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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:07 AM Oct 2020

Roughly a dozen #GhislaineMaxwell files have been unsealed.


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Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Roughly a dozen #GhislaineMaxwell files have been unsealed.

Here is the first on the docket, with Virginia Giuffre's counsel alleging she dodged a question "about allegedly 'adult' sexual activity related to Jeffrey Epstein."

Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/7274475-Maxwell-10-22-A.html

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
This is the portion of Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition that prosecutors excerpted in her perjury count.

Read the 465-page file here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7274479-Maxwell-Deposition-2016.html
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Roughly a dozen #GhislaineMaxwell files have been unsealed. (Original Post) soothsayer Oct 2020 OP
K&R Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #1
To the Greatest! Roland99 Oct 2020 #2
Mar-a-Lago Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #3
Bill Clinton never on Epstein's island Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #4
In the Daily Beast article, Giuffre claims that he was at the island, and that JE 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #5
It wasn't Maxwell but Virginia Giuffre who said he was at the island shrike3 Oct 2020 #6
Thanks. 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #7
Yes, and Maxwell was there with her and said that was a total fabrication Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #8
Interesting. shrike3 Oct 2020 #9
You believe a serial rapist and trafficker?? 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #11
No, I believe my fellow Duer shrike3 Oct 2020 #13
🤔 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #15
Nothing to be sad about. He says he read about Maxwell making that statement, and I believe him. shrike3 Oct 2020 #16
Well who do you believe? Someone lying to save their ass- 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #10
Yes, I bleieve Clinton Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #12
You are free to believe what you want- 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #14
It's pretty much common knowledge Clinton was on those flights. shrike3 Oct 2020 #18
He was on flights on Esptein's plane Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #19
I'm aware of all this, yes shrike3 Oct 2020 #20
Agree Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #21
The Netflix documentary rusty fender Oct 2020 #23
I'm really not interested in debating this. shrike3 Oct 2020 #24
1500 radio stations have been putting clinton right there in the middle of it - certainot Oct 2020 #17
Page 31. Just... wow. I'm bidding on hip waders on eBay Claire Oh Nette Oct 2020 #22

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
4. Bill Clinton never on Epstein's island
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:51 AM
Oct 2020

Maxwell says that he was not there and it's a complete fabrication that the girl said she saw him there. Also, Clinton and Epstein were not friends.

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
5. In the Daily Beast article, Giuffre claims that he was at the island, and that JE
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:11 AM
Oct 2020

said-"he owes me."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-confidant-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-is-unsealed?via=twitter_page
"In a transcript of a phone call with a lawyer, Giuffre claimed Clinton visited Epstein’s private isle in the U.S. Virgin Islands. She said the financier, who died in a jailhouse suicide in August 2019, joked about Clinton being beholden to him.

“You know, I remember asking Jeffrey what’s Bill Clinton doing here [on the island],” Giuffre told the lawyer, according to the document. Giuffre claimed Epstein laughed off her question and replied, “Well, he owes me a favor.”

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
6. It wasn't Maxwell but Virginia Giuffre who said he was at the island
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:15 AM
Oct 2020

I just skimmed the Daily Beast article, and the above anecdote came from Giuffre, not Maxwell.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
8. Yes, and Maxwell was there with her and said that was a total fabrication
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:29 AM
Oct 2020

Said Virginia totally fabricated it, she was there with her.

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
13. No, I believe my fellow Duer
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:56 AM
Oct 2020


Johnny 2X2X. I had never read Maxwell's comment about the "fabrication," but I believe that Johnny read it somewhere. I'm taking his word for it.

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
16. Nothing to be sad about. He says he read about Maxwell making that statement, and I believe him.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:54 AM
Oct 2020


There are all kinds of things out there. I don't know if what he said was true, but I believe he saw it somewhere. I haven't seen it myself, but will take his word for it.

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
10. Well who do you believe? Someone lying to save their ass-
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:43 AM
Oct 2020

or a victim who does not allege sexual contact with Clinton. Clinton took trips with JE. Do you really believe it was just completely innocent? Rich and powerful men think they can get away with this stuff all the time, no matter what party affiliation. And usually they do. I'm not saying Clinton had under-age sex, knowingly or unknowingly, but would it surprise me? No. He had to know what JE was up to. He isn't stupid and he isn't blind. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it was certainly known that JE was a serial pedophile-but I bet they just looked the other way. Which says everything about the status of women, and how they are exploited from an early age.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
12. Yes, I bleieve Clinton
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:56 AM
Oct 2020

Maxwell: "Again, Virginia is absolutely totally lying. This is a subject of defamation about Virginia and the lies she has told and one of lies she told was that President Clinton was on the island where I was present. Absolutely 1000 percent that is a flat out total fabrication and lie."

Clinton was not a friend of Epstein's, they did not socialize together. Epstein donated the use of his plane to the Clinton Foundation for a trip to Europe, that's most of Clinton's trips on Epstein's plane. Clinton and his people have denied he was ever on that island, that is proof enough for me and it's backed up her in sworn testimony.

Now Trump on the other hand, there is literal video evidence of he and Epstein together partying and groping girls. There are literal court papers accusing him of raping a young girl at Epstein's NY apartment. Epstein found victims at Trump's private club. And there are literally dozens or hundreds of pics of Epstein and Trump together.

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
14. You are free to believe what you want-
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:12 AM
Oct 2020

but I don't believe a word that GM says. As for the flights-

"Clinton shared Epstein's plane with Kellen and Maxwell on at least 11 flights in 2002 and 2003—before any of the allegations against them became public—according to the pilots' logbooks, which have surfaced in civil litigation surrounding Epstein's crimes. In January 2002, for instance, Clinton, his aide Doug Band, and Clinton's Secret Service detail are listed on a flight from Japan to Hong Kong with Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and two women described only as "Janice" and "Jessica." One month later, records show, Clinton hopped a ride from Miami to Westchester on a flight that also included Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman described only as "one female."
I have not looked through all the records, but it was not just Europe.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
18. It's pretty much common knowledge Clinton was on those flights.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:00 PM
Oct 2020

I saw something on the news about it; a flight attendant confirmed his presence on one flight. I don't know that there's been confirmation on the island beyond Giuffre.

I have read numerous articles on Epstein's ties to the rich and famous. I think it's impossible that the wealthy crowd in New York did not at least hear about his proclivities.

Although, I have had four male acquaintances who turned out to be sex offenders and or pedophiles. Each time, you could have knocked me over with a feather. I had no idea. OTOH, I just cannot believe that New York society did not know, suspect or at least hear rumors.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
19. He was on flights on Esptein's plane
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:06 PM
Oct 2020

None to the island. It's not uncommon for the rich and famous to hitch rides on private jets all the time, this was no different.

Remember, no one has ever accused Bill Clinton of any wrong doing around Epstein, no one. And the conspiracy righties push is that Clinton hid it from the Secret Service either by sneaking off or by having the USSS lie for him, that aint happening, period.

Trump on the other hand was accused of raping a child at Epstein's NYC apartment. And Epstein did in fact find victims are Trump's private club.

And there's multiple videos like this, couldn't you imagine if this was bill Clinton on tape groping young women with Epstein?

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
20. I'm aware of all this, yes
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:14 PM
Oct 2020


I so wish Bill Clinton would have kept it in his pants. Our lives would be so much easier, IMO. But I have never seen anything which indicates beyond a doubt he was into young girls.

If he were, well, I'd let the chips fall where they may. But I have not seen anything up until this point.

Johnny2X2X

(18,968 posts)
21. Agree
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:17 PM
Oct 2020

There is zero evidence he did anything wrong or was into young girls, there are no accusations even. The fact he cheated on Hillary has nothing to do with this, there is zero hint in his character that he's a sicko like Trump or Epstein.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
23. The Netflix documentary
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:57 PM
Oct 2020

on Epstein features the man who set up Epstein’s communication systems on the island. He says that he saw Clinton on the island. The man says this on camera. This is confirmation of Giuffre’s claim.

Jizzlane claims not to know anything about Epstein’s sexual proclivities.

shrike3

(3,476 posts)
24. I'm really not interested in debating this.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 01:18 PM
Oct 2020

Let the chips fall where they may. If Clinton gets caught up in it, so be it.
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
17. 1500 radio stations have been putting clinton right there in the middle of it -
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:00 PM
Oct 2020

who ya gonna believe? clinton, or trump and limbaugh

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
22. Page 31. Just... wow. I'm bidding on hip waders on eBay
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:36 PM
Oct 2020

...isn't even the most damning testimony, but I've never seen such tortured syntax in response to repeated simple questions.

Q. = Mccawley, Guiffre's attorney
A: = Maxwell...

So you're testifying that you never observed a female under the age of 18 at Jeffrey Epstein's West Palm Beach home?

MR. PAGLIUCA: I object to form and foundation.

A. I already answered that question, I believe.

Q. You didn't answer my question.

A. I did.

Q. Did you observe a female under the age of 18 at Jeffrey Epstein's home in Palm Beach?
A. Like I said, I work, I don't sit there and watch people coming in and out of the house. I cannot possibly tell you if I'm in the home that somebody was there that I did not see, I cannot comment on it, I have no idea.

Q. Did you observe females at Jeffrey Epstein's home that were laying out topless in the back of the home, in other words without a shirt on?

A. So that's just another of Virginia's lies. So let's be clear, at the time when I was there and present, frequently at the house, it was unusual to see people without their clothes on.

Q. When you say unusual, did you observe people without their clothes at Jeffrey Epstein's home?

A. Can I answer. Sometimes people in the privacy of a house and swimming pool, I have seen people from time to time take their top off. I have seen people from time to time do that. Very unusual. Naked people around the people at any frequent period of time, I have never seen.


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