57
WSJ and Brookings Institute are tinfoil? orangecrush Oct 2020 #60
to the extent anyone is suggesting Trump might shut down the Internet, yes. onenote Oct 2020 #62
How would he watch Pornhub? He sure as HELL isn't getting any from Melania Bengus81 Oct 2020 #61

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
21. I am a licensed amateur radio operator
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:33 PM
Oct 2020


Please don't mention breaking tubes, I will not be able to sleep tonight....

MissB

(15,805 posts)
22. That is so cool!
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:36 PM
Oct 2020

When DH and I were first married, we had one of those really old tvs from the 60s. It required a tube. (We were married in the mid-90s).

The tv became a tv stand at some point.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
54. Many antique electronic devices
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:29 PM
Oct 2020

Such as vintage radios, televisions etc., even when non functional, can add to the "period" feel of a room!

Thank you!


TwilightZone

(25,457 posts)
10. You might want to read that.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:26 PM
Oct 2020

Particularly the implementation issues. If you think Trump has an on/off switch for the internet, you might want to do some more research.

China, as your link indicates, shut down access to one region in China, not the entire internet.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. Not mirth so much as mocking.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:52 PM
Oct 2020

At least, mocking from those who realize internet infrastructure in the west is lateral rather than vertical.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
46. However ..
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:17 PM
Oct 2020

I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about,” Donald Trump told a reporter in a 2020 Oval Office exchange. One of those powers is his authority to shut down radio, television, both wireless and wired phone networks, and the internet.

An obscure provision tucked at the back of the Communications Act (Sec.706, codified as 47 USC 606) empowers the president to “cause the closing of any station for radio communications” (such as broadcasting or mobile phone networks) as well as “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communications” (such as telephone and internet networks). All that is necessary for the exercise of these huge powers is a “proclamation by the President” of “national emergency” in the case of broadcast stations and mobile phones, or the “interest of the national security” for the internet or telephone networks. The statute also gives the president the power to suspend or amend FCC regulations.

Such authority makes one tremble when considered alongside Donald Trump’s stated belief, “When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total.” His recent threat to social media platforms to “close them down” continues his efforts to use government authority to coerce and manipulate the media."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank/2020/06/25/could-donald-trump-claim-a-national-security-threat-to-shut-down-the-internet/amp/

Mock away.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
47. True, but...
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:20 PM
Oct 2020


" I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about,” Donald Trump told a reporter in a 2020 Oval Office exchange. One of those powers is his authority to shut down radio, television, both wireless and wired phone networks, and the internet.

An obscure provision tucked at the back of the Communications Act (Sec.706, codified as 47 USC 606) empowers the president to “cause the closing of any station for radio communications” (such as broadcasting or mobile phone networks) as well as “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communications” (such as telephone and internet networks). All that is necessary for the exercise of these huge powers is a “proclamation by the President” of “national emergency” in the case of broadcast stations and mobile phones, or the “interest of the national security” for the internet or telephone networks. The statute also gives the president the power to suspend or amend FCC regulations.

Such authority makes one tremble when considered alongside Donald Trump’s stated belief, “When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total.” His recent threat to social media platforms to “close them down” continues his efforts to use government authority to coerce and manipulate the media."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank/2020/06/25/could-donald-trump-claim-a-national-security-threat-to-shut-down-the-internet/amp/

splat

(2,294 posts)
12. It's built to tunnel around obstacles
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:26 PM
Oct 2020

The Internet has no center. He can't affect it at all. Information wants to be free, tee-hee.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
17. Yes
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:30 PM
Oct 2020

But China did do it.

I hope it doesn't happen, or anything like it.

But in my opinion, we are dealing with a Russian asset who has everything to lose.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
13. As a lame duck he won't have the power to do anything meaningful.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 07:27 PM
Oct 2020

No Republican with half a brain would further their political suicide by backing anything Trump tried to do.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. Can you point to the specific and relevant mechanism of doing this?
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:00 PM
Oct 2020

As there is no singular kill-switch to do this in the US, and as it would require an amalgam of corporate decisions predicated on an unprofitable order from a lame-duck president with zero leverage and even less political capital, your hypothesis then begs the following question:

Precisely how would Trump accomplish this feat of engineering, what specific companies would he force to do so, and what leverage does he have to coerce them into doing so?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. So no specific answers to the questions posed, eh?
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:09 PM
Oct 2020

Hey... I get it. In middle school I was convinced nuclear war would turn us into elves, dwarves and orcs. But then I began to pay attention in my science courses.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. Dear God in heaven. Do you understand the difference between the internet and a website?
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:30 PM
Oct 2020

Do you have any objective experience in engineering? Any relevant knowledge? It seems you're simply throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks as we both observe it sliding down and leaving a mess.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
45. Sorry I took so long, here ya go
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:14 PM
Oct 2020

I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about,” Donald Trump told a reporter in a 2020 Oval Office exchange. One of those powers is his authority to shut down radio, television, both wireless and wired phone networks, and the internet.

An obscure provision tucked at the back of the Communications Act (Sec.706, codified as 47 USC 606) empowers the president to “cause the closing of any station for radio communications” (such as broadcasting or mobile phone networks) as well as “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communications” (such as telephone and internet networks). All that is necessary for the exercise of these huge powers is a “proclamation by the President” of “national emergency” in the case of broadcast stations and mobile phones, or the “interest of the national security” for the internet or telephone networks. The statute also gives the president the power to suspend or amend FCC regulations.

Such authority makes one tremble when considered alongside Donald Trump’s stated belief, “When somebody’s the President of the United States, the authority is total.” His recent threat to social media platforms to “close them down” continues his efforts to use government authority to coerce and manipulate the media."




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/techtank/2020/06/25/could-donald-trump-claim-a-national-security-threat-to-shut-down-the-internet/amp/

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. Nice editorial. Yet still does not specifically address the relevant points.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:28 PM
Oct 2020

He's a lame duck and has no juice to bully these acts through without the specific and relevant conditions existing-- which cannot happen without the capital he DOES NOT have anymore. There is no singular kill switch: delete that fallacy from your brain, it seems a foundation on which you're predicating your entire argument on, and it doesn't even exist in the west.

As a lame duck, he can order it done, but as a lame duck, it simply won't happen. He's out of political leverage... that seems to elude you. Dramatically.

You're creating a problem in your own mind, and frenetically defending its potential against the evidence of objective engineering and infrastructure, relevant political capital, and the pretense that the GOP will remain at his beck and call on Wed 4th when reality tells us as soon as Nov 3rd passes, so does any juice trump has.

But I thank God you're finally attempting to support your argument (with editorial of not actual evidence...) what you should have done in the first place-- as dictated by rational thought.

But we'll see you here on DU on Nov. 4th. and you can conveniently forget you ever prophesized this fiction.

Enjoy... or worry about orcs. Your choice.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
50. You are attacking the credibility of the source?
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:38 PM
Oct 2020

From Wikipedia -

"Brookings states that its staff "represent diverse points of view" and describes itself as non-partisan,[16] and various media outlets have alternately described Brookings as centrist[17] or liberal.[18] An academic analysis of Congressional records from 1993 to 2002 found that Brookings was referred to by conservative politicians almost as frequently as liberal politicians, earning a score of 53 on a 1–100 scale with 100 representing the most liberal score.[19] The same study found Brookings to be the most frequently cited think tank by the U.S. media and politicians.[19]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution



And the article cites the exact act that would enable Trump to do this.

orangecrush

(19,520 posts)
51. To Wit....
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:41 PM
Oct 2020


'An obscure provision tucked at the back of the Communications Act (Sec.706, codified as 47 USC 606) empowers the president to “cause the closing of any station for radio communications” (such as broadcasting or mobile phone networks) as well as “cause the closing of any facility or station for wire communications” (such as telephone and internet networks). All that is necessary for the exercise of these huge powers is a “proclamation by the President” of “national emergency” in the case of broadcast stations and mobile phones, or the “interest of the national security” for the internet or telephone networks. The statute also gives the president the power to suspend or amend FCC regulations."

Hekate

(90,641 posts)
58. At least you got the reference!
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 11:22 PM
Oct 2020

And yes, hopefully we will all be here with Pepe the Frog nowhere in sight.

onenote

(42,690 posts)
57. One problem with this piece of tin foil.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 11:21 PM
Oct 2020

If Trump "shuts down the Internet" he won't have any way of communicating with his supporters.

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