General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRoughly a dozen #GhislaineMaxwell files have been unsealed.
Link to tweet
?s=21
Link to tweet
?s=21
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Roughly a dozen #GhislaineMaxwell files have been unsealed.
Here is the first on the docket, with Virginia Giuffre's counsel alleging she dodged a question "about allegedly 'adult' sexual activity related to Jeffrey Epstein."
Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/7274475-Maxwell-10-22-A.html
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
This is the portion of Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition that prosecutors excerpted in her perjury count.
Read the 465-page file here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)may the chips fall where they may.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)he original PDF is searchable.
Mar-a-lago mentioned 19 times.
Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)Maxwell says that he was not there and it's a complete fabrication that the girl said she saw him there. Also, Clinton and Epstein were not friends.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)said-"he owes me."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-confidant-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-is-unsealed?via=twitter_page
"In a transcript of a phone call with a lawyer, Giuffre claimed Clinton visited Epsteins private isle in the U.S. Virgin Islands. She said the financier, who died in a jailhouse suicide in August 2019, joked about Clinton being beholden to him.
You know, I remember asking Jeffrey whats Bill Clinton doing here [on the island], Giuffre told the lawyer, according to the document. Giuffre claimed Epstein laughed off her question and replied, Well, he owes me a favor.
shrike3
(3,476 posts)I just skimmed the Daily Beast article, and the above anecdote came from Giuffre, not Maxwell.
Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)Said Virginia totally fabricated it, she was there with her.
shrike3
(3,476 posts)I hadn't read that, but believe you.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)shrike3
(3,476 posts)Johnny 2X2X. I had never read Maxwell's comment about the "fabrication," but I believe that Johnny read it somewhere. I'm taking his word for it.
shrike3
(3,476 posts)There are all kinds of things out there. I don't know if what he said was true, but I believe he saw it somewhere. I haven't seen it myself, but will take his word for it.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)or a victim who does not allege sexual contact with Clinton. Clinton took trips with JE. Do you really believe it was just completely innocent? Rich and powerful men think they can get away with this stuff all the time, no matter what party affiliation. And usually they do. I'm not saying Clinton had under-age sex, knowingly or unknowingly, but would it surprise me? No. He had to know what JE was up to. He isn't stupid and he isn't blind. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it was certainly known that JE was a serial pedophile-but I bet they just looked the other way. Which says everything about the status of women, and how they are exploited from an early age.
Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)Maxwell: "Again, Virginia is absolutely totally lying. This is a subject of defamation about Virginia and the lies she has told and one of lies she told was that President Clinton was on the island where I was present. Absolutely 1000 percent that is a flat out total fabrication and lie."
Clinton was not a friend of Epstein's, they did not socialize together. Epstein donated the use of his plane to the Clinton Foundation for a trip to Europe, that's most of Clinton's trips on Epstein's plane. Clinton and his people have denied he was ever on that island, that is proof enough for me and it's backed up her in sworn testimony.
Now Trump on the other hand, there is literal video evidence of he and Epstein together partying and groping girls. There are literal court papers accusing him of raping a young girl at Epstein's NY apartment. Epstein found victims at Trump's private club. And there are literally dozens or hundreds of pics of Epstein and Trump together.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)but I don't believe a word that GM says. As for the flights-
"Clinton shared Epstein's plane with Kellen and Maxwell on at least 11 flights in 2002 and 2003before any of the allegations against them became publicaccording to the pilots' logbooks, which have surfaced in civil litigation surrounding Epstein's crimes. In January 2002, for instance, Clinton, his aide Doug Band, and Clinton's Secret Service detail are listed on a flight from Japan to Hong Kong with Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and two women described only as "Janice" and "Jessica." One month later, records show, Clinton hopped a ride from Miami to Westchester on a flight that also included Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman described only as "one female."
I have not looked through all the records, but it was not just Europe.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html
shrike3
(3,476 posts)I saw something on the news about it; a flight attendant confirmed his presence on one flight. I don't know that there's been confirmation on the island beyond Giuffre.
I have read numerous articles on Epstein's ties to the rich and famous. I think it's impossible that the wealthy crowd in New York did not at least hear about his proclivities.
Although, I have had four male acquaintances who turned out to be sex offenders and or pedophiles. Each time, you could have knocked me over with a feather. I had no idea. OTOH, I just cannot believe that New York society did not know, suspect or at least hear rumors.
Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)None to the island. It's not uncommon for the rich and famous to hitch rides on private jets all the time, this was no different.
Remember, no one has ever accused Bill Clinton of any wrong doing around Epstein, no one. And the conspiracy righties push is that Clinton hid it from the Secret Service either by sneaking off or by having the USSS lie for him, that aint happening, period.
Trump on the other hand was accused of raping a child at Epstein's NYC apartment. And Epstein did in fact find victims are Trump's private club.
And there's multiple videos like this, couldn't you imagine if this was bill Clinton on tape groping young women with Epstein?
shrike3
(3,476 posts)I so wish Bill Clinton would have kept it in his pants. Our lives would be so much easier, IMO. But I have never seen anything which indicates beyond a doubt he was into young girls.
If he were, well, I'd let the chips fall where they may. But I have not seen anything up until this point.
Johnny2X2X
(18,968 posts)There is zero evidence he did anything wrong or was into young girls, there are no accusations even. The fact he cheated on Hillary has nothing to do with this, there is zero hint in his character that he's a sicko like Trump or Epstein.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)on Epstein features the man who set up Epsteins communication systems on the island. He says that he saw Clinton on the island. The man says this on camera. This is confirmation of Giuffres claim.
Jizzlane claims not to know anything about Epsteins sexual proclivities.
shrike3
(3,476 posts)Let the chips fall where they may. If Clinton gets caught up in it, so be it.
certainot
(9,090 posts)who ya gonna believe? clinton, or trump and limbaugh
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)...isn't even the most damning testimony, but I've never seen such tortured syntax in response to repeated simple questions.
Q. = Mccawley, Guiffre's attorney
A: = Maxwell...
So you're testifying that you never observed a female under the age of 18 at Jeffrey Epstein's West Palm Beach home?
MR. PAGLIUCA: I object to form and foundation.
A. I already answered that question, I believe.
Q. You didn't answer my question.
A. I did.
Q. Did you observe a female under the age of 18 at Jeffrey Epstein's home in Palm Beach?
A. Like I said, I work, I don't sit there and watch people coming in and out of the house. I cannot possibly tell you if I'm in the home that somebody was there that I did not see, I cannot comment on it, I have no idea.
Q. Did you observe females at Jeffrey Epstein's home that were laying out topless in the back of the home, in other words without a shirt on?
A. So that's just another of Virginia's lies. So let's be clear, at the time when I was there and present, frequently at the house, it was unusual to see people without their clothes on.
Q. When you say unusual, did you observe people without their clothes at Jeffrey Epstein's home?
A. Can I answer. Sometimes people in the privacy of a house and swimming pool, I have seen people from time to time take their top off. I have seen people from time to time do that. Very unusual. Naked people around the people at any frequent period of time, I have never seen.
I just can't even....