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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 03:59 PM Oct 2020

'Stunning' Executive Order Would Politicize Civil Service

Trump, horrendous until the bitter end!



President Trump signs directive that would potentially pull thousands of federal employees in "policy-making" positions out of the competitive service, making them at-will employees.

OCTOBER 22, 2020 12:56 PM ET


President Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order creating a new classification of “policy-making” federal employees that could strip swaths of the federal workforce of civil service protections just before the next president is sworn into office.

The order would create a new Schedule F within the excepted service of the federal government, to be composed of “employees in confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating positions,” and instructs agency heads to determine which current employees fit this definition and move them—whether they are members of the competitive service or other schedules within the excepted service—into this new classification. Federal regulations stating that employees hired into the competitive service retain that status even if their position is moved to the excepted service will not apply to Schedule F transfers.

Positions in the new Schedule F would effectively constitute at-will employment, without any of the protections against adverse personnel actions that most federal workers currently enjoy, although individual agencies are tasked with establishing “rules to prohibit the same personnel practices prohibited” by Title 5 of the U.S. Code. The order also instructs the Federal Labor Relations Authority to examine whether Schedule F employees should be removed from their bargaining units, a move that would bar them from being represented by federal employee unions.

“Except as required by statute, the civil service rules and regulations shall not apply to removals from positions listed in Schedules A, C, D, E, or F, or from positions excepted from the competitive service by statute,” the order states.

The order sets a swift timetable for implementation: Agencies have 90 days to conduct a “preliminary” review of their workforces to determine who should be moved into the new employee classification—a deadline that coincides with Jan. 19, the day before the next presidential inauguration.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2020/10/stunning-executive-order-would-politicize-civil-service/169479/

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'Stunning' Executive Order Would Politicize Civil Service (Original Post) BeckyDem Oct 2020 OP
If we don't get rid of this lying spew of liquid sewage sharp_stick Oct 2020 #1
He has to be defeated, absolutely. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #3
I'm not one to wish away time but damn sharp_stick Oct 2020 #7
I can't take much more either. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #10
+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2020 #18
They don't appear to be expecting to lose. Nt lostnfound Oct 2020 #24
Everything they do now sharp_stick Oct 2020 #25
This way he would get to fire Dr. Fauci. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #2
Yes, I believe he could do just that. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #4
This is a great way for Biden to get rid of rw ideologues who were political DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #5
Yes, it could be a situation that backfires on the GOP if applied to their minions. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #6
Yep, all Biden has to do is ask OPM DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #9
Me too. +1. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #11
Now just imagine if he is humiliated by 10-15% in the General Election - NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #8
As a former civil servant in a policy-making role... russiamommy Oct 2020 #12
It is infuriating! Voters need to know this about him, any undecided voters that is. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #17
darn tootin' they would shanti Oct 2020 #27
Can the next president recind Trump's executive doc03 Oct 2020 #13
Yes russiamommy Oct 2020 #14
Biden has to do like Trump and undo everything doc03 Oct 2020 #16
Yes. It is stunning how Trump is preparing to do more damage if he were BeckyDem Oct 2020 #15
Absolutely, and there's no reason why he wouldn't... jmowreader Oct 2020 #33
Whether he gets to do this, the incoming admin will be on the look out for booby traps all over the OnDoutside Oct 2020 #19
The loss of institutional knowledge will be devastating Midnightwalk Oct 2020 #20
+1. That is the plan, he wants a seamless opinion, his narrative uninterrupted. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #22
This sounds way too sophisticated for Trump to have thought up DFW Oct 2020 #21
Could be, so many sociopaths, so little time. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #23
The whole reason we have the Civil Service system was to prevent what Trump is trying to do. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2020 #26
+1 shanti Oct 2020 #28
Exactly why Trump wants to change it. BeckyDem Oct 2020 #32
This is likely something Putin wanted him t o cross of the list before the election. nt BlueLucy Oct 2020 #29
There has been no repeal of the Civil Service Reform Act crickets Oct 2020 #30
Good question! From the wording of the executive order, and I am presuming BeckyDem Oct 2020 #31

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. If we don't get rid of this lying spew of liquid sewage
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:02 PM
Oct 2020

we're totally fucked.

I'm taking election day off so I can drive as many people as possible to vote against Trump as possible.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
10. I can't take much more either.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:10 PM
Oct 2020

Our country needs two important wins. A vaccine that we know will be viable and Trump gone.
Once we have that, we can and will begin recovery with Biden.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
25. Everything they do now
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 05:16 PM
Oct 2020

is playing to the base. The only chance they've got is a massive turnout of the base along with new voters.

Right now I'm cautiously optimistic that the good guys are as motivated as I am. I'll crawl naked over a field of broken glass to vote against Trump and all of his MAGAt acolytes.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
5. This is a great way for Biden to get rid of rw ideologues who were political
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:05 PM
Oct 2020

appointees but who have burrowed into the federal civil service bureacracy.

Anyway, it's easy for OPM to reverse paperwork classifications.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,614 posts)
6. Yes, it could be a situation that backfires on the GOP if applied to their minions.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:06 PM
Oct 2020

And Biden could just rehire Fauci.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
9. Yep, all Biden has to do is ask OPM
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:09 PM
Oct 2020

to find all federal employees who were hired as schedule C political appointees and cull through them for hire dates coinciding with the years we had GOP presidents. Then convert them to schedule F, fire them and rescind the executive order.

At least that's what I'd do, but then I'm probably a lot more vindictive than Biden.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,374 posts)
8. Now just imagine if he is humiliated by 10-15% in the General Election -
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:08 PM
Oct 2020

he may nuke something. I'm serious.

russiamommy

(244 posts)
12. As a former civil servant in a policy-making role...
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:19 PM
Oct 2020

I can’t tell you how mad this makes me! I also have friends that are still there - somehow they’ve managed to survive the last four years. Many more have left and are waiting in the wings for a Biden administration.

I can’t believe this is even legal. I’m sure it will be challenged. Even if it isn’t, like others have said, it would be easy to undo.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
17. It is infuriating! Voters need to know this about him, any undecided voters that is.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:27 PM
Oct 2020

His base would love for him to use this kind of power.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
27. darn tootin' they would
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 08:24 PM
Oct 2020

RW'ers hate government employees of any stripe and love it when they suffer.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
15. Yes. It is stunning how Trump is preparing to do more damage if he were
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:25 PM
Oct 2020

to win and why this executive order is so important for voters to understand. He has to be defeated, he will never stop undermining democracy.

jmowreader

(50,531 posts)
33. Absolutely, and there's no reason why he wouldn't...
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:28 AM
Oct 2020

...especially since Trump has spent his entire administration undoing President Obama's time in office. He's even trying to bring Osama bin Laden back to life, FFS.

Biden's Executive Order 1369: "Both Generalissimo Francisco Franco and Al Qaeda head Osama Bin Laden are still dead."

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
19. Whether he gets to do this, the incoming admin will be on the look out for booby traps all over the
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:28 PM
Oct 2020

place. I have no doubt that Trump and his evil gang will cause even more damage on the way out.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
20. The loss of institutional knowledge will be devastating
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:51 PM
Oct 2020

Which of course is part of the plan.

These policies aren’t just to intimidate or punish employees for doing the right thing. By forcing experienced people out the government will be much less effective.

Businesses and lobbyists and our foreign adversaries all benefit from this.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
21. This sounds way too sophisticated for Trump to have thought up
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 05:00 PM
Oct 2020

I smell Miller, Bannon, or McTurtle.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,766 posts)
26. The whole reason we have the Civil Service system was to prevent what Trump is trying to do.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 08:13 PM
Oct 2020

In the past government jobs went to the friends and lackeys of elected officials. This was known as the "spoils system" as in "to the victors the spoils."

Many of these people were unqualified for the job they were given.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
29. This is likely something Putin wanted him t o cross of the list before the election. nt
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 08:28 PM
Oct 2020

We need to get this piece of shit out!

crickets

(25,952 posts)
30. There has been no repeal of the Civil Service Reform Act
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 08:53 PM
Oct 2020

Apologies for a naive question, but legally, can he actually do this? In know trump does what he wants, but that's not my question. There is legislation currently in place - isn't there a problem if presidents throw out that legislation with the sweep of pen? Congress passes the law, not the president. Do they have any pushback?

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
31. Good question! From the wording of the executive order, and I am presuming
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:21 AM
Oct 2020

his office of legal counsel wrote it? He is creating a different category and it seems to do a run around the original protections.

Bush's legal council came up with an excuse to torture, which fell apart legally but not in time enough to stop the practice.


But yea, there is pushback, how far they can take it, I don't know. Trump must be defeated, that is paramount.

Congressman Gerry Connolly (D-VA), Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Government Operations, released the following statement today regarding President Trump's order removing many career federal employees from the competitive service, costing them important civil service protections and stripping them of their eligibility to be represented by a union:

"This Executive Order is yet another attack on federal employees that addresses absolutely none of the issues that can hinder effective federal recruitment and hiring. It’s a cheap ploy to let the Trump Administration replace talent and acumen with fealty and self-dealing.”

https://connolly.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4110

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