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LAS14

(15,506 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:17 AM Oct 2020

We should use the Defense Production act to ramp up production of N95 masks until..

... everyone who wants one (or more) can get them. Why is nothing said about this?

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We should use the Defense Production act to ramp up production of N95 masks until.. (Original Post) LAS14 Oct 2020 OP
Biden talked about using it for more PPE in a speech this week. I agree with you. I hope he does it mucifer Oct 2020 #1
Let's hope President Biden will do this. murielm99 Oct 2020 #2
I'm sure Biden will do that and everything else that a nation can do to KPN Oct 2020 #3
Agreed - I have been saying this... consider_this Oct 2020 #4
Simple cloth masks are effective in non ICU environments grantcart Oct 2020 #5
Cloth masks protect others, N95s ptotect you Bobstandard Oct 2020 #6
I believe the KN95's are a decent replacement Shermann Oct 2020 #7
I think KN95's are better than cloth but not as good as N95 helpisontheway Oct 2020 #9
Deliberate to ensure spread SheltieLover Oct 2020 #10
I've had no trouble buying N95s online. Liberal In Texas Oct 2020 #8
Are you getting 3M N-95s? SheltieLover Oct 2020 #11
No, I've heard 3Ms are being diverted almost exclusively Liberal In Texas Oct 2020 #12
Ok ty SheltieLover Oct 2020 #13
And I would prefer to buy American made ones. Liberal In Texas Oct 2020 #16
Absolutely! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #18
always good to check the NIOSH website DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #14
The problem is the material used in N95's is difficult to make DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #17
Ty, Beagle! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #19
That I don't know DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2020 #22
Ty! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #23
That's why we have to launch a "fly to the moon" effort. Come up with different... LAS14 Oct 2020 #25
This should have been done seven months ago....at least spanone Oct 2020 #20
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #24
The saddest thing in this whole saga is 3M was begging for this in January judeling Oct 2020 #21

mucifer

(25,666 posts)
1. Biden talked about using it for more PPE in a speech this week. I agree with you. I hope he does it
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:22 AM
Oct 2020

In his speech it was about healthcare PPE

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
2. Let's hope President Biden will do this.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:22 AM
Oct 2020

We can save many lives if everyone wears a mask. This how much more effective N95 masks would be on everyone who wants them.

KPN

(17,376 posts)
3. I'm sure Biden will do that and everything else that a nation can do to
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:34 AM
Oct 2020

maximize every Americans’ ability to be safe, healthy and survive through this totally unnecessary epidemic.

consider_this

(2,847 posts)
4. Agreed - I have been saying this...
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:39 AM
Oct 2020

multiple times here. The best thing about EVERYONE having N95 is that those mask protect the wearer - so even with the maskless selfish jerks running around, those who do care can care for their own health to a greater extent.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. Simple cloth masks are effective in non ICU environments
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 09:39 AM
Oct 2020

The problem is people not wearing them.

Last Wal-Mart I went to 1/3 were not wearing masks including 5 different idiots who were not wearing masks but were wearing side arms.

Tough to get anything done when you have 40 million hardcore idiots.

Bobstandard

(2,297 posts)
6. Cloth masks protect others, N95s ptotect you
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 10:01 AM
Oct 2020

There’s a big differebetween the two. By now we should all have access to N95s. It’s just another trump failure

Shermann

(9,062 posts)
7. I believe the KN95's are a decent replacement
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 10:33 AM
Oct 2020

Not sure though. The MSM coverage really blows. How can they hammer on MASKS MASKS MASKS and never discuss the KN95's?

There is a difference in these masks, and small differences add up.

helpisontheway

(5,378 posts)
9. I think KN95's are better than cloth but not as good as N95
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 10:42 AM
Oct 2020

I have stocked up on KN95’s. I love them because it is easy to breathe. If I go to the store or something I wear my KN95 mask and sometimes a disposable type (or buff) over it. I have a few N95’s set aside for dr appointments. I have ton of disposable ones that I tend to wear outside during my walks (my mask is on a lanyard so I pop it up and down if someone comes near me).

Liberal In Texas

(16,269 posts)
8. I've had no trouble buying N95s online.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 10:40 AM
Oct 2020

And I've also noticed KN95s are available. (The difference is the KNs meet Asian standards, the Ns US. The KNs are probably just as effective.)

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
11. Are you getting 3M N-95s?
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:00 AM
Oct 2020

I can't find them for a decent price.

I bought a box of 50 for $30 in Feb. Identical package was $750 on ebay last I looked.

Liberal In Texas

(16,269 posts)
12. No, I've heard 3Ms are being diverted almost exclusively
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:08 AM
Oct 2020

to the medical field. Mine came from a distributor in Houston that imports them from China. They are NIOSH certified (and the Chinese manufacturer is on listed on the NIOSH website.)

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
13. Ok ty
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:11 AM
Oct 2020

This really makes me angry!

Defense production act would have ensured PLENTY FOR ALL AMERICANS!

Liberal In Texas

(16,269 posts)
16. And I would prefer to buy American made ones.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:24 AM
Oct 2020

But like almost everything else, we've allowed companies to move production to China and elsewhere. But that's another rant.

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
18. Absolutely!
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:32 AM
Oct 2020

Sorry I didn't mean my rant to be directed at you.

Putin's puppet is causing this!

Response to LAS14 (Original post)

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
17. The problem is the material used in N95's is difficult to make
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:24 AM
Oct 2020

The machines required to produce the material are all running at capacity. New machines can take 9-12 months to just to build them, though I have read more recently that they can now get machines made in 6 months, with another month required to assemble them, and another month after that to calibrate and certify that the material they make meets standards.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/n95-mask-shortage-melt-blown-filters/]

"There are only five or six companies across the globe that make these machines, and they're not inexpensive. These are sizable machines, a lot of technology, a lot of air handling, a lot of electronics, a lot of precision moving parts," Rousse said. "Normally it's nine to 12 months before you could get a machine delivery."


This article says 9-12 months, I've seen a more recent article, that I can't find at the moment, say they can get it down to 6 months.
Unfortunately, throwing money at something can only speed things up so fast, especially when it comes to precision stuff like this. Some things can't just be rushed. Better to spend 2 extra months getting it right, then rushing it through in a few months only to find out something got messed up along the way and now it all needs to get disassembled and redone.

Clearer leadership and federal money would definitely help since new production lines for N95's would take significant investment. The machines cost as much as $5 million. Between that cost plus the long lead time, few companies have the cash or want to take the risk of investing millions on something that may have a short term demand. A vaccine could be out next year which could kill the demand for masks.

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
19. Ty, Beagle!
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:35 AM
Oct 2020

But are more machines ccurrently being built??? Guessing not.

Defense Production Act could have ensured this action, but not with putin puppet illegally occupying the WH!

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
22. That I don't know
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:51 AM
Oct 2020

I remember hearing 3M and I think another domestic manufacturer had their production lines running 24/7 back in early April. But I believe the overwhelming bulk of this material was produced overseas, like in China, Taiwan, etc, and I know Taiwan halted export of the material early on.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
25. That's why we have to launch a "fly to the moon" effort. Come up with different...
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 12:06 PM
Oct 2020

... ways of manufacturing masks that are just as good. Bring to bear the kind of scientific breakthroughs that let us develop a COVID vaccine within months, not years. Take this on like it was WWII.

SheltieLover

(80,442 posts)
24. Absofuckingloutely!
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 12:00 PM
Oct 2020

Unless one's agenda is to kill & sicken as many as possible!

Looking at pumpkinhead shitstain.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
21. The saddest thing in this whole saga is 3M was begging for this in January
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 11:41 AM
Oct 2020

By early January they were bringing their slack online and doubling their production and reached out for supply and distribution chain help and were rebuffed. By February they had already put in place plans to ramp production from 14million a month to 95million and reached out again. Instead they got into a distribution fight with Kushner as he tried to stop 3M from supplying Canada from the US. At that time 3M was importing more then that from Asia as those facilities got huge government support.

Far from even just neglect the administration actually set back production.

So you know haw at least that came out. Rumor has it the Roman (3M) told Navarro that fine he'd just import through Vancouver and let Navarro deal with it. So the situation got resolved in a totally Trumpian way: 3M did nothing different, Trump announced he invoked the Defense Production Act and 3M got awarded a DOD contract for their already announced production goals.

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