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Biden needs to make a trip to Texas. Period. (Original Post) 7wo7rees Oct 2020 OP
I agree vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #1
There is one member here that can make it happen or tell why VP Biden 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #8
Beto keeps tell Joe to come here vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #17
Texas could the be end of Trump at 11 PM Eastern. liskddksil Oct 2020 #2
Exactly!! Why are they not here? n/t 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #30
He is at least 3 down in Texas. I don't see it in play. I have someone working campaigns in Texas LizBeth Oct 2020 #3
Tied from the last time vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #6
That's what I've heard, too. herding cats Oct 2020 #10
Amen!! n/t 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #14
Texas is all about turnout. Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #15
Turnout so far appears to be pretty good. LisaL Oct 2020 #20
So far, an amazing turn out. LizBeth Oct 2020 #24
+1 LizBeth Oct 2020 #22
The last time a Democrat won in Texas was 1976. Carter won by about 120,000 votes and.... George II Oct 2020 #56
Also, I read that thee was the Democratic dog or something like that around the panhandle of Texas LizBeth Oct 2020 #61
would generate a ton of free publicity nt msongs Oct 2020 #4
We're tight down here, but I've not a clue as to how his current internal polls are reading today. herding cats Oct 2020 #5
I'd prefer Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #7
TWO DAYS? He couldn't do that anywhere - 11 days remaining and votes happening in real time. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #34
WI!!!!! Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #9
Don't forget to tread on Texas! nt Boogiemack Oct 2020 #11
I agree, but where should he go since it will most likely just be one time ? JI7 Oct 2020 #12
Well, since you asked..... I recognized it is a two day tour, all hands on deckm 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #25
Obviously his campaign did internal polling LisaL Oct 2020 #13
He's rightfully Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #18
Texas is the largest battleground state Gothmog Oct 2020 #16
It sure is. But it might not be exactly "there" yet. LisaL Oct 2020 #19
K&R UTUSN Oct 2020 #21
Why TX specifically? LisaL Oct 2020 #23
Is there any chance of dumbass Endorsing Biden ? JI7 Oct 2020 #26
I agree, with a focus on 545 children whose parents have not been found. Chasing Dreams Oct 2020 #27
YES!!!!! Thank you!!!! Passions are running high in Texas. 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #28
Delete duplicate post 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #29
Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are priority DIVINEprividence Oct 2020 #31
Oh, brother. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #32
"Oh brother", not appreciated for one minute NurseJackie. Not for 1 minute. 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #33
Yes, really. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #38
Do you live in Texas? I think maybe not. 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #54
That's nice. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #57
Texas is a huge state and if Biden wins Texas it likely means a landslide. Statistical Oct 2020 #35
He needs to go to swing states treestar Oct 2020 #36
Texas is "swinging"! Anyone paying attention? n/t 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #37
No it isn't. SoonerPride Oct 2020 #43
You're right, it isn't. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #58
Yup. Agreed Arazi Oct 2020 #39
Fortunately you have no input on sceduling grantcart Oct 2020 #40
Why? If he goes to Texas he'll speak directly to maybe 200, 300, 500, or at best 1,000 people.... George II Oct 2020 #41
Hillary wasted time chasing after texas and georgia and lost. SoonerPride Oct 2020 #42
Exactly! Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #47
Yep. I guess it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. George II Oct 2020 #48
+1, that is the essence of it, for sure. LizBeth Oct 2020 #62
Yes. Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #49
I mean, okay I guess.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #44
I agree Biden or Harris needs to go Texas irisblue Oct 2020 #45
No That's fool's gold Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #46
Exactly. He should be shoring up states we lost in 2016 and building a bigger lead or.... George II Oct 2020 #50
I agree. Try to improve the firewall instead. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #53
Oh, look! A voice of reason! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #59
Joe Biden already had a drive-in campaign in Houston. Niagara Oct 2020 #51
I knew there'd be more after the "period." Iggo Oct 2020 #52
Hah. 7wo7rees Oct 2020 #55
. Iggo Oct 2020 #60

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
1. I agree
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:53 PM
Oct 2020

Some say due to Joe's response on ending oil or transitioning away from it has now lost him the state. Last time I checked Texas jobs were not majority in oil but technology.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
8. There is one member here that can make it happen or tell why VP Biden
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:04 AM
Oct 2020

won't make it to Texas.

Personally, I feel if Biden does not come to Texas it will be a big fail on his part and could possibly hurt in the end.

Please Joe, come show Texas some love!!

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
2. Texas could the be end of Trump at 11 PM Eastern.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:55 PM
Oct 2020

Yes, Joe and/or Kamala should show up at least once and seal the deal. We need to work for it as well. Make calls!

https://events.poweredxpeople.org/

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
3. He is at least 3 down in Texas. I don't see it in play. I have someone working campaigns in Texas
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:56 PM
Oct 2020

and they don't see it will go blue. Soon, but not there yet.

Edit to say, I would like to see him go out there and hang with Beto.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
10. That's what I've heard, too.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:05 AM
Oct 2020

I can't verify this, it's just talk from people within the party state level but we're so very close (Beto level close!) just not quite there yet.

I'm holding out for small a miracle this cycle. We definitely deserve one down here by now considering how long suffering we've been.

Turin_C3PO

(14,063 posts)
15. Texas is all about turnout.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:09 AM
Oct 2020

If it approaches 55% turnout, Biden can win. If it’s the normal low turnout, especially low Hispanic turnout, Trump will win.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
20. Turnout so far appears to be pretty good.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:14 AM
Oct 2020

It looks like it will be better than in 2016 if voting continues the way it has been going.

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. The last time a Democrat won in Texas was 1976. Carter won by about 120,000 votes and....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 01:22 PM
Oct 2020

...that was after Watergate and the Ford pardon of Nixon.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
61. Also, I read that thee was the Democratic dog or something like that around the panhandle of Texas
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 01:44 PM
Oct 2020

that took it blue. Around Pantex plant and then with bigotry, the party of racist they switch to be very red conservatives. I am not remembering a lot but there use to be a segment of working class that went blue that are now red.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
5. We're tight down here, but I've not a clue as to how his current internal polls are reading today.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 11:58 PM
Oct 2020

I'd deeply like to see an appearance, but not if it takes away from other more likely flips.

I want to win Texas, but I know that's not as likely as other states we need to win. I want to win more than anything and this is crunch time.

Turin_C3PO

(14,063 posts)
7. I'd prefer
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:02 AM
Oct 2020

he focus on Pennsylvania. He’s ahead there but some people have said that Biden’s support may be a little softer there than other states. But yeah, I wouldn’t mind him taking a two day tour through Texas.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
34. TWO DAYS? He couldn't do that anywhere - 11 days remaining and votes happening in real time.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:53 AM
Oct 2020

I would think a few hours might be justifiable.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
25. Well, since you asked..... I recognized it is a two day tour, all hands on deckm
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:25 AM
Oct 2020

Let's start in the PanHandle. Amarillo and Lubbock. Head east to Wichita Falls and then on to Denton and south to Dallas.
Head south from Amsrillo and keep on till you hit Odessa/Mudland (most of that territory can be found in the epic movie, "Giant".
Back to Dallas and south. Well, Houston or Austin?

San Antonio........

Then there is East Texas, (a country unto itself). Tyler is good, Nacogdoches, Stephen Austin University...

Houston, Galveston, Corpus Christi......Beaumont

So okay Dear VP Biden, just show up all day, for one day. Anywhere.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
13. Obviously his campaign did internal polling
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:06 AM
Oct 2020

and if TX does not appear as winnable as other states, then Biden likely won't go there.
They probably should concentrate on must win states since there is not that much time left.

Turin_C3PO

(14,063 posts)
18. He's rightfully
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:11 AM
Oct 2020

avoiding Hillary’s mistake of ignoring PA, WI, MI. Those are the states he should focus on. Winning Texas, Georgia, Arizona, Florida, etc. would be icing on the cake.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
23. Why TX specifically?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:21 AM
Oct 2020

There is a bunch of other states that might be more winnable than TX.
My guess is the campaign wants to concentrate on must win states, or states that their internal polling shows Joe is winning.
As I recall after Hillary lost the election many people got really upset she didn't spend enough time in MI, PA, WI and instead went after states that she ended up losing anyway.

JI7

(89,271 posts)
26. Is there any chance of dumbass Endorsing Biden ?
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:36 AM
Oct 2020

I know he was a shitty President but anything helps and we need to bury Trump.

Even if not him just Laura Bush would be nice also , especially in getting white women .

Chasing Dreams

(415 posts)
27. I agree, with a focus on 545 children whose parents have not been found.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:51 AM
Oct 2020

Yes, Texas is in play.

Yes, visit a couple of major cities while there.

Most importantly, attempt to visit some of those 545 kids separated from their parents. Then spend a few minutes outside the building talking about turning over every stone possible to reunite them with their parents/families. And if the Feds won't let him in the building, even better. This is about reminding everyone -- across 50 states -- how cruel Trump, Cornyn and the rest are.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
28. YES!!!!! Thank you!!!! Passions are running high in Texas.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 05:55 AM
Oct 2020

Monday I drove through Highland Psrk, Republican stronghold. Deep into the heart, residential.
On large corner lots, big signs "Country Over Party"!!
Hello!!
I stand by the Biden campaign needs to steamroll Texas!

 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
31. Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are priority
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:14 AM
Oct 2020

Texas is the cherry on top but given the fundraising advantage Biden has and the fact he has been spending a good chunk of time in the rust belt I say go for it. Make a play for Texas and Georgia, as long as you have taken care of business in the rust belt

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
32. Oh, brother.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:17 AM
Oct 2020
Don't ignore Texas.
Nobody is ignoring Texas. The Biden campaign knows what they're doing.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
33. "Oh brother", not appreciated for one minute NurseJackie. Not for 1 minute.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:45 AM
Oct 2020

Oh, brother. What state are you in?
Do you have stellar reps like we do in Texas? Cornyn, Cruz, Gohmert and all the rest?

Really, "OH BROTHER"!! NurseJackie??? WTF?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
38. Yes, really.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:24 AM
Oct 2020
Really, "OH BROTHER"!! NurseJackie??? WTF?
Yes, really. Nobody is ignoring Texas. The Biden campaign knows what they're doing.

This is not the 1930's. People in Texas have access to TV, radio and the Internet. They know what Biden is all about without the need for him to literally "make a trip to Texas". The Biden campaign (and other national surrogates) are doing a damn fine job at getting the message out.

I'm positive that everyone is aware that time is limited and money is limited. I think we can both agree that he can't be EVERYWHERE at the same time, right? Can we also agree that some events and some locations have a bigger impact on the EC vote than others?

What good purpose does it serve for anyone to be complaining and second-guessing Joe Biden's campaign decisions? It does nothing but to creating the negative (and false) impression that they don't know what they're doing and Texas is being snubbed or "ignored". That kind of negativity creates distrust and resentment. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Personally, I trust the Biden campaign to make the SMARTEST choices with regard to where their efforts (and time and money) are going to make the most positive and meaningful effect on the outcome of the election. Reasonable people know perfectly well that if the Biden campaign believed for one second that a "personal visit" could turn the state of Texas blue... they'd be there on the next flight. Right?

"Oh brother", not appreciated for one minute NurseJackie. Not for 1 minute.
Oh, good grief. Give it a rest. Period.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
54. Do you live in Texas? I think maybe not.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:39 PM
Oct 2020

If you did live in Texas maybe you might be more understanding.
Personally been involved politically for 20 years in Dallas.
I was at the rally in 2006 at Lee Park when Senator Biden and Senator Harry Reid brought Obama to Texas and introduced him to us.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. That's nice.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 01:23 PM
Oct 2020
Do you live in Texas? I think maybe not.
I live in the real world.

If you did live in Texas maybe you might be more understanding.
Oh, I understand more than a lot of people realize.

I understand enough to know that I'm not smarter than the people who are running Joe's campaign. I also understand that it's not my place to second-guess their decisions, nor is it my place to smear them by insinuating that they're too dumb to understand what they're doing, or what's at stake. I understand that there's ZERO value in trying to stir the pot with the false narrative that Biden is snubbing or ignoring Texas.

Personally been involved politically for 20 years in Dallas.
That's nice. Good for you.



Statistical

(19,264 posts)
35. Texas is a huge state and if Biden wins Texas it likely means a landslide.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:01 AM
Oct 2020

There is almost no scenario where Biden winning Texas decides the election.

So no I think Biden should (and will) smartly focus on the critical states. PA, MI, WI, AZ, FL and maybe if he has time NC, and GA.

Texas is huge. It takes a huge amount of resources to move the vote even 1%. The same amount of resources could be used to pickup 1% in multiple critical states.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. He needs to go to swing states
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:02 AM
Oct 2020

Trying for red states was what hurt Hillary.

Make no assumptions about the swing states.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
40. Fortunately you have no input on sceduling
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:41 AM
Oct 2020

From now on Biden and Harris will be making trips to states that have nexus on 2 variables: close on electoral, close on Senate.

Today Harris is in Georgia.

Biden would be better served to go to Iowa than Texas. Trump cannot win without Iowa, we need more Senate victories.

You are looking at the electoral college and they are looking at the electoral college and governing. Period.

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. Why? If he goes to Texas he'll speak directly to maybe 200, 300, 500, or at best 1,000 people....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:52 AM
Oct 2020

ALL of them already voting for him anyway.

What's to be gained? That will turn Texas blue?

People put way too much importance on "personal appearances", especially in today's political climate.

Turin_C3PO

(14,063 posts)
49. Yes.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:24 PM
Oct 2020

Bidens not going to make the mistake of ignoring the upper midwest swing states. That's where the election will be won.

Happy Hoosier

(7,392 posts)
44. I mean, okay I guess....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:55 AM
Oct 2020

But I think he needs to be camping in PA, MI and FL.

TX is more than likely fools gold this cycle.

irisblue

(33,034 posts)
45. I agree Biden or Harris needs to go Texas
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:56 AM
Oct 2020

And the DNC needs to create a 10yr plan to bring Hispanic and Latinx voters into Dem voters.

Not doing that outreach is a serious error IMO

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
46. No That's fool's gold
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:59 AM
Oct 2020

Better that he focuses on Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida, states he can win.

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Exactly. He should be shoring up states we lost in 2016 and building a bigger lead or....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Oct 2020

...working on states in which he has slim leads.

RCP has trump at +4.0 in Texas (38 EVs). That's a lot to overcome in just 11 days.

On the other there are:

Pennsylvania (20) - Biden +5.1
North Carolina (15) - Biden +1.5
Wisconsin (10) - Biden +4.6
Michigan (16) - Biden +7.8
Florida (29) - Biden +1.5

The last time Democrats won Texas was in 1976. The last time Democrats won won those other five was in 2012.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
53. I agree. Try to improve the firewall instead.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:39 PM
Oct 2020

Don't waste much time in Ohio (ugh), Georgia or Iowa either.

Niagara

(7,661 posts)
51. Joe Biden already had a drive-in campaign in Houston.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:36 PM
Oct 2020

Jill Biden has held get-out-the vote rallies in El Paso, Houston and Dallas, so the state of Texas wasn't ignored.





At this moment, I'd rather focus more on Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida and possibly Ohio.

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