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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInteresting coronavirus map from Johns Hopkins University....
courtesy of BBC:
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As experts predicted and other parts of the world with lower population density have proven, this disease will eventually find you if proper precautions are not taken.
These folks had the very best opportunity to beat this pandemic and are blowing it through complacency, ignorance and denial......and perhaps listening far too much to Republican politicians and/or right-wing media.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)this guy is who they take their lead from over the entire world of science
Doodley
(9,088 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)N Dakota...47,000. daily new cases per 1 M pop.
S Dakota...42,000. " " " "
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Jerry Lee Lewis' "Whole Lot of Shakin' Going On".
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Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)nt
Earthshine2
(4,001 posts)My question is what do people do during tens days of motorcycle rally?
They probably spend a lot of time in the bars and restaurants.
mopinko
(70,090 posts)different story there than those other states.
big population centers, and mid-size towns. not rly that rural.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)thousands of people in Wisconsin take to their snowmobiles and go bar hopping.
I suppose this year it could be called virus hopping.
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progree
(10,904 posts)squeezed hard from all sides (except Canada on the north side). And its been slowing getting to us -- we're #20 in this metric, but rapidly growing - a 43% increase in the past 14 days (a 43% increase in the 7 day moving average as of Oct 23 compared to the 7 day moving average 14 days before).
Table of U.S. states and mini-charts for them all: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
Minnesota: way above its earlier peaks. Also hospitalized up 40% and Deaths up 76% in past 14 days (based on 7 day moving averages described most recent vs. 7dma 14 days earlier) so we're reaping the results of an increase in case counts that has been going on since mid-September
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/minnesota-coronavirus-cases.html
But Canada actually started their surge a couple of weeks ago.
progree
(10,904 posts)7 days, vs. Minnesota at 186 new cases per 100K.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/canada/canada-coronavirus-cases.html
Unfortunately I see that Canada overall is setting almost daily 7-day-moving-average all time highs in new cases, well above the first wave's peak in early May
progree
(10,904 posts)50 states' minicharts "map" page, alternative to the NY Times from John Hopkins University
The below "map" of the 50 states' minicharts (which are scaled by daily new cases PER CAPITA), is from the John Hopkins U. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states -- at that page you can click on individual states on the "map". Showing 3-day moving average of new cases. I prefer the nytimes' charts which are 7 day moving averages)
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)We're fortunate to have some good statistical heads here on DU!
This is one of my favorite sources where I can see what's happening in any county in the U.S.:
United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker
Link: https://infection2020.com/
In the states list on the lower left, click on the > symbol to reveal a list of counties for each state. A downloadable graph for both cases and deaths is available for each county.
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BainsBane
(53,032 posts)That's why we're doing better relative to our neighbors.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)We have one here in KY for indoor commercial activities, with the state health department providing enforcement. However, someone must file a complaint on-line to request a check on violations, which many people won't do.
I don't feel we yet have the overall public will to bring this disaster under control, with too damn many Trump-worshiping rebels.
Regardless, congratulations on your success!
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progree
(10,904 posts)People actually get surgery to get a mask permanently attached so that it can never happen to them.
Actually its a complicated subject, it's not really enforced, certainly not on the streets (where its not required anyway) and generally not on public transit, though some drivers will make an issue of it, but are directed not to. MetroTransit has said masks are mandatory, but that drivers are not compliance officers.
Individual stores and businesses will generally require masks on entry, but that's not always enforced if someone gives a bullshit reason for being exempt for medical reasons.
Minneapolis closed off its bar areas in late July -- one cannot stand at or sit at the bar, one must sit at a table. (I know that doesn't have anything to do with masks). For the rest of the state, its 50% occupancy limit in bars and restaurants (I know, not very tight). How well that's enforced, I dunno, I've gotten pickup/takeout, but would only do so during off-peak times.
In grocery stores where I shop, it is very rare to see someone not wearing a mask.
Our "success" is only relative to our horribly awful U.S. neighbors. We are #20 in daily new cases per capita, in other words, somewhat worse than the median. And our new cases and hospitalizations and deaths are growing rapidly.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Just occurred to me we have a similar problem of our major cities sitting on the border with red states, where there will be a lot of travelers each day between states for jobs. This is the price we pay for not having uniform policy and enforcement in the U.S., and a federation of states that cling to their independent powers even in the face of a pandemic.
From the exposure I've had to Minnesotans, I suspect you relative success is due to overall better attitudes about the public good than some of your neighbors. You're also fortunate to have a partial border with Canada.
Funny what you said about the lutefisk. Although I've never eaten any, it made me recall one of my service job trips to International Falls in the dead of winter, where the fish on restaurant menus were creatures I had never heard of, being originally from the South.....
Also learned why all the parking spots in the plant I worked at had electrical outlets!
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)But Minnesotans being Minnesotans just do as we're told.
Outstate in Trump country they may not be observing it so well. I don't know because I haven't been there in recent months.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Who knew?
moonscape
(4,673 posts)the advantage of such low population density and could be sitting pretty if only they believed in science and had a human being for a president.
progree
(10,904 posts)A Wisconsin appeals court on Friday temporarily blocked Gov. Tony Evers restrictions on indoor public gatherings pending appeal, dealing the Democratic governor a setback in his efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
Evers administration issued an emergency order on Oct. 6 limiting the size of indoor public gatherings to 25% of a building or rooms capacity or 10 people in places without an occupancy limit until Nov. 15.
This week, the state was fourth in the nation in most new cases per capita over the last two weeks with nearly 757 cases per 100,000, according to Johns Hopkins University. Health officials said the states hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients.
But the powerful Tavern League of Wisconsin argued the capacity limits amount to a de facto closure order for bars and restaurants and filed a lawsuit seeking to strike down the order. A Sawyer County judge on Oct. 14 blocked the order, but a Barron County judge reinstated it five days later.
A little more: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/10/23/appeals-court-stays-wisconsin-gov-evers-limits-on-gatherings/
About 4 months ago, the RW Wisconsin Supreme Court blocked Governor Evers's (D) stay-at-home orders. The recent (Oct. 6) 25% order was a last gasp attempt to do something about the soaring pandemic there, though fully aware that it will eventually get challenged before the RW Wisconsin Supreme Court - or at least that's my reading of the situation.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)from what I recall of Wisconsinite's ingrained love for drinking beer, it will be very difficult to shift that culture. Unfortunately, it will get much worse in winter months.
I seems now that every area in our nation must decide just how much pain they can endure before making necessary changes to flatten and downturn those curves.
A sea-change in attitudes in the hard right-wing would make a tremendous difference toward that goal but I don't see it happening before most businesses are closed due to high disease rates. What a damn shame.
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