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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhats The Difference Between Isis Al Qaeda And The Poor Boys?
Their flags are different.
The only thing.
They are all scum who want to terrorize others with lawless armed gangs.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)Well, Democrats love it anyway. The Poor Boys probably aren't too happy.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)The Poor Boys stand on the corner with Willie, as immortalized by Creedence Clearwater Revival.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)unc70
(6,110 posts)The gay community is already redefining Proud Boys as their own.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,999 posts)AnnaLee
(1,035 posts)And where right-wing evangelicals seem to want to take this country?
Aristus
(66,325 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Its all about terror.
Organized terror.
They simply threaten democracy.
Everywhere.
Mostly KKK with camoflage.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)The Poor Boys do some awful things and they certainly aren't to be admired, but they can't be compared to ISIS or Al Qaeda.
They don't go around destroying historical monuments and priceless works of art.
They don't fly planes into skyscrapers.
They don't push gay people off of buildings.
They don't behead infidels.
There are other differences, I'm sure. We have our problems in America, but when it comes to civil unrest, we don't hold a candle to the Middle East.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Then we will see.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)Trump has wanted to start a civil war from day one, and a lot of these groups, including religious right nutcases, are willing to follow him. I don't know just how far they're willing to follow, though. There's a good chance that they will fold like a cheap suit when the military comes to put them down.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)any less 'awful'. Destroying historical monuments, isn't a bad thing, if those historical monuments celebrate white power, and slavery. They may not push gay people off of buildings, but that doesn't mean they don't kill them. They don't behead infidels, but give them time. God and guns. This country's problems may not hold a candle to the unrest in the Middle east, but our country hasn't been bombed to smithereens by outside forces...yet. People are people.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Congresswoman Jackie Speier: The Base is an accelerationist, paganistic, anarchic group.
Speaker 70: All right. Well, Im out here in Oregon. Uhm, with everything that was going on in
politics and just, you know, the disappearance of whites around the world has really got me going.
Rinaldo Nazzaro: Yeah. Are you uhm... Well whats your ethnicity?
Speaker 70: Im white. I am part Norwegian, part Sweden, and German.
Congresswoman Jackie Speier: They hate Jews and African-Americans. Their goal is to use
terrorism to start a race war and collapse the United States. Triggering societal collapse may be a sick
fantasy, but the reality is that domestic terror has claimed more lives than international terror since
9/11.
Rinaldo Nazzaro: Uhm, alright, so youve been a national socialist for three years you said. What
were you before that?
Speaker 70: Uhm, I was Republican.
Congresswoman Jackie Speier: They arent your parents neo-nazis.
Ecologist: Well, a lot of our guys, we have just a pure hatred for the modern civilization and
industrialization. We wish to liberate ourselves, our fellow whites, and animals from that system.
Rinaldo Nazzaro: How does that work?
Ecologist: Through economic sabotage, such as bombings, arson... uhm.
Rinaldo Nazzaro: Woah, woah, woah woah. Okay. Alright. Slow down there a little bit.
Celerity
(43,330 posts)and Rethug administrations) and others (back in 1977, 78, 79, under Jimmy Carter and with help from Zbigniew Brzezinski) set up a Pan Arabic rapid-reaction indirect force to counter the Soviets in Afghanistan and other hotspots. The files, aka the database on them were kept at the Pentagon.
That is what eventually, 10 plus years later, morphed into al Qaeda, after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, and then collapsed. The US created them, then lost control, as they almost always do when they go into empiric war grand chessboard (which, btw is the title of a book by Brzezinski) mode.
It was all intertwined with the Arc of Crisis theory (light up and destabilise a giant arc from the Maghreb, through Egypt, on into the Levant, and the Arabian Peninsula, plus Iran, Afghanistan, all the way up to the doorstep of Indo-China, with the idea that you could eventually force Russia and China into conflict (that weakened them both massively) within a 50 year time span (from the early to mid 1970's when the Arc of Crisis was first being postulated), plus use the resultants Middle East destabilisation to aid indirect Western control of the oil fields, and thus maintain the petrol-dollar matrix. That allows the US to keep the dollar as the world's reserve currency, and thus have basically unlimited debt/money-printing ability. Zbigniew Brzezinski was a main driving architect of it. Tonnes of books out there about it.
The Arc of Crisis: Its Central Sector
By George Lenczowski
Spring 1979
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/1979-03-01/arc-crisis-its-central-sector
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth