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Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 03:48 PM Oct 2020

Regarding Adding Seats to the Supreme Court

In general I support the idea that Democrats should add 2 seats to the Supreme Court to make up for Senate Republicans' dishonesty and acting in bad faith.

I'm not worried that Republicans will do the same when they get a chance because after Trump I don't think they will be in a position to control both the Presidency & The Senate for many years.

However, I do have 1 concern and that's the 2022 midterm elections. I fear that if the Democrats add seats the Republicans will be highly motived to vote and 2022 could be a repeat of 1994 or 2010.

I think the Democrats should first look for alternatives to adding more seats. You also have the fact that Alito and Thomas are in their 70's. The Democrats will be in a position eventually to appointment their replacements. Relative to the entire term of a Supreme Court Justice it's not very far off.

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Regarding Adding Seats to the Supreme Court (Original Post) Tony_FLADEM Oct 2020 OP
The court has had the same number of seats since the 1800s Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #1
I brought up earlier today pushing through Thomas and/or Alito exboyfil Oct 2020 #2
Look At The 2022 Senate Map -- The GOP Is Big-Red-Superman-"S" Screwed smb Oct 2020 #3
I think that they should go big. Beakybird Oct 2020 #4
It has been suggested..a law requiring a 7-2 majority to overturn passed legislation Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #5
I like that a whole whole lot more than adding seats Amishman Oct 2020 #9
You can't make a law reigning in the Supreme Court...separate but equal branch. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #17
i think they should add 2 asap and im surprised trump et al havent tried to do it before now.. samnsara Oct 2020 #6
I prefer reducing it to 7 members. Last hired, first fired. That would eliminate.... yep, works. n/t TygrBright Oct 2020 #7
I'm good with that. I came up with a hybrid plan. Increase the court size to 15, with 9 serving alwaysinasnit Oct 2020 #8
I like the idea of separating certiorari from the hearing panel. n/t TygrBright Oct 2020 #12
How about "no." Yeehah Oct 2020 #13
No we need more justices. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #16
Adding seven LIBERALS would go a long ways to balance the scales. Kid Berwyn Oct 2020 #10
Without two seats stolen, we'd have a 5/4 spilt, which is a MAJORITY. Silent3 Oct 2020 #11
That is what I think too. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #15
There are no other alternatives that would work fast...and unless we deal with this pandemic, Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #14
Give statehood to Puerto Rico and DC. elevator Oct 2020 #18
Agreed. There is no other way, even if we pay a price in the midterms. Blaukraut Oct 2020 #19
We don't know how long it will take to see those retirements peggysue2 Oct 2020 #20
As I understand it, when they set the number at 9 we had 9 circuit courts Bettie Oct 2020 #21

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. The court has had the same number of seats since the 1800s
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 03:51 PM
Oct 2020

The nation and population have expanded greatly in that time. It only stands to reason that the court expand as well. Adding seats can I believe be sold to the public in a manner that makes sense (and as a happy accident unscrews the republican shenanigans).

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
2. I brought up earlier today pushing through Thomas and/or Alito
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 03:51 PM
Oct 2020

replacement before the new Congress sits.

smb

(3,471 posts)
3. Look At The 2022 Senate Map -- The GOP Is Big-Red-Superman-"S" Screwed
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 03:55 PM
Oct 2020

The Democrats are likely to pick up a few more seats.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
4. I think that they should go big.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 04:00 PM
Oct 2020

If the Dems appoint justices that get rid of dark money and gerrymandering, the Republicans will never win back the Senate nor the presidency.

Thekaspervote

(32,766 posts)
5. It has been suggested..a law requiring a 7-2 majority to overturn passed legislation
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 04:01 PM
Oct 2020

And term limits.

Both would dramatically reduce the politicization of the court

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
9. I like that a whole whole lot more than adding seats
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 04:57 PM
Oct 2020

We are running a unity ticket, highly controversial moves like adding seats to the court should not be on the menu if we want to hold on long enough to settle this country down

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
17. You can't make a law reigning in the Supreme Court...separate but equal branch.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:37 PM
Oct 2020

Keep it simple...add four justices. We can do that legally and do it fast. Our country is teetering on a great depression.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
6. i think they should add 2 asap and im surprised trump et al havent tried to do it before now..
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 04:26 PM
Oct 2020

...but we have to have the senate so DONATE DONATE DONATE!

alwaysinasnit

(5,066 posts)
8. I'm good with that. I came up with a hybrid plan. Increase the court size to 15, with 9 serving
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 04:52 PM
Oct 2020

at any one time, on a rotational basis. Additionally, the justices who grant certiorari are not allowed to hear that case. This might help reduce the instances of teeing up cases based on the political leanings of the justices that will hear those cases. Just a thought.

Kid Berwyn

(14,904 posts)
10. Adding seven LIBERALS would go a long ways to balance the scales.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

Since Ed Meese first farted at the Feudalist Society, apart from cutting the taxes for the rich and destroying good governance, all the GOP has done is stack the courts.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
11. Without two seats stolen, we'd have a 5/4 spilt, which is a MAJORITY.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:07 PM
Oct 2020

Merely adding two seats creates 6/5 split, which is still a MINORITY.

A stronger minority than we'd otherwise have, but still what could have been a liberal majority would remain stolen from us.

We'd have to add 4 seats to regain our stolen majority, or institute retroactive term limits, or other possible fixes.

As far as I can tell, adding new seats is the only easily available avenue, with everything else requiring the nearly impossible passage of a Constitutional amendment.

If we try anything of even slightly questionable constitutionality, it will be the 6/3 court deciding upon that constitutionality, or maybe a 6/5 court, and neither will likely to go our way.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
14. There are no other alternatives that would work fast...and unless we deal with this pandemic,
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:34 PM
Oct 2020

or we will get booted out during the midterms...you saw what they did to Obama in 09...nope we need to add four justices. And we also need to expand the lower courts. McConnell stole Obama's picks...so fuck them.

 

elevator

(415 posts)
18. Give statehood to Puerto Rico and DC.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:39 PM
Oct 2020

Four more senators to get rid of filibuster and change the court.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
19. Agreed. There is no other way, even if we pay a price in the midterms.
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:39 PM
Oct 2020

Nothing less than democracy is on the line if the USSC is allowed to stand as is.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
20. We don't know how long it will take to see those retirements
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 05:48 PM
Oct 2020

Think it will come down to whether Republicans continue their endless obstructionism and/or throwing everything to the courts for a decision. If they continue to block, even as the minority, then we're ready for a rules change and/or expansion of the courts. As Joe Biden has said the courts at the moment are out of whack and very much politicized.

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
21. As I understand it, when they set the number at 9 we had 9 circuit courts
Sun Oct 25, 2020, 06:10 PM
Oct 2020

so raising it to 13 would be in line with the reasoning.

Frankly, I think it should be much larger, so that three panels of 7 or 9 justices can hear cases. They could be randomly placed on panels for cases.

We have a lot more population than we did when the limit was last evaluated and a lot more cases to be considered.

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