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No contest. This was one of Biden's best debate performances ever. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 OP
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #1
He's doing great! StarryNite Oct 2020 #2
I wish i had your confidence. I'm afraid the debate polls will give it to Trump. dem4decades Oct 2020 #3
Nope. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #10
Why? (I'm not watching) tman Oct 2020 #11
Biden had the zingers. Biden put Trump on the defensive all night. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #14
What zingers? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #37
The Abe Lincoln one was the best. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #40
No matter what the rah-rah...and totally get the trying to make Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #49
Your spinning it negatively is NOT working. Cha Oct 2020 #58
The post-debate polls say otherwise. nt Wednesdays Oct 2020 #63
Learning to live with it... greblach Oct 2020 #53
That may have been THE line of the night. calimary Oct 2020 #61
... LexVegas Oct 2020 #12
I agree, sadly relayerbob Oct 2020 #17
Biden let Trump have the last word. dem4decades Oct 2020 #22
Yes, he was not aggressive enough relayerbob Oct 2020 #24
Finally, an honest assessment. Not just a bunch of "my guy was perfect bs. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #52
the best line biden didn't give was "well, that what limbaugh says but...." certainot Oct 2020 #54
We'll find out in a few minutes. BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #20
Some may because he didn't whip out his tiny mushroom. Caliman73 Oct 2020 #23
Thank you i needed that. I was really depressed thinking Trump made points. dem4decades Oct 2020 #25
His most effective attack was... Caliman73 Oct 2020 #28
Agree. I wish that Biden had wnylib Oct 2020 #33
Well put. Mersky Oct 2020 #39
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #35
Trump didn't look like a frenzied, lying, crazy, heartless monster. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #56
Agreed. Sierra89 Oct 2020 #4
Yes, he was calm until he was righteous. tinrobot Oct 2020 #5
Good to hear. Thanks. I don't watch. But people have been saying different takes though most say LizBeth Oct 2020 #6
I love Biden and his debate prep team that prepared all the facts, Claustrum Oct 2020 #7
That's how I see it. dchill Oct 2020 #8
Biden's closing remarks are excellent! Bluepinky Oct 2020 #9
Agreed Chuuurles Oct 2020 #13
He's doing pretty well democrattotheend Oct 2020 #15
Thanks..will have to look that debate up! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #51
the debate with Ryan was his best Kali Oct 2020 #60
The moderator was excellent too... VarryOn Oct 2020 #16
I agree jcgoldie Oct 2020 #19
I agree - I was very impressed. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #57
I agree. liberalmuse Oct 2020 #18
Think the lines are clearly drawn. Do believe some of the so-called "undecided" who lean toward Hoyt Oct 2020 #21
And Trump cemented his legacy as a used car salesman Blue Owl Oct 2020 #26
Yes but it was Trump's best too Raine Oct 2020 #27
No it does NOT. Cha Oct 2020 #59
I agree TheDemsshouldhireme Oct 2020 #29
It's cool to hear that people feel that way ecstatic Oct 2020 #30
I dunno, I think he was cool under pressure Mersky Oct 2020 #32
It was a great contrast. Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #38
Really was Mersky Oct 2020 #42
No , unfortunately, your intuition is right :( Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #41
He got the final word, and his closing was perfect RainCaster Oct 2020 #31
Yes, he was fantastic-- so many good attacks LymphocyteLover Oct 2020 #34
Yes! Whew! I'm glad he did well...'cause I ALREADY voted for him! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2020 #36
Evocative of 1960 prodigitalson Oct 2020 #43
Well, what is wrong with Luntz's undecided. Are they alive and living in this world? Boogiemack Oct 2020 #44
What's Wrong You Ask? These Folks With Luntz Aren't "Undecided". Indykatie Oct 2020 #46
tRump was so robotic and repetitive. He was unbelievable, incredible, blah, blah, blah ffr Oct 2020 #45
I liked the town hall better BainsBane Oct 2020 #47
Yes. But that wasn't a debate. :p Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #48
It was supposed to be. nt BainsBane Oct 2020 #50
Yes, it was a good debate. Aussie105 Oct 2020 #55
Gov Jay Inslee weighs in.. I'll take his perspective Over Cha Oct 2020 #62
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
49. No matter what the rah-rah...and totally get the trying to make
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:54 PM
Oct 2020

our guy look the best - tonight was a setback. You can spin it a thousand different ways. It doesn't make it true. Missed comeback opportunities: one zillion

My hope is that we end up getting rid of the worst human being ever to be "president". And that Joe is our next president!!! He will be a great one.

calimary

(81,571 posts)
61. That may have been THE line of the night.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:48 AM
Oct 2020

trump probably figures he won because he wasn't foaming at the mount by halfway through.

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
17. I agree, sadly
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:38 PM
Oct 2020

Trump got to lie openly with little challenge. Biden held his own, but wasn't aggressive enough and Trump dominated the microphone

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
24. Yes, he was not aggressive enough
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:49 PM
Oct 2020

But her job is to provide equal time, not just toss out softball questions

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
23. Some may because he didn't whip out his tiny mushroom.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:47 PM
Oct 2020

The reality is that Trump needed to be spectacular in this debate in order to make any changes in the race. He wasn't. He will certainly get credit for not flinging his shit, but that is like getting 400 on the SAT for putting your name on it.

He didn't do anything to convince anyone that he will be any different if given 4 more years. He flubbed his taxes again and he got nailed on race after he thought he had a good one on Biden, he got hit with the Central Park 5.

It was not a definitive debate for either. Biden did very well with his plans and details and Trump did not light himself on fire. Those were the standards.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
28. His most effective attack was...
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:54 PM
Oct 2020

"Why didn't you do anything in 8 years?" This was on immigration. Biden finally shut it down when spoke a fundamental truth ... Because Republicans were in charge of Congress.

Trump paused for like 10 seconds, then tried to come back with something, but the moment had passed.

It really was basically a debate where if you like Trump, you will think he won and if you like Biden, you will think he won.

There were no game changers.

wnylib

(21,756 posts)
33. Agree. I wish that Biden had
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:22 PM
Oct 2020

made that point earlier than he did. Also wish Biden had then capitalized on it by saying the solution was more Democratic Senators to break the obstructionism of Moscow Mitch.

But those points can still be covered by Biden and his spokespersons tonight and tomorrow.

I would have liked to hear Biden mention Trump's supporters among white supremacist groups when they discussed race.

Overall, Biden did well, though. Got in some good zingers, like saying Trump was confused over who he was running against.

One point that Trump will play up and exaggerate out of context, though, was Biden saying that we must transition from fossil fuels. Trump will use this in oil and fracking states like TX and PA. Biden will need to emphasize to people in PA that they will have better jobs and improved local economies from the transition.

Response to dem4decades (Reply #3)

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
56. Trump didn't look like a frenzied, lying, crazy, heartless monster.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:20 AM
Oct 2020

Instead, he looked like a low energy, lying, crazy, heartless monster.

Big improvement, right?

Unfortunately for Trump, Biden was dramatically stronger tonight. He clearly won.

LizBeth

(9,953 posts)
6. Good to hear. Thanks. I don't watch. But people have been saying different takes though most say
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:36 PM
Oct 2020

Biden is doing well.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
7. I love Biden and his debate prep team that prepared all the facts,
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:36 PM
Oct 2020

exactly he said during the last year on COVID, and all other subjects. He will stand tall in the after debate fact checking while Trump is lying all the time.

democrattotheend

(11,607 posts)
15. He's doing pretty well
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:37 PM
Oct 2020

But I thought he was a little better in his March debate against Bernie and his 2012 debate with Paul Ryan. The Ryan debate is probably the best debate I've ever seen him do.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
18. I agree.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:38 PM
Oct 2020

And I enjoyed the debate even though Trump is ridiculous. Jesus, the fact he got in the Presidency is something this country needs to atone for. He is not cut out for the job.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. Think the lines are clearly drawn. Do believe some of the so-called "undecided" who lean toward
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 10:42 PM
Oct 2020

trump will feel he did enough for their vote (they were probably going to do that anyway). Same thing for Biden, for people who might lean toward him. There shouldn't be many undecideds after this.

ecstatic

(32,782 posts)
30. It's cool to hear that people feel that way
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:07 PM
Oct 2020

I was so frustrated by trump's lies and it seemed like Joe was too calm in his responses, but if other people prefer that approach, then good. As long as no harm was done, I'm ok with it.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
32. I dunno, I think he was cool under pressure
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:22 PM
Oct 2020

Didn’t want him to fly off the handle, and by golly, he did not. I woulda lost it like 10 times over and that is why (among many reasons) I am not running for president.

Biden had ways of calling him out and getting onto to real ideas. Had to chuckle over tRump’s bug-eyed moments. Was worth putting up with the noise coming from the so-called pResident.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
42. Really was
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:35 PM
Oct 2020

I tried to put on my, I’m-just-walking-into-the-presidential-race-late-hat. Assessment: tRump was a jerk and Joe has ideas.

I mean, tRump got lost in an indecipherable loop about the size of windows as an answer to how to address climate change. Folks, that won’t do.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
44. Well, what is wrong with Luntz's undecided. Are they alive and living in this world?
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:40 PM
Oct 2020

It really makes me angry to hear their opinions. I know, they are entitled to their opinions but I think they all are looking for a way to vote for Trump and justify it to themselves.

ffr

(22,677 posts)
45. tRump was so robotic and repetitive. He was unbelievable, incredible, blah, blah, blah
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:51 PM
Oct 2020

Nothing new. The same old tired grifter side-show he's been pitching all his life. Only, we're sick of the bullshit.

TRUMP, YOU'RE FIRED!

We've voted already. Get your shit and get the fuck out!

Aussie105

(5,484 posts)
55. Yes, it was a good debate.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:20 AM
Oct 2020

Joe made many good points.
And at least Donald was more sedate and didn't try to verbally stomp Joe into the ground like last time.

But did any Republican decide to change their vote to Joe based on that debate? Doubtful.
Not even the old line 'I will release my taxes at some time in the future' from Trump. After stalling for 4 years, really?

I've always seen Trump as an anarchist, bent on destroying everything and then expecting something better to grow in it's place, spontaneously.
Biden I see as someone who wants to continue the good works of the Obama years, and pick up on the things that were blocked for Obama by the Republicans.

So no contest in my eyes.

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