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(145,119 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)They never question why their side sucks.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)Argue against that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)(Sigh.)
groundloop
(11,518 posts)mcar
(42,300 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)That was deeply touching and significant.
Happy Hoosier
(7,284 posts)Outstanding work.
grobertj
(187 posts)When this is all over, the Dems need to hire the folks responsible for these ads.
catbyte
(34,367 posts)they're on our side.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)TLP does create some amazing ads. Usually I tune out of most political ads even Democratic ads. They are frankly boring and cookie cutter. TLP makes some good ads, ads that are easy to go viral.
I hope someone in some left leaning agency someone is taking good notes.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)is that they will never work for repubs again.
livetohike
(22,138 posts)calimary
(81,209 posts)Glad these Lincoln Project folks are on our side.
For now.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)But I wish someone would stop cutting onions around here!
Great, super effective ad!
mtngirl47
(988 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,641 posts)LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)The in-your-face stuff doesn't always work. This is highly effective and they found the right actor.
Auggie
(31,161 posts)Madison Avenue, even at its all-time best, couldnt do better. Outstanding spot.
George II
(67,782 posts)gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Maybe this will pull back a few to land back into reality.
niyad
(113,253 posts)courage, honour, doing the right thing, owning up to mistakes, are strictly masculine traits.
catbyte
(34,367 posts)sticking with trump. We women are onto him at record levels; men, not so much as they should. Shame them into thinking.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)At first I thought "kinda sexist," but then again, since it's Sam Elliot, all is forgiven. Over all, it's a great ad!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)than their female counterparts, so I'd say it was targeting all of them.
Post election surveys showed 13 % of Black men and 38 % of Hispanic males voted for Trump in 2016.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Maybe this ad will get some of them thinking -- at least the undecideds. Who knows what motivates people, but the Lincoln Project isn't leaving any stones unturned.
Lock him up.
(6,925 posts)Democratic women voters don't need to be reminded those values.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,300 posts)which was more men than women. They've also had ads targeted more at women (you could say this is at parents, but I think it's also partly "Trump is saying these things about you" ): https://lincolnproject.us/video/mirror/
Delmette2.0
(4,164 posts)I have my own story to tell but not now.
Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)I politely disagree. In fact, that's what makes it so perfect....it's completely targeted, by design, toward the macho men types....Riding the horses, fishing with your son, and many other scenes.
TLP put an ad out recently targeted towards woman regarding their daughters...
I think they're spot on....
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Which is what I understood it to be after listening and watching it. This ad was squarely aimed at men who voted R in 2016. It was all right there in the script.
niyad
(113,253 posts)appallingly sexist and misogynistic.
ms liberty
(8,572 posts)niyad
(113,253 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)And the ones who can be persuaded to not do it in 20.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)The ad isn't suggesting that at all. It's specifically targeting men - the voting bloc that favors Trump over Biden. Women aren't being attacked, slighted, whatever.
niyad
(113,253 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)or made to feel inferior by that ad? The ad is in no way, shape, or form suggesting that the positive traits you laid out above are masculine only.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)as many others in the thread (despite the fact that I was blessed with a wonderful dad.)
But I do get great and sly satisfaction from its perfect pitch at the men who think they are the guardians of American virtues but who nevertheless voted for a racist, sexist imbecile.
The ad is manipulation, but it is perfect manipulation to appeal to that guy.
Genius.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)This ad is intended for people who believe in patriarchal myths. The message resonates with millions of Americans who usually vote Republican because of those myths. These are the people who voted for Trump because they thought he embodied those myths.
It's a brilliant ad because it speaks directly to what motivates that set of voters.
It's also a very illuminating window into the beliefs of the leaders of the Lincoln Project. These life-long Republican White men supported Trump because he sold himself to them as the embodiment of that patriarchal myth. They're upset that he turned out to be a con. But there's no indication that they are questioning the mythology itself.
niyad
(113,253 posts)yardwork
(61,588 posts)We sound un-American when we question the myths underlying this tear-inducing ad. Even I teared up. But these are myths, and they serve us poorly in so many ways.
niyad
(113,253 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(1,135 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,037 posts)This was like watching a movie.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Lincoln Project's talent for hitting the mark is amazing.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)And We Were Soldiers. And a number of other things.
But most recently, I remember "Guts, Glory, RAM."
He's an icon, and from all reports is actually a really decent guy.
Staph
(6,251 posts)PatSeg
(47,393 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)I love that voice, and craggy face.. I married a man who looks very much like him.. To be honest I married Mr Peacetrain before I got this never ending crush on Sam.. so guess its my crush on Mr Peacetrain that leads the way Such a great ad..
MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)What a good ad. The LP ads that target emotion are their best work, imho. Attack ads, while they are reportedly effective, wear thin for me.
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)I am, however, a Dad myself. Great ad.
Cosmocat
(14,562 posts)Speaks to me big time, and I suspect a lot of people like us.
Alhena
(3,030 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Great performance. Great film.
Le Roi de Pot
(744 posts)Republicans know this so well ... We are too prefrontal cortex driven
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)onetexan
(13,036 posts)but because of Sam Elliott's beautiful voice!!
Love that guy. So glad he did this ad for TLP.
Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)Willie on Morning Joe said he'd enjoy listening to Sam Elliott read a phone book and I completely agree....
onetexan
(13,036 posts)Dude abides..sure 'nough Yes i do agree he can read anything & it w sound like good music to my ears. I love all his movies, esp'ly the westerns
Native
(5,939 posts)Traildogbob
(8,711 posts)By Family of the Year is one of my fav songs. This makes it better. Now every time I hear it on my list, I will think of those images, and think of hope and possibilities.
I will put this up against any Trump add with Macho Man and Trump dancing.
Check out Summer Girl by Family of the Year also. Great band.
liberalla
(9,234 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:51 PM - Edit history (1)
You have SO much invested in your belief, decision and action... and it's hard to admit you were wrong.
Then comes much revered, manly man Sam Elliott telling you it's OK to admit your mistake, and how you can fix it! Giving you permission to change your mind!
I think this ad is wonderful! And I think it will help shift some votes.
I love it!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,171 posts)Especially if you've been Republican all your life.
Especially if you are religious and your church worships Trump.
This ad was very moving for me. It made me wish my dad had been a dad like Joe. The one I had had a character much like Trump's. I tried to raise my boys to be the total opposite of that and I was fortunate to have succeeded. All three have voted for Biden and the two with children are great fathers.
Raster
(20,998 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)four years ago, they can take collective blame.
question everything
(47,467 posts)About two months into the Trump presidency, Ron Prestage clutched a shovel and grinned at a photographer on an Iowa cornfield. He had $309 million riding on 160 acres near the town of Eagle Grove, the site of a future pork plant that would help his familys company, Prestage Farms Inc., tap surging U.S. exports.
Just weeks after bulldozers began rolling, though, President Trump came within a pen stroke of upending Mr. Prestages plans, preparing to announce the termination of the North American Free Trade Agreement. Trade battles with Mexico, Canada and China that followed cut into pork-producer profits in a three-year roller-coaster ride that threatened the Prestage familys biggest-ever investment.
Yet Mr. Prestage plans to vote for Mr. Trump as he did in 2016. He and many other farmers say they believe a Biden presidency would bring stricter environmental regulations and higher taxes, among other concerns. Many are in competitive Midwestern states that might tip the election.
A September poll by agricultural publication Farm Futures found 75% of farmers surveyed in July planned to vote for Mr. Trump, compared with 72.6% ahead of the 2016 election.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/farmers-election-trump-biden-trade-war-11602693377 (subscription)
catbyte
(34,367 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Link to tweet
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BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)However, it's going to be REALLY hard to ever top the previous one. TLP's finest hour, and maybe the best political ad there's ever been.
madeup64
(257 posts)Upthevibe
(8,035 posts)Thank you for posting. I just saw this on twitter and am in tears. This is beautiful...Wow....Perfect message, perfect visuals, perfect music, and Sam Elliott...who's a level above perfection...
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Hassler
(3,370 posts)FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)other than the religious part. Dad did not go to church, but his integrity and goodness put most churchgoing people I know to shame. He was the most thoughtful and responsible person I ever knew. I try to live up to his example, but miss the mark sometimes.
Of course he wasn't perfect, but he more than made up for that with the good that he did.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)JDC
(10,125 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I voted for Hillary in 2016.
Neither fortune nor torture would ever get me to vote for the current imbecile.
I appreciate the zeitgeist of the message, but it is directed at an entirely different audience than DU.
nuxvomica
(12,420 posts)I miss my dad.
luvallpeeps
(935 posts)Yes, I meant to yell. Byah! I'll have to add though, Sam Elliott could say he has shit between his toes, and it would sound excellent.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Straight to the heart.
ornotna
(10,798 posts)wow
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,580 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)I miss my dad. He would be appalled at this shit show. My mom is 89 and hates Dingus Turd.
BootinUp
(47,139 posts)Silver Gaia
(4,542 posts)I miss my Daddy so much.