Dear Nance Greggs... come back

[scheming daemons]

DU misses your wit and wisdom.

I know why you left. It almost chased me away too. The anti-Obama trolls and FUDmeisters had taken over DU2.

But Skinner and EarlG have improved DU3... it is much harder to the trolls to get away with it anymore. The spreaders of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) have a harder time getting away with it now.

DU3 is a safe place to be pro-Democrat and pro-Obama again.

And we miss you, Nance.

I know you are still out there.

[Lisa0825]

1. <3 Nance <3 nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I miss her too...

I do see her on Facebook, and sometimes I get to chat with her......

But having her voice here was always such a plus.

Gawd, I miss her here.

[SunSeeker]

17. I'm glad you're still here, California Peggy.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. Thank you so much, my dear SunSeeker...

I expect to be here forever...

[awoke_in_2003]

64. I second SunSeeker...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

76. Aw, thank you, my dear awoke_in_2003...

[awoke_in_2003]

79. No, thank you, my dear Peggy...

too many of the "old-timers" are gone, whether due to leaving because of trolls or death. When I see you, and several others, it reminds me of how great DU was when I started lurking in '02 (officially joining in '03)

[HillWilliam]

113. Hey CalPeggy

Nance and I still exchange PMs on FB but yeah, HillbillyBob and I miss her awful here.

You and I wave at each other there, but I'm pretty sure you don't yet realize who my alter ego is <smile>

[CaliforniaPeggy]

119. You're right......I don't know who you are over there!

How about you send me a friend request?



Then I'll know.

[shraby]

3. I miss her too. She was great!

[juajen]

22. Add my name to the list of people who want her back. It's not the same without her and her

brilliant writing.

[tandot]

4. Please come back

Please!!!

[flamingdem]

5. K&R

[gateley]

6. She is missed. :-(

[RagAss]

7. You made us all a bit smarter, Nance !

[pnwmom]

8. We can always visit her at Democrats for Progress.

www.democratsforprogress.com

It's not like she's closed the door to anyone.

[Hekate]

25. Where she remains an outstanding poster

Door's open.

[LuckyLib]

63. Her recent blog article there is amazing. It should be sent to every

Republican family member on your list. Last sentence:

"You, the Republican Party, have hitched your wagon to an anchor. That was your choice. So please don’t waste our time whining about your fate as you go down. Not only do we not care that you’re drowning – we’re totally enjoying the show."

Vintage well-written NanceGreggs!

[pnwmom]

89. I love that blog article, too. n/t

[secondwind]

87. very true.. she's a great writer... I love Democrats for Progress! :-D

[longship]

9. We love you here, Nance!

Please, come back.

R& "fuckin"

[banned from Kos]

10. Ha! It happened on Kos too. The idiot Bank Griefers almost poisoned the

well for liberals.

They still exist although much of their fury has been found ridiculous.

[Marr]

13. "Bank Griefers"? /nt

[NBachers]

26. Yeah, I had to look that one up, too

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=1&tok=xYfoyFV8Aj1egt1JHBCLjQ&cp=14&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=Bank+Griefers&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&oq=Bank+Griefers+&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9d15ebf0e386332d&biw=1600&bih=1017

Well shit, that just puts you on the generic Google page. Just punch in Bank Griefers

[bleever]

11. Hey Nance and

that guy, whassisname, oh yeah JeffR...

Come hang here.

To quote an old Banana Flair Pen commercial: we miss your face.

[awoke_in_2003]

68. No one did the DUzy Awards...

like JeffR

[George II]

12. I never realized that she was gone........

...because I too disappeared for a couple of years because this place was becoming an anti-Obama and anti-Democrat site. I returned about a month ago after a long hiatus and agree it has changed for the better.

And I used to LOVE her posts and essays - they were the best on this site.

Hope she comes back.

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. It has gotten a bit better. I think some high profile PPR's made it safe for some old timers.....

to test the waters again. There's still a small cadre, but it's election season, and they can't dampen our spirits. I sure hope Nance & JeffR see fit to re-join us. Welcome Back.

[msanthrope]

30. You Better Believe It. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. !!!

[Bobbie Jo]

91. ....and of course

the remainder of the pack couldn't resist dumping all over this thread.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. "This is why we can't have nice things." Hey, it's what bullies do.

And they're usually the first to cry bully. Bill Clinton said it best. "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did". They've made DU suck for quite some time now. The filth that gets dragged back here from their "quiet rooms" at OET are divisive and inciteful.

[dionysus]

14. +10000

[Chipper Chat]

15. Mega dittos.

That should get your attention Nancy!

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. I co-sign this request. We miss you Nance.

[Oldtimeralso]

19. Nancy You Are Missed!

Your wisdom and wit would help not just us that had the opportunity to read your essays but there are many new members who would enjoy your POV. I am asking you to come back especially since DU now has a successful jury procedure.

[rationalcalgarian]

21. Loves me some Nance!

Reading your posts and thinking "Damn! That's what I was thinking but couldn't find the words!" or "Nailed it!"

Looking forward to the next Nance Rant!

[ibegurpard]

23. no thanks

we have enough partisan police on here already

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. "Trash Thread" and/or "Ignore" is your friend. You seem to be in a serious minority anyhoo.

[leftstreet]

52. +1

[kurtzapril4]

105. +1, ibegurpard

[Union Scribe]

112. And enough italics. nt

[Brickbat]

135. Hee!

[Scurrilous]

24. K & R

[4_TN_TITANS]

28. I've always considered her our modern day

Ann Richard or Molly Ivans. Women like that are truly the life of the Party.

[OneGrassRoot]

29. Yes. :) n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

69. Good comparisons...

and I miss those ladies greatly, too.

[Happyhippychick]

31. I miss her terribly.

Please come back!

[MelissaB]

32. I really miss seeing her here.

It would be great to have her back.

[malaise]

33. +1,000

I miss both Nance and Jeff

[GoneOffShore]

40. So do I.

[Bobbie Jo]

34. Yes!

Truly missed. DU hasn't been the same without her.

[immoderate]

35. Yes! Big fan here.

--imm

[quinnox]

36. Ugh

I'll reserve a spot on the ignore list if she does, it will be well deserved.

[Logical]

37. Isn't this lounge shit?

[GoneOffShore]

39. Uh - no.

Haven't you read Nance's stuff?

[Logical]

43. Not really. And why would you want someone back who quit? n-t

[GoneOffShore]

44. Because Nance contributed a lot here.

Peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

[Logical]

45. LOL, are you her sister or brother? Maybe quitting was for the best. n-t

[GoneOffShore]

46. I see exactly where you're coming from.

And can guess where you've been and go back to frequently to brag.

[Logical]

47. Wow, that makes no sense. But I assume you know that. Well, maybe you are Nancy, who knows.

[GoneOffShore]

48. Sorry to disappoint. I'm not Nance, just wish I could write as well as she does.

And if you can't figure it out, I'm sure that someone could explain it to you.

[awoke_in_2003]

72. Explaining and understanding...

are two different things

[GoneOffShore]

82. There is a certain amount of thickness there.

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. +1

[Puglover]

80. So if someone doesn't think Nance walks on water

they must be a regular at OET? Not a good Democrat? You just gave a perfect example of why I don't miss her OP's at all. Because (at least to me) most were divisive and had a very off putting scoldy tone. While perfect for the BOG in GD they were flamefests.

She could come back at anytime and that would be great. However when you craft OPs that insinuate other Democrats aren't as good as they could be or that they just don't get it I would think it would be wise to expect some heat. But she always seemed shocked at the push back. Granted as with everywhere else on the internets some of the pushback was OTT and nasty. But it's the internets.

I have not a doubt that Nance is a great Democrat. However I wonder if she would afford me the same courtesy.

[quinnox]

85. yep

No wonder why all the BOG-ers loved her threads. They were always a variation of "Obama is the best ever, and if you don't love him, you must be a traitor or a repub troll!" every time.

If she comes back, she can fill the role of chief enforcer for the BOG, accusing anyone who doesn't worship Obama of being heretical. It's what she does best.

[Marr]

93. Pretty much.

I for one don't miss her crap at all.

[quinnox]

94. likewise n/t

[A Simple Game]

95. She wouldn't afford you the same courtesy. She was the most divisive poster I ever met on DU.

Good riddance. She couldn't take the heat when all her glorious predictions for President Obama failed to materialize, so she left. Good riddance.

[Puglover]

96. Thanks I guess.

But I will proudly and happily vote for President Obama. He has done many many wonderful things. And as far as I am concerned I will never say "good riddance" to a fellow Democrat. I will disagree but saying "good riddance" is ridiculous.

[pecwae]

114. ^This

It has less to do with the former member who voluntarily left DU than with members who are resurrecting PUMA accusations and the ever present "you're not a good Dem because ___x__" crap.

[11 Bravo]

51. Because she was a valued and respected member of this community long before ...

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you decided to "bless" us with your particular brand of wit and wisdom. She is a talented and insightful writer and she is missed by many of us. Now that I think about it, she's the anti-you.

[awoke_in_2003]

74. +1000. nt

[grantcart]

56. You certainly have an aggressive tone for someone who has been here a relatively short

period of time.

To answer your question at various times there have been random polls at DU on who people thought was the most influential DUer.

Nance would almost always top those polls but would never place lower than 5th.

Her partner in crime, Jeff is an equally talented contributor and for years quietly and selflessly produced the DUzy awards every week.

As to the circumstances why some people left goes to a more contentious time at DU when high profile supporters of the President were identified by folks antagonistic to the President and hounded. Structural changes at DU3 have solved many of the problems that did exist and some highly volumunious anti Obama posters (and eventually found to be trolls) have left improving the tone.

It is not uncommon for people to find DU so engaging that they get overcommitted and burn out and need to step away. Those that made positive contributions, like Nance and Jeff, are always encouraged to come back and resume their DU careers.

Fortunately there are some folks from her new home that post here as well so we continue to get her wisdom on our pages on a regular basis.

[harmonicon]

60. No, it's Meta-discussion shit and shouldn't be here. (nt)

[GoneOffShore]

81. Why don't you two go over to Meta and have a good chat?

I'm sure you'll get along just swimmingly.

[harmonicon]

109. Well, I do that when I'm interested in threads in that forum. (nt)

[SidDithers]

38. As noted upthread, her stuff can still be read at DFP...

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/tag/nance-rants/

Sid

[cbayer]

41. Even though we seriously butted heads in the past, I think she is (was) a valuable member

of this community and certainly one of the most gifted writers here.

Plus I really miss JeffR and wish he would come and work with krispos on the DUzy's.

[Blue_In_AK]

58. I miss Jeff most.

He's a great photographer.

[JTFrog]

42. k&DUrec! n/t

[drlit]

49. That's why I left, too. I once had well over 2000 postings, now gone. And...

now I want to know what's happening in general, so I'm kinda back.

It's not like I can't fathom why people can be frustrated with any leader, but for awhile there it seemed like people were just magically "hoping for change" without actually DOING anything about it themselves.

President Obama is right. Change is a long process, it's uncomfortable, and in politics it starts from the outside (real people, not politicians) and moves inward. But the inside part -- that has to work individually. And I'd say every day we work on this the way we treat people, volunteer, vote, .... you all know... the stuff we do to affect change comes from out hearts. It's a dance, a partnership, a relationship....

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. +1. Welcome back drlit.

[Melissa G]

50. Come back, please

You are missed!

[Cary]

53. Yes Nance is still out there

It wasn't just Nance. Democratsforprogress.com is a good site. There is room for both DU and DFP. No reason more of us can't post at both sites.

I still really don't understand what happened and despite the fact that I am back here and I am liking it, I still have some hard feelings. I wish I could find a way to get rid of those hard feelings but the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't know how Nance feels but I know I'm not the only one for whom that taste still lingers.

[Tarheel_Dem]

71. Hi Cary. You are indeed, "not the only one". I miss a lot of the old posters who run off, for....

no other reason than they were supporters of our (D)emocratic President. It was unrelenting, and as you say, left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Please post more often.

[Cary]

86. Hola amigo!

Unrelenting. And why? No good reason.

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. No good reason at all. I'm just glad that the worst ones are lying low, for now.

[Mimosa]

54. Wasn't Nance posting from Canada?

Or am I thinking of somebody else?

[DollarBillHines]

55. Yep

[harmonicon]

57. Speak for yourself.

You're not a mouthpiece for all of DU. Members can come and go as they please. If you like a former poster so much, go participate in their vanity website.

[Cary]

59. That's not very nice.

Why is this necessary?

[harmonicon]

106. Why is speaking my opinion necessary?

What do you think this website is for? Do you think it's for ass-licking? If so, I guess I got off on the wrong stop. I thought it was a website for Democratic voters and leftists voicing their opinions.

[Cary]

116. One can express their opinion without being nasty about it.

That is possible.

[scheming daemons]

70. I AM speaking for myself. It is my OP, goofball.

[harmonicon]

107. Well then, here's a pro-tip:

When speaking for yourself, try "I" instead of "DU", because when you use "DU," you're claiming to speak for me and thousands of others who do not share your opinion.

[awoke_in_2003]

77. Right now, I am speaking for myself...

and I say "go piss up a rope"

[Tarheel_Dem]

78. Looks like DU disagrees with you, and the RECS keep coming!

COME BACK NANCE & JEFF!!!!!!!

[harmonicon]

108. Yeah... this is the kind of shit that makes me miss the "unrec" feature.

I was so pleased when that came into being. It meant that I didn't have to see certain attention-whore piece of shit posters' OPs on the front page every day.

"10 doctors agree!!"

[Tarheel_Dem]

111. I guess you probably know from "pieces of shit".

P.S. Up to 154 and climbing.

[harmonicon]

115. Is it tens or hundreds of thousands of registered users we have here?

In either case, I'm pretty sure that a few dozen people isn't a majority of even a few thousand, though it has been years since I took any math class.

[Tarheel_Dem]

125. +163

[leftstreet]

127. Well over half of which no one's ever heard of

bizarre

[Tarheel_Dem]

130. Hey, let's keep kicking it back to the top. Maybe we'll get some more of those "phantom" recs.

[leftstreet]

118. Check Thread Info - never heard of most those Rec-ers

Very odd

[Tarheel_Dem]

123. I'm sure we could build a brand new world with the shit you've "never heard of". Just sayin'....

[leftstreet]

126. Without unRec it's probably safe for her to come back

And now that's she got all these phantom fans...

[Tarheel_Dem]

129. I'll bet if we took a poll, many DU'ers have "never heard of" you until today.

[bunnies]

61. Reminds me... Whatever happened to DSB?

DemocratSinceBirth I took a hiatus and when I came back, DSB was gone.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. If I'm not mistaken, DSB has been posting quite a bit in the Politics 2012 forum.

I could be mistaken, however.

[bunnies]

83. Youre right!

I just did a scroll through the forum and found an OP. Cant believe I'd been missing those posts. Isn't it weird how certain DUers stick in the brain even after long times? Now youre in my brain too. Watch out in there.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. LOL!! Good to see you bunnies.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. I will add my voice. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

73. K&R

And she still does some righteous rants!

Miss ya!

[LittleGirl]

88. Her rants were the reason I joined

so I could tell her - You Go Girl!

Come back Nance. Cheers.

[tallahasseedem]

97. I miss her as well...

and would definitely love to see her come back!

[Tx4obama]

98. Since she posts on DemocratsForProgress it seems it would make more sense for you to post there

probably more of a chance for her to see your post there than here at DU.

Here's a link to their forum: http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/

[Major Hogwash]

120. Thanks for the link.

<--- He's cheering "Go Obama"

[MessiahRp]

99. I find it offensive that if you disagreed with Obama on policies you're labeled as "anti-Obama"

trolls.

Wrong. His cabinet was mostly made up of asshats like Rahm Emanuel. He and his tool spokesmen attacked liberals regularly and left right wingers alone for a very long time. They would leave liberal ideas out of discussions and refuse to give them a seat at the table as they negotiated with absolutely ridiculously stupid methods (STARTING negotiations at Republicans' original demands and walking them back until the RW had won everything they wanted and still could vote against and campaign against it).

They started winning us back when they finally started to realize that as much as they WISHED for the Republicans to work with them, it was never going to happen. So when Obama's team flipped their anger from liberals to Republicans and we started making inroads on removing restrictions on gay couples and of course Obama started campaigning against the insane greed of the top 1%, yeah we all got back on the same page again.

But of course for those that were backing Obama regardless of his policies or the dicks he had on his team (not unlike the blind loyalty many Republicans had towards Bush) WE were the enemy. They absolutely REFUSED to see how we were treated and how Obama deserved scorn for some of his decisions. So calling all of us trolls is total bullshit. Obama came back to us and we rallied around him. If he had never swung to the Center-Right and had his team go after us, we'd have not gone after him. Also we'd have a MUCH better healthcare plan because he would have negotiated it in a smarter way.


Quick sidenote on health care -
As I have said since the beginning: You START at Single Payer and let the GOP get apoplectic at that and when you walk it back to a public option, it comes across as a serious compromise not saying, Oh well let's give them what they want RIGHT AWAY so FUCK the public option and let's give HMOs a sweetheart deal. You can say all day long that HMOs still lobby against it but they'll spend every dime they can to gain ANY advantage that prevents them from paying ANY benefits out. Know what their new plans are? Making you pay for benefits but having super high deductibles and telling people that their new healthcare has more options. I was in a work meeting where we were told the new healthcare plan was on us. We could "CHOOSE to be sick" and if you're at home not feeling well "it's up to you to be responsible and decide whether or not to go to the doctor or ER." They only cover anything once you're past that huge deductible amount and all doctor payments are out of pocket. Keep yourself healthy and you're covered, was their message. And it's likely fully covered as an acceptable insurance plan under Obamacare. HMOs will still scam their way around this shitty health care plan. They can't turn down pre-existing conditions but they will make things very difficult and very expensive with other schemes.

[panader0]

100. DU's own Molly Ivins

Please post here again Nance. There are a lot of new members who don't know you and need to.

[tavalon]

102. I've called her that since the beginning

but I'm not sure DU3 has changed enough. She had stalker haters. Never understood that. We often disagreed after Obama was elected, but I love her writing nonetheless.

[snappyturtle]

101. Nance was a big reason I joined DU....come back Nance! nt

[Lemonwurst]

103. NanceGreggs made quite an impact here

I say little, but I've been here for nearly 10 years. NanceGreggs, Madfloridian and a few others where the first of the more prolific posters I started to read regularly.

I really enjoyed NanceGregg's posts and was sorry when they stopped. But I assumed she had her reasons. I'd be so happy to see here back here.

And if not, at least I hope she'll find out how much of a positive impact she had.

[The Wizard]

104. Nance still does great polemics

You can find her on Facebook, or http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2012/09/28/wha-wha-what/
You don't have to agree with someone all the time to appreciate their hard hitting writing ability.
Nance has a rhythm to her style that makes reading her rants easy.
People don't write because they're happy.

[Scurrilous]

136. Thanks for the link.

[rufus dog]

110. concur 100%

She is a treasure.

[Safetykitten]

117. Oh yes, do please come back Nancy.

We need that extra dose of " I feel good, I got mine Democrats" that give that all so important view of healthcare reform from Canada. It is amazing how the insight of the financially stable "its my way or the highway" points of view are of such clarity and rarely put forth.

How do we survive knowing that we have not had that wisdom of calling people that do not follow and comply with all of President Obama's programs and points of view republican plants? Not house plants, but in some cases yes.

Reading her writing is like meeting Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm at a Cultural Revolution meeting that was held after a weekend bender.

[quinnox]

121. lol, excellent

In that last sentence you wrote something better and with more skill than anything I ever saw Nance Greggs write.

[leftstreet]

122. +1

Thread Win!

(You funneh!)

[great white snark]

124. As if your treatment of Obama and his supporters is beyond reproach.

Would there be any "come back" requests if you went away?

[Tarheel_Dem]

131. "Would there be any "come back" requests if you went away?"

[Rex]

128. Meta material imo.

.

[hifiguy]

132. rAmen to that. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

133. +1

[Tarheel_Dem]

134. Kick for Nance & JeffR