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luv2fly

(2,703 posts)
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 08:50 AM Oct 2020

Senate "rules" *cough cough

So on Thursday the Senate Judiciary Committee unanimously approved Trump’s SCOTUS nominee during a hearing boycotted by Democrats. This vote violated committee rules requiring the presence of at least two members of the minority party.

How is this okay? What are the rules for if violating them is simply okay? Any repurcussions for this violation aside from our collective moaning?

Rules my ass. More like suggestions.

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Senate "rules" *cough cough (Original Post) luv2fly Oct 2020 OP
Obviously, the rules only apply to Democrats. FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #1
Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #6
The Senate loves their rules until they don't Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #2
Thr Republican Party has become corrupt and lawless Captain Zero Oct 2020 #4
Not just crushed but exposed Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #5
I doubt the rules were written to allow the opposing party to protest and stop nominations or Hoyt Oct 2020 #3
If the shoe were on the other foot they would stunt like Evil Knievel. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2020 #8
We wouldn't accept it either. Allowing boycotts to stop legislation was not intent of rules. Hoyt Oct 2020 #9
I didn't write the rule, you didn't write the rule. rzemanfl Oct 2020 #10
I know it wasn't written to allow the other party to stop legislation by merely not showing up. Hoyt Oct 2020 #11
It's a Judiciary Committee Rule. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2020 #12
Still wasn't written to allow other party to stop nominations by not showing up. Hoyt Oct 2020 #13
It may have been written back when there was a functioning two-party system. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2020 #14
The shoe has been on the other foot FBaggins Oct 2020 #22
Different times. We used to have a functioning Congress. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2020 #24
Don't be ridiculous FBaggins Oct 2020 #26
The pot was stirred and left on the stove. Watch for a PM. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2020 #27
"Stirred and left on the stove" FBaggins Oct 2020 #30
Maybe once we take the Senate they can use the rule breaking to invalidate the confirmation cags Oct 2020 #7
Why wishful Iwasthere Oct 2020 #16
Really? dware Oct 2020 #17
Where does it say they can push through the nomination without the required two Dems Iwasthere Oct 2020 #19
Again, I ask, dware Oct 2020 #20
There are no "required Dems" in the Constitution FBaggins Oct 2020 #21
Thank you for saying this. dware Oct 2020 #23
Could this be a justification for impeachment if a nominee is approved by an improper process? n/t rainin Oct 2020 #15
Ok, she's impeached by the House, now what? dware Oct 2020 #18
Is that a yes, if we gain control of the Senate? rainin Oct 2020 #28
It takes 67 Senators to vote to convict and remove her, dware Oct 2020 #29
It is not OK malaise Oct 2020 #25
But yet it happens luv2fly Oct 2020 #31

Buckeyeblue

(6,419 posts)
2. The Senate loves their rules until they don't
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 08:52 AM
Oct 2020

Much like white, wealthy males. They spout the rule of law but have no intention of following them.

Buckeyeblue

(6,419 posts)
5. Not just crushed but exposed
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:01 AM
Oct 2020

They hate 98% of the public. We need to show how corrupt and criminal they are.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I doubt the rules were written to allow the opposing party to protest and stop nominations or
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 08:55 AM
Oct 2020

legislation.

Don't support Barrett, but don't think such stunts in the normal course of legislating should be allowed to shut things down. I realize this is not the normal course, but it's what we've got until trump is beaten, hopefully badly.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. We wouldn't accept it either. Allowing boycotts to stop legislation was not intent of rules.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:38 AM
Oct 2020

rzemanfl

(31,447 posts)
10. I didn't write the rule, you didn't write the rule.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:57 AM
Oct 2020

I don't know its intent, but you do. Okay.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. I know it wasn't written to allow the other party to stop legislation by merely not showing up.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:00 AM
Oct 2020

We wouldn't have Social Security, Civil Right Act, Medicare, ACA, etc., if that were the case.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Still wasn't written to allow other party to stop nominations by not showing up.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:04 AM
Oct 2020

FBaggins

(28,718 posts)
26. Don't be ridiculous
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:51 AM
Oct 2020

You can’t define “functioning two party system” or “functioning Congress” as “no matter what... the minority can block the majority if they think it’s important enough”

The majority used their power to achieve something they wanted... including the ability to change the rules if they felt the minority was abusing them (and specifically in the context of judicial appointments). The impact of those changes years ago (that many of us opposed) is what got us where we are today.

The rule in question exists to keep the majority from doing business when the minority isn’t even around to know that it’s happening. They can’t call a meeting in the middle of the night and not invite the minority. It was never something that could block action that the minority knew about and could have participated in.

FBaggins

(28,718 posts)
30. "Stirred and left on the stove"
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:07 PM
Oct 2020

Nice illustration.

Closer to "dropped in a pinless hand grenade and stirred"... but yep.

cags

(1,914 posts)
7. Maybe once we take the Senate they can use the rule breaking to invalidate the confirmation
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:33 AM
Oct 2020

Wishful thinking?

dware

(18,165 posts)
17. Really?
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:56 AM
Oct 2020

Where in the Constitution does it say that a Congress can nullify a sitting SCJ?

dware

(18,165 posts)
20. Again, I ask,
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:06 AM
Oct 2020

where in the Constitution does it give the Congress the power to nullify a sitting SCJ?

FBaggins

(28,718 posts)
21. There are no "required Dems" in the Constitution
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:30 AM
Oct 2020

There’s no requirement that the Judiciary Committee have a vote at all.

dware

(18,165 posts)
23. Thank you for saying this.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:33 AM
Oct 2020

I really wish people would understand this and not call for unrealistic solutions.

rainin

(3,246 posts)
15. Could this be a justification for impeachment if a nominee is approved by an improper process? n/t
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:11 AM
Oct 2020

dware

(18,165 posts)
18. Ok, she's impeached by the House, now what?
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:58 AM
Oct 2020

Where do you see 67 Senators voting to convict and remove her?

dware

(18,165 posts)
29. It takes 67 Senators to vote to convict and remove her,
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:44 PM
Oct 2020

even if we would win all Senate seats up for re-election this year, we would still be far short of the 67 votes needed.

luv2fly

(2,703 posts)
31. But yet it happens
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:20 PM
Oct 2020

Sorry, wanted to get on earlier to see why others said but long day. Anyways it's not okay, like so many other things the Orange Anus' regime does, yet it is happening. Ought not the Dems be the ones screaming from the highest rooftops? Is there no one that can enforce these "rules?

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