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yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:40 AM Oct 2020

Trump showed his hand too early on mail in ballots.

When people got wind of Trump messing with the USPS they made sure to get around the delays by voting in person early, using drop boxes, or requesting mail in ballots early and mailing them in right away. Trump is now forced to depend on a huge Trump voter turnout on election day which probably will fall short in most if not all of the battleground states. This will be cited for years as "how to lose an election 101."

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Trump showed his hand too early on mail in ballots. (Original Post) yellowcanine Oct 2020 OP
Every instinct he has is wrong. Always. fleur-de-lisa Oct 2020 #1
It's like me picking someone on my fantasy football team. I could probably blackmail those guys. brewens Oct 2020 #4
LOL! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2020 #5
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2020 #8
I hear you. I drafted Saquon Barkley last year and this year. 11 Bravo Oct 2020 #49
for him, the word "instinct" NJCher Oct 2020 #17
Yuck! moose65 Oct 2020 #35
For Trump it's more like "in stink" patphil Oct 2020 #26
In stink... diverdownjt Oct 2020 #58
"If every instinct you have wrong, then the opposite would have to be right" tinrobot Oct 2020 #37
Yup, You're talking about the dumbest human being on the planet. AZ8theist Oct 2020 #52
Thank god he's a moron. BKDem Oct 2020 #65
If he gets re elected... AZ8theist Oct 2020 #67
I hope you are right. Nt helpisontheway Oct 2020 #2
Yup - drove a few million extra voters out to vote early. Including myself. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #3
It influenced my voting method too Cirque du So-What Oct 2020 #10
I live in Florida. I mailed my ballot and checked the government site that assured receipt. olegramps Oct 2020 #15
I dropped it off, then checked the government site to make sure they recorded it as received. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #30
I voted in Walton county, mine is already showing as counted. nt mentalsolstice Oct 2020 #42
Counting began on the 22nd. Start checking. Mine were counted already. Lochloosa Oct 2020 #45
I did the same with my driver's license signature. Dem2theMax Oct 2020 #51
The bizarre thing is that his supporters are in groups likely to use mail-in. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #6
This so much madeup64 Oct 2020 #53
This is true for me. I requested absentee and drove to a ballot box, in years past I would have Happyhippychick Oct 2020 #7
Yes and having an extra week to vote early has helped a lot, too. flying_wahini Oct 2020 #9
I agree Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #11
Fine, but that just means Trump's people are working other angles Auggie Oct 2020 #12
Yup Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #14
I agree with you, and thank dog he did! liberalla Oct 2020 #13
Before Trump starting yapping about the usps Roc2020 Oct 2020 #16
I agree Rice4VP Oct 2020 #18
Not me DownriverDem Oct 2020 #21
The only time that I go to the post office Rice4VP Oct 2020 #27
Which is why DownriverDem Oct 2020 #19
Let them try jonstl08 Oct 2020 #22
Yep, they will frighten their own voters Rice4VP Oct 2020 #28
Yep smb Oct 2020 #38
I'll be there...I wish Michigan had in person early voting like other states Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #63
That last ditch effort probably won't work either.... paleotn Oct 2020 #20
I agree 100% klook Oct 2020 #55
When I read and hear about all the problems and challenges in voting this year, world wide wally Oct 2020 #23
That is exactly how I voted in Oregon marlakay Oct 2020 #39
It seems that Trump received the opposite effect he intended. Americans smelled a foul stench Illumination Oct 2020 #24
In 2016 Trump operated freely, no one questioned "Russia, if you're listening ...." bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #25
This was a factor, but I don't think it is "the" thing that cost him. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2020 #29
I hope DeJoy does federal time. C Moon Oct 2020 #31
💯💯🙏🏽🙏🏽 live love laugh Oct 2020 #32
He & tRump should share a cell. nt Duppers Oct 2020 #40
Stick DeVos in there, also. And Barr. madinmaryland Oct 2020 #46
Definitely. 👍 Duppers Oct 2020 #48
AMEN!! uponit7771 Oct 2020 #59
Exactly. ananda Oct 2020 #33
IIRC, Carville said it last night... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #34
Actually, I think they were surprised how quickly it was all leaked... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #36
With mail-in voting favoring Dems, I hope for terrible weather on election day! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2020 #41
I hope Democrats don't let up. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #43
Which is why I voted by mail. LisaL Oct 2020 #54
I did too, but I'm sure many people... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #56
I take some comfort that is flailing and having to do 30 rallies a day to try to catch up. themaguffin Oct 2020 #44
Mine went in a drop box today. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2020 #47
If his base is waiting for election day to cast their ballots, he may lose a lot of Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2020 #50
Except then , if you don't trust him, you think, maybe he was Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2020 #57
He's used the USPS chaos he created to motivate MAGAts and more racists bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #62
I wonder how many of trump's voters will be sick Ilsa Oct 2020 #60
Judging by this morning's headlines, he created a massive clusterfuck for himself in other ways, too GoCubsGo Oct 2020 #61
The idea of holding rallies where people are jammed in cheek by jowl, Grammy23 Oct 2020 #66
Most people missed it Blue Owl Oct 2020 #64

brewens

(13,582 posts)
4. It's like me picking someone on my fantasy football team. I could probably blackmail those guys.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:47 AM
Oct 2020

Being on my roster almost guarantees a bad year or serious injury.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
49. I hear you. I drafted Saquon Barkley last year and this year.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 05:59 PM
Oct 2020

I'm thinking of asking him for a couple of grand in order to leave him on the draft board next year.
(I also have Davonte Adams and Miles Sanders on my roster this year. Need I say more?)

NJCher

(35,667 posts)
17. for him, the word "instinct"
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:31 AM
Oct 2020

translates to "gut." He thinks he's got the omniscient "gut."

And this is what happens in real life: he fails.

tinrobot

(10,898 posts)
37. "If every instinct you have wrong, then the opposite would have to be right"
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:32 AM
Oct 2020

I think Trump needs to take some sage advice from Seinfeld. It worked for Costanza.

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
65. Thank god he's a moron.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:35 AM
Oct 2020

If he were smart, we'd be in re-eduction camps by now, singing songs of praises written by Stephen Miller.

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
67. If he gets re elected...
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:44 AM
Oct 2020

That may come to fruition. And I will be crossing the Canadian border despite the ban on Americans.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Yup - drove a few million extra voters out to vote early. Including myself.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:45 AM
Oct 2020

I made sure to bypass Louie DaJerk's USPS as much as my state allows (they had to mail my ballot to me, but I returned it in person). I requested it weeks in advance, and returned it the day after receiving it. I did have to practice forging my own signature, because I'm basically incapable of signing the same way twice; had to match my 35-year-old driver's license signature. I spent about a day on practicing.

Cirque du So-What

(25,938 posts)
10. It influenced my voting method too
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:08 AM
Oct 2020

I have mailed in my ballot several times, but not this time after finding out that numbnutz and his henchman were messing with USPS. I voted early in-person at the Board of Elections this time, short-circuiting attempts at election fuckery.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
15. I live in Florida. I mailed my ballot and checked the government site that assured receipt.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:30 AM
Oct 2020

I will check the site to see that it was counted when the count begins. If not counted I will file be able to file a complaint and determine why. I really don't anticipate any problems. But the safeguards are in place to verify. It is absolutely ridiculous that we don't have universal balloting by mail.

One of the major problems with the election system is the control of Federal elections by the states that have been corrupted by crooked Republicans. Let the states control local elections, but Federal elections should be controlled by the Feds, not states.

We need some serious reforms of the entire system starting with laws that prevent the abuse of power by the president. Unfortunately, the Founders, especially George Washington placed a misguided trust in the honor of those elected to office. For them honor was the supreme mark of worth of a person. Unfortunately, many have show to be anything but honorable but to be dedicated contemptable hypocrites, liars and thieves.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
30. I dropped it off, then checked the government site to make sure they recorded it as received.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:08 AM
Oct 2020

I'll check again on Deadline Day (what we used to call "Election Day.&quot Unfortunately, VA only allows the counting machines to be turned on after the polls close (but ballots may be loaded into them in advance).

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
51. I did the same with my driver's license signature.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 08:35 PM
Oct 2020

And I renewed my license about two years ago. My actual signature hasn't changed at all. But when you have to sign it on one of those little screens at the DMV, good luck making it look like it does when you sign your name on a piece of paper.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
6. The bizarre thing is that his supporters are in groups likely to use mail-in.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:54 AM
Oct 2020

That never made any sense to me. The only thing that I could think of is that he thinks that suppressing as many votes as possible is the best strategy, even if "his" groups are adversely affected.

madeup64

(257 posts)
53. This so much
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:07 PM
Oct 2020

Here in Arizona Republicans of a long enjoyed advantage in mail-in voting. This is why even though the state has been long dominated by Republicans we have a fairly good vote by mail apparatus. Because our state has a lot of senior voters who are more likely to vote Republican. Obviously seen her voters are more likely to have physical and pediment that make it hard for men to stand in line and vote the Republicans knowing this pushed for mail-in voting.
How many elderly people are going to want to stand in line in to vote with the the virus raging across the country?
I bet you Jared said we got to worry about mail-in voting and didn't understand anything further about the long-term implications and Trump ran with it because he's a stable genius.

flying_wahini

(6,594 posts)
9. Yes and having an extra week to vote early has helped a lot, too.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:04 AM
Oct 2020


Love that Gov. Abbott was taken to the woodshed by other Rep.s
after he approved it then tried to withdraw it and couldn’t.

Johnny2X2X

(19,063 posts)
11. I agree
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:15 AM
Oct 2020

This was a massive mistake and his campaign has been trying to correct it by urging early and absentee voting in their YouTube ads for weeks.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
16. Before Trump starting yapping about the usps
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:31 AM
Oct 2020

I was going to put my ballot in the regular mail. I put my ballot in a drop box the first day of early voting at the county's most popular early voting site. Line for in person voting at that site was ridiculous. (GA).

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
18. I agree
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:34 AM
Oct 2020

Countless people have told me...I’m voting in person because I don’t trust the mail. The result is 10 hour lines in Georgia

However, people who did want to vote by mail have been quick in sending them in to avoid delays. That’s how Dems have banked so many votes

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
21. Not me
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:37 AM
Oct 2020

We voted in mail in/drop off voting in 2018. I've done it twice and it's worked out fine. We just took our ballots to the City Clerk's office and put it in the drop box. It's already been checked in too.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
27. The only time that I go to the post office
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:00 AM
Oct 2020

is to mail my taxes and that’s a chore. I didn’t trust myself with a mail in ballot. For the first time, Virginia sent applications for everyone to request a ballot but they also had early in person voting. It started on September 18 and I voted on September 21. It took 5 minutes

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
19. Which is why
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:36 AM
Oct 2020

the gun carrying nuts at the polls in Michigan are a losing plan. Millions of us have voted here in Michigan. A few elections ago MI repubs pushed their voters to vote absentee. Since 2018 we have mail in/drop off voting. So will it be mostly repubs at the polls looking at the gun nuts?

jonstl08

(412 posts)
22. Let them try
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:40 AM
Oct 2020

I live in Missouri and we have our share of loons. Going to vote on election day. Was in the military and seen my share of protests overseas against us. Let these people try to intimidate me. They are chicken hawks and will back down when confronted.

smb

(3,471 posts)
38. Yep
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:40 AM
Oct 2020

One look at idiots who shouldn't be trusted with pointy scissors waving guns around and many of them will bail, MAGA or no MAGA.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
63. I'll be there...I wish Michigan had in person early voting like other states
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:26 AM
Oct 2020

But I will say our current SOC has done a great job of making early voting by mail easy.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
20. That last ditch effort probably won't work either....
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:37 AM
Oct 2020

He's been able to get his core demographic, white males without a college degree, to turn out in 2016 and 2018 in numbers not seen in decades. But he's also generated gargantuan turn out in all demographics that oppose him, thus the 2018 blue tsunami. And not much has changed in that regard since the mid terms. Sure, the dumb, racist mother fuckers will turn out, but we will overwhelm them once again.

klook

(12,154 posts)
55. I agree 100%
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 09:40 PM
Oct 2020

Trump generates negative partisanship like nobody I’ve ever seen. Trump exemplifies the famous Tupac Shakur lyric:

“It’s crazy how the hate you give literally gives me life.”


- https://progressivefrontier.com/

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
23. When I read and hear about all the problems and challenges in voting this year,
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:41 AM
Oct 2020

I am so glad to live in Colorado (among other reasons). We have all mail in voting. I got my ballot in the mail and sat at home looking up the various judges and issues at my leisure. Then about 3 days later I brought my ballot to the local drop box where there was no line at all. We don't even have to request a ballot if we are registered to vote and our address is current.
Nothing could be easier.

marlakay

(11,458 posts)
39. That is exactly how I voted in Oregon
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:58 AM
Oct 2020

Would be easy if all did it and on my pamphlet it said my state saved 1/2 million dollars doing it this way instead of in person.

When I read of people having to stand in line to vote for 8 hours it just makes me cringe and angry.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
24. It seems that Trump received the opposite effect he intended. Americans smelled a foul stench
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:48 AM
Oct 2020

in the air...They came out in DROVES to vote!...

bucolic_frolic

(43,156 posts)
25. In 2016 Trump operated freely, no one questioned "Russia, if you're listening ...."
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:48 AM
Oct 2020

In 2020 everyone knew he'd be up to something and all the radar was turned on. He failed to operate in secrecy, and everyone reported everything everywhere quickly.

Democracy dies in apathy, silence, secrecy, fear. You can't have secrecy anymore, and surely not in America.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
29. This was a factor, but I don't think it is "the" thing that cost him.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:07 AM
Oct 2020

Almost 4 years of the most unbelievably terrible governance and a shockingly bad personality were big factors. Still are.

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
34. IIRC, Carville said it last night...
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:19 AM
Oct 2020

If you tell people they can't vote, they will work harder and try like hell TO vote.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
43. I hope Democrats don't let up.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 12:56 PM
Oct 2020

I looked at the latest Covid map for Ohio, and two of the more densely populated counties that are reliable Democratic strongholds are almost at "Public Emergency" level now.

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/10/a-record-38-ohio-counites-placed-on-red-alert-for-cornavirus-spread.html

Meanwhile, rural counties with more plentiful voting precincts per population will probably vote without a care in the world.

I hope these kinds of infection spikes are not a trend in all of the battleground states. We'll still need voters on election day.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
56. I did too, but I'm sure many people...
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:07 PM
Oct 2020

... didn't plan ahead. Ugh.

At least many more Democrats have voted by mail.

The regions with the most infections are the more populated (Democratic) in Ohio, though. I just hope it doesn't help Trump win this state again.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
44. I take some comfort that is flailing and having to do 30 rallies a day to try to catch up.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 01:01 PM
Oct 2020

which also suggests that his cards are played.

I won't rest until

1 Biden wins

2 Biden is in office and the months in-between are not complete scorched Earth

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
50. If his base is waiting for election day to cast their ballots, he may lose a lot of
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 06:22 PM
Oct 2020

votes because of COVID deaths among his cult.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
57. Except then , if you don't trust him, you think, maybe he was
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:28 PM
Oct 2020

Throwing us off the scent? If he pans mail in, then he's pushing us toward machines ( which he has rigged). Or hell maybe it's mail ins he has rigged. Impossible to figure a crazy man out. Just gonna vote and hope it's not rigged.

bucolic_frolic

(43,156 posts)
62. He's used the USPS chaos he created to motivate MAGAts and more racists
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:20 AM
Oct 2020

I still think we'll win, or hope we will, but it'll be a 2 point race in a lot of swing states.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
60. I wonder how many of trump's voters will be sick
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 07:52 AM
Oct 2020

by election day. So many of them have been attending his orgy-rallies, spreading covid-19 like it was the clap.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
61. Judging by this morning's headlines, he created a massive clusterfuck for himself in other ways, too
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 08:00 AM
Oct 2020

The shit is hitting the fan with the pandemic. How many of them will even be in any shape to make it to the polls 10 days from now? All I can say is that I'm glad I voted already.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
66. The idea of holding rallies where people are jammed in cheek by jowl,
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:55 AM
Oct 2020

Exchanging cooties with wild abandon must have come from tRump himself. He has proven himself over and over not to be the brightest bulb on the tree. Leave it to numbnuts himself to devise a plan that almost certainly guarantees a few voters will be sick or dead by Election Day. He comes up with such cockamamie ideas and no one seems capable of talking him out of carrying them out. When the history books are written about this episode in our sordid tale, the historians will probably bust a gut laughing at the sheer stupidity of it all. At least that is how I’m hoping all of this plays out. 😳

My husband and I voted already, too. We had a standing order through 12/31 of this year to get our absentee ballots by mail. (Florida voter.) We got them one day, filled them out the next and my husband took them to the post office to mail. I have since checked and both ballots were received and counted. We had plenty of time to account for any delays in getting them delivered. So much for tRump’s devious plan to screw up mail in voting. He should have just kept his trap shut. I bet he is a lousy poker player, too.

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