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Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:09 PM Oct 2020

Question about black men voting habits.

I was listening to some tv pundits and pollsters today.
They were saying that black male turnout could be the key to this election in some states.
They said that black females will turn out in huge numbers.
But they said that black males are currently on track for just average turnout.
The reason they gave was that Biden doesn’t inspire black males.
They said that few black males will vote for Trump but many just won’t vote.

Trump got 14% of black male vote in 2016.
Hopefully, it will be much less in 2020.
I just don’t understand how any person of color can vote for such a vile racist.

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Question about black men voting habits. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 OP
Jebus. marble falls Oct 2020 #1
You don't agree with the premise? Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #3
Oh my... PTWB Oct 2020 #2
Why the outrage? Please explain. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #4
Your post comes across as racially insensitive... tone deaf... to put it mildly. PTWB Oct 2020 #6
Quoting pundits? Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #8
I'm sure black women will appreciate you telling them what they "need to do" PTWB Oct 2020 #10
Dear Lord. That's not what I said. I give up. I'm a terrible Democrat. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #14
No you're not, the question is awkward because of the onus placed on women (they're not our mothers) uponit7771 Oct 2020 #16
I will edit the post. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #18
Very nice jpak Oct 2020 #5
Last time I will ask, why is this funny. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #7
Because you have hand party with Pam Ella jpak Oct 2020 #9
I don't know who that is. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #11
Why should we be afraid to ask each other questions? whathehell Oct 2020 #26
I, in no way, meant to insult anyone. Mods please remove post if it did. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #12
Have you tried any research and analysis at all beyond "some tv pundits and pollsters"? LanternWaste Oct 2020 #13
Yes. Here you go. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #17
I'm referring to research and analysis to answer your own question, Professor. LanternWaste Oct 2020 #25
Not a professor but there are lots of articles on subject. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #27
My nephew is on facebook his sister 2 yrs older is on MSNBC, FAUX and CNN. I don't think they're ... uponit7771 Oct 2020 #15
I appreciate your question. OneBro Oct 2020 #19
Thanks. I changed the OP because I didn't want people to think Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #21
I understand your concern tavernier Oct 2020 #20
I agree. I changed it. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #22
You know what I heard on TV? UnderThisLaw Oct 2020 #23
Nope. Popeyes has the best sweet tea ever. I love sweet tea. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #24
How many voted for Obama? Either time? cwydro Oct 2020 #28
I couldn't find black sex breakdown but found overall black vote. Funtatlaguy Oct 2020 #30
Thanks! cwydro Oct 2020 #32
I do not understand what is going on with younger African Americans BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #29
My guess. OneBro Oct 2020 #33
I have no answers for you, my friend. I do have some thoughts.... spicysista Oct 2020 #31
I just ... can't KentuckyWoman Oct 2020 #34

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
8. Quoting pundits?
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:16 PM
Oct 2020

Saying black men need to turn out more for us to win than they did in 2016.
That’s not racist.
That’s true.
We need huge turnout from our base, of which black men belong to.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
16. No you're not, the question is awkward because of the onus placed on women (they're not our mothers)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:24 PM
Oct 2020

... but is well taken seeing the drive towards black males.

I answered your question at bottom

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
11. I don't know who that is.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:19 PM
Oct 2020

I’m a blue dog Dem that works for all Dems and always has.
I study demographic patterns and polls and found what I heard this morning interesting.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
27. Not a professor but there are lots of articles on subject.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:45 PM
Oct 2020

I just included one in the post with two sites.
Biden needs to reach out more to black males.
The “pundits” on tv were saying that Obama could help with this in the closing two days.
I am very hopeful that they will.
We also need more turnout from all of our base.
We must not just beat Trump but humiliate him.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
15. My nephew is on facebook his sister 2 yrs older is on MSNBC, FAUX and CNN. I don't think they're ...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:22 PM
Oct 2020

... reaching young black and Hispanic men were they are out outside of YouTube.

Facebook is a big gating factor in young voting from what I've observed

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
19. I appreciate your question.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:34 PM
Oct 2020

Not because it's a good question, but I assume you are asking in good faith, and I assume you really are an "ole white man" who is no more and no less racist than anyone raised in America. With that in mind . . .

I would not assume black women can explain why some black men don't vote for the same reason that I would not assume that 9 individual black men who don't vote could then explain why the 10th black man doesn't vote. The internet is awash with black people explaining why they don't vote. Most of the explanations leave me scratching my head, angry, shaking my head, stupefied, or a combination thereof. Of course, one must ALWAYS question whether the self-described black person on the internet is actually black, American, or over the age of 9.

As a general rule, pundits/talking heads and pollsters can only tell you what someone else supposedly told them.

Finally, consider this: Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas are the only two black men who have ever been on the US Supreme Court. One was a towering warrior for civil rights and human dignity, the other is effectively Mitch McConnell in a robe.

I appreciate your question because it's always risky - particularly for a white person - to ask about anything related to race. I don't think we can get over race until we are free to ask risky questions, so long as those questions are made in good faith.

Be well.
OneBro

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
21. Thanks. I changed the OP because I didn't want people to think
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:39 PM
Oct 2020

that I think it’s black Womens responsibility’s to get black men to vote.
As a white guy, I’m just trying to understand why any person of color, man or woman, could ever vote for someone as openly racist as Trump.

tavernier

(12,375 posts)
20. I understand your concern
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:37 PM
Oct 2020

But I think your post should be addressed to black men and not their spouses. Perhaps they can give us a better understanding of their position.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
30. I couldn't find black sex breakdown but found overall black vote.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
Oct 2020

Obama got 95% in 2008 and 93% in 2012 of overall black vote.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
32. Thanks!
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:11 PM
Oct 2020

I know black women turned out for that vote. Just have never seen any stats on black men.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
29. I do not understand what is going on with younger African Americans
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:59 PM
Oct 2020

and the fact that some of them do apparently support Trump. I saw it on 538 and couldn't believe it. Trump is bleeding white support compared to 2016--why would he be GAINING black support in 2020, at least among younger blacks? This, during one of the most awful race-relations years in decades (and he's on the white supremacy side!), and during a "let it wash over them" pandemic response that is hitting black people especially hard. It makes zero sense to me.

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
33. My guess.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 01:05 AM
Oct 2020

America intentionally does not teach critical thinking or comprehensive, honest history. Combine that with entertainment “journalism,” and you end up with people unwittingly yet proudly voting against their best interests.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
31. I have no answers for you, my friend. I do have some thoughts....
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:10 PM
Oct 2020

My experiences with black men and politics are pretty limited. My family is very liberal. Even the evangelicals among us (men and women) usually vote democratic with few exceptions.
There are deeper conversations to be had concerning the "hotep" mentality among a small percentage of black men. These are men who seek to take their "rightful places" among white men in patriarchal brotherhood. It may have something to do with their tolerance of dolt45. But again, we are talking about a tiny percentage of black men.
I don't have any concrete answers for you, but I do have some articles for you to consider.

https://thegrio.com/2020/10/15/trump-campaign-targeting-black-male-voters/
From the article:

This push to attract Black male support is connected to two important political historical moments that point to how conservative beliefs among Blacks are ripe for exploitation by the right. One from the distant past and one more recent.

In Reconstruction, the 15th Amendment extended voting rights to Black men, but all women remained disenfranchised. Legally, Black men entered voting booths to register their political preferences. In actuality, that vote was viewed as a proxy for the entire community.

Historian, Elsa Barkley Brown, explains that many decisions were made communally. Public meetings were held where men, women and children participated with the understanding that Black men would represent those views on their ballot. Additionally, as Black men were harassed, beaten and killed by white mobs, Black women served as their armed escorts to the polls.

When Reconstruction ended and African American male suffrage greatly diminished, Barkley Brown found that Black men began to exclude Black women from power in the community. The loss of leadership opportunities in the public domain led Black men to support more conservative gender roles in the private domain.


When they could no longer hold office, be party leaders or govern — all spaces where women were barred — men replicated their male-dominated leadership experience within the Black community by attempting to exclude women from any institutional authority.


https://www.theroot.com/why-a-black-person-would-support-trump-explained-1790854765
From the article:

That’s … interesting. Can you explain why they’d 1) support a person like this and 2) be willing to actually go on national TV to articulate this support?
Sure! It actually harks back to the civil rights movement. The abolition of slavery, too.

Really? How so?

Well, all of those measures—slavery ending, racial discrimination becoming illegal, etc.—are based on one indisputable fact that, unfortunately, is still considered by some to be a disputable fact: We (black people) are human beings with just as much right to our humanity and everything that entails as everyone else.
We can be smart. We can be talented. We can be creative. We can be—and are—anything any other human can be.

This also means we can also be idiots. We can be dumber than a bag of the world’s dumbest rocks. True equality means that we have equal opportunity to be the dumbest motherf—kers who ever lived, too. And the black Trump supporters are just us exercising our basic human rights.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-what-trumps-black-male-supporters-say-they-see-in-him
From the article:
The president, he says, presents an aura of strength that’s more important than the shortcomings his critics focus on.
“He does know how to make money,” says Grant. “He’s not an honest man and he’s not too bright, but he don’t give a fuck. You know what I’m saying? He’s not the most well-spoken but he stands his ground—and that’s part of being a man. He can do that very well.”




I don't think dolt45 will get the same level of support from black men this time. I am not an expert on the topic. At all. I am, however, a black lady.

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