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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiden needs to make a trip to Texas. Period.
There is not much time left. Texas is in play. Don't ignore Texas.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Some say due to Joe's response on ending oil or transitioning away from it has now lost him the state. Last time I checked Texas jobs were not majority in oil but technology.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)won't make it to Texas.
Personally, I feel if Biden does not come to Texas it will be a big fail on his part and could possibly hurt in the end.
Please Joe, come show Texas some love!!
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)He needs to do it now
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)Yes, Joe and/or Kamala should show up at least once and seal the deal. We need to work for it as well. Make calls!
https://events.poweredxpeople.org/
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)and they don't see it will go blue. Soon, but not there yet.
Edit to say, I would like to see him go out there and hang with Beto.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)So it's in play
herding cats
(19,568 posts)I can't verify this, it's just talk from people within the party state level but we're so very close (Beto level close!) just not quite there yet.
I'm holding out for small a miracle this cycle. We definitely deserve one down here by now considering how long suffering we've been.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,063 posts)If it approaches 55% turnout, Biden can win. If its the normal low turnout, especially low Hispanic turnout, Trump will win.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)It looks like it will be better than in 2016 if voting continues the way it has been going.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...that was after Watergate and the Ford pardon of Nixon.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)that took it blue. Around Pantex plant and then with bigotry, the party of racist they switch to be very red conservatives. I am not remembering a lot but there use to be a segment of working class that went blue that are now red.
msongs
(67,443 posts)herding cats
(19,568 posts)I'd deeply like to see an appearance, but not if it takes away from other more likely flips.
I want to win Texas, but I know that's not as likely as other states we need to win. I want to win more than anything and this is crunch time.
Turin_C3PO
(14,063 posts)he focus on Pennsylvania. Hes ahead there but some people have said that Bidens support may be a little softer there than other states. But yeah, I wouldnt mind him taking a two day tour through Texas.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I would think a few hours might be justifiable.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)Need to get back to Wisconsin!
Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)JI7
(89,271 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Let's start in the PanHandle. Amarillo and Lubbock. Head east to Wichita Falls and then on to Denton and south to Dallas.
Head south from Amsrillo and keep on till you hit Odessa/Mudland (most of that territory can be found in the epic movie, "Giant".
Back to Dallas and south. Well, Houston or Austin?
San Antonio........
Then there is East Texas, (a country unto itself). Tyler is good, Nacogdoches, Stephen Austin University...
Houston, Galveston, Corpus Christi......Beaumont
So okay Dear VP Biden, just show up all day, for one day. Anywhere.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)and if TX does not appear as winnable as other states, then Biden likely won't go there.
They probably should concentrate on must win states since there is not that much time left.
Turin_C3PO
(14,063 posts)avoiding Hillarys mistake of ignoring PA, WI, MI. Those are the states he should focus on. Winning Texas, Georgia, Arizona, Florida, etc. would be icing on the cake.
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
LisaL
(44,974 posts)There is a bunch of other states that might be more winnable than TX.
My guess is the campaign wants to concentrate on must win states, or states that their internal polling shows Joe is winning.
As I recall after Hillary lost the election many people got really upset she didn't spend enough time in MI, PA, WI and instead went after states that she ended up losing anyway.
JI7
(89,271 posts)I know he was a shitty President but anything helps and we need to bury Trump.
Even if not him just Laura Bush would be nice also , especially in getting white women .
Chasing Dreams
(415 posts)Yes, Texas is in play.
Yes, visit a couple of major cities while there.
Most importantly, attempt to visit some of those 545 kids separated from their parents. Then spend a few minutes outside the building talking about turning over every stone possible to reunite them with their parents/families. And if the Feds won't let him in the building, even better. This is about reminding everyone -- across 50 states -- how cruel Trump, Cornyn and the rest are.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Monday I drove through Highland Psrk, Republican stronghold. Deep into the heart, residential.
On large corner lots, big signs "Country Over Party"!!
Hello!!
I stand by the Biden campaign needs to steamroll Texas!
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Texas is the cherry on top but given the fundraising advantage Biden has and the fact he has been spending a good chunk of time in the rust belt I say go for it. Make a play for Texas and Georgia, as long as you have taken care of business in the rust belt
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Oh, brother. What state are you in?
Do you have stellar reps like we do in Texas? Cornyn, Cruz, Gohmert and all the rest?
Really, "OH BROTHER"!! NurseJackie??? WTF?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This is not the 1930's. People in Texas have access to TV, radio and the Internet. They know what Biden is all about without the need for him to literally "make a trip to Texas". The Biden campaign (and other national surrogates) are doing a damn fine job at getting the message out.
I'm positive that everyone is aware that time is limited and money is limited. I think we can both agree that he can't be EVERYWHERE at the same time, right? Can we also agree that some events and some locations have a bigger impact on the EC vote than others?
What good purpose does it serve for anyone to be complaining and second-guessing Joe Biden's campaign decisions? It does nothing but to creating the negative (and false) impression that they don't know what they're doing and Texas is being snubbed or "ignored". That kind of negativity creates distrust and resentment. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
Personally, I trust the Biden campaign to make the SMARTEST choices with regard to where their efforts (and time and money) are going to make the most positive and meaningful effect on the outcome of the election. Reasonable people know perfectly well that if the Biden campaign believed for one second that a "personal visit" could turn the state of Texas blue... they'd be there on the next flight. Right?
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)If you did live in Texas maybe you might be more understanding.
Personally been involved politically for 20 years in Dallas.
I was at the rally in 2006 at Lee Park when Senator Biden and Senator Harry Reid brought Obama to Texas and introduced him to us.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I understand enough to know that I'm not smarter than the people who are running Joe's campaign. I also understand that it's not my place to second-guess their decisions, nor is it my place to smear them by insinuating that they're too dumb to understand what they're doing, or what's at stake. I understand that there's ZERO value in trying to stir the pot with the false narrative that Biden is snubbing or ignoring Texas.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)There is almost no scenario where Biden winning Texas decides the election.
So no I think Biden should (and will) smartly focus on the critical states. PA, MI, WI, AZ, FL and maybe if he has time NC, and GA.
Texas is huge. It takes a huge amount of resources to move the vote even 1%. The same amount of resources could be used to pickup 1% in multiple critical states.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Trying for red states was what hurt Hillary.
Make no assumptions about the swing states.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)From now on Biden and Harris will be making trips to states that have nexus on 2 variables: close on electoral, close on Senate.
Today Harris is in Georgia.
Biden would be better served to go to Iowa than Texas. Trump cannot win without Iowa, we need more Senate victories.
You are looking at the electoral college and they are looking at the electoral college and governing. Period.
George II
(67,782 posts)ALL of them already voting for him anyway.
What's to be gained? That will turn Texas blue?
People put way too much importance on "personal appearances", especially in today's political climate.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Thanks for playing though.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,063 posts)Bidens not going to make the mistake of ignoring the upper midwest swing states. That's where the election will be won.
Happy Hoosier
(7,392 posts)But I think he needs to be camping in PA, MI and FL.
TX is more than likely fools gold this cycle.
irisblue
(33,034 posts)And the DNC needs to create a 10yr plan to bring Hispanic and Latinx voters into Dem voters.
Not doing that outreach is a serious error IMO
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Better that he focuses on Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Florida, states he can win.
George II
(67,782 posts)...working on states in which he has slim leads.
RCP has trump at +4.0 in Texas (38 EVs). That's a lot to overcome in just 11 days.
On the other there are:
Pennsylvania (20) - Biden +5.1
North Carolina (15) - Biden +1.5
Wisconsin (10) - Biden +4.6
Michigan (16) - Biden +7.8
Florida (29) - Biden +1.5
The last time Democrats won Texas was in 1976. The last time Democrats won won those other five was in 2012.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)Don't waste much time in Ohio (ugh), Georgia or Iowa either.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thank you, George II!
Niagara
(7,661 posts)Jill Biden has held get-out-the vote rallies in El Paso, Houston and Dallas, so the state of Texas wasn't ignored.
At this moment, I'd rather focus more on Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida and possibly Ohio.