Outrage over Macron's remarks on Islamists mounts in Muslim world

[JI7]

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2020, 09:05 AM - Edit history (2)

I originally posted the article and link below from the daily sabah but was told it was a right wing pro Erdogan source although I thought it still made the Islamists look bad. So I deleted the article but kept the link below and instead am posting an article from the guardian. But there are many articles on this with the same info .



On Sunday, after protests in which the president’s picture was burned and the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, suggested his French counterpart needed “his mental health tested”, Macron also responded.

“Our history is one of a battle against tyranny and fanatacisms. We will continue,” Macron tweeted in three languages, French, English and Arabic.

“We respect all differences in a spirit of peace. We will never accept hate speech and we defend reasonable debate. We will continue. We hold ourselves always on the side of human dignity and universal values,” the French president added.

Turkey, Iran, Jordan and Kuwait are among Islamic countries to criticise the publication of the caricatures, which originally appeared in France in Charlie Hebdo, sparking a terrorist attack on the satirical newspaper in 2015 that killed 12 people.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/26/france-islamic-end-boycott-french-goods-macron-muhammad-cartoons


https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/outrage-over-macrons-islamophobic-remarks-mounts-in-muslim-world

[regnaD kciN]

1. More like "outrage by Turkish newspaper after Macron's anti-Erdogan and anti-terror remarks"...

I mean, I'm as ready to condemn bigotry against Muslims as anybody but, when you're reacting to a radical teen decapitating a teacher, I don't think anyone should be surprised if something stronger than "oh, what a shame" is the response.

[JI7]

3. It's not just Turkey. It's all over the Muslim world with protests

and leaders condemning Macron.

There is more anger at Macron then there was against Trump.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. They Were Angry At The Folks At Hebdo, Too!

Anger and justified anger aren't always the same thing.
Most supporters of PINO are angry about something or other. That doesn't make it justified.

[JI7]

11. This is about Hebdo. Macron was defending the murdered Teacher showing the Hebdo Cartoons

in Class . That's why the teacher was killed .

I didn't say their anger was justified. I'm just saying that the anger is pretty widespread across the Muslim world . It's not just some fringe IMams and Mullahs complaining but leaders of countries .

[ProfessorGAC]

13. I Know

And, I knew where you were going.
I'm thinking Macron can handle himself, and I don't really care what fundamentalist burn be, or political leaders who exploit that fundamentalism have to say.
It's not islamaphobic to point out that the VAST majority of religions don't subscribe to beheading as a solution to insult.
Yet, this happened!

[msongs]

2. the never ending joys of religion nt

[UTUSN]

4. My tally: Pro-freedom/speech, anti-beheading, anti-ERDOGAN ...

[roamer65]

5. Erdogan is a PIECE OF SHIT.

[tritsofme]

6. What nonsense. Macron did not make any Islamophobic remarks.

[ananda]

16. Isn't Erdogan a fullblown fascist dictator now?

I consider him irrelevant.

[Celerity]

18. [phone]

[JI7]

20. I changed the subject line of it which was from a pro Erdogan site

[moondust]

7. Ongoing Macron and Erdoğan tension.

Their exchanges have been going on for a while now. I think it started with Macron's criticism of Turkey's aggressive activities in the Mediterranean.

From September 12:

ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkey’s president has taken aim at France’s leader, following French criticism about Turkish maritime activities in the eastern Mediterranean that have ignited tensions with Greece and the European Union.
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Turkey’s Erdogan slams Macron amid Mediterranean tensions

AFAIK Macron has just vowed to do what he can to stop the kind of radical activity that recently led to a radicalized Muslim beheading Samuel Paty, a French middle-school teacher, for simply covering the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in his class. The French public has been in the streets over the incident so it's not surprising that Macron has promised to get tougher.

[radius777]

8. Macron is simply standing for secular democracy

and resisting the attempts by religious fundamentalists to silence valid critique and free expression.

[Klaralven]

10. This has been brewing for decades

The EU was never going to admit Turkey, no matter how much the US as leader of NATO was attempting to persuade the Europeans.

With Turkey out, NATO is dead.

Europe has been fighting Islam since the 8th Century.

[JI7]

12. But Europe isn't "fighting Islam" . They are fighting religious extremism and France especially is

stronger secular . In fact the divide in Europe is mostly due to non religious v religious(muslims) . It's not a Christian v Muslim thing.

Those cartoons also attacked Christianity and Judaism.

[Klaralven]

14. Turkey is no longer a secular state; it is an Islamic state.

As such, there is no basis for including Turkey in the European Union. The EU already has enough problems with Christian extremists in Poland and other Eastern European countries.

The Greeks and Greek Cypriots are European and they have been fighting Islamists in the 20th Century. Then there was that unpleasantness between the Bosnians and the Serbs and Croats.

[melman]

15. Daily Sabah is a right-wing Erdogan mouthpiece

Daily Sabah has been frequently called a propaganda outlet for the Turkish government and the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).[2][3][4][5][8] It is owned by a friend of President Erdoğan, and part of his daily routine due to favorable coverages.[9]

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Daily Sabah describes itself as "committed to the democracy, the rule of law, human rights and liberty".[11] Despite this official description, Daily Sabah is a mouthpiece of the AKP,[8] and more so a cheerleader for Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the current president of Turkey, and an advocate of Islamism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Sabah

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Overall, we rate, Sabah Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that frequently favor the right-leaning government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing and the promotion of pro-government propaganda. (12/4/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 5/7/2020)




https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-sabah/

[JI7]

17. added a different link but that article still makes the Islamists look bad

[Tarc]

19. Nothing at all wrong with Macron's comments

Beheading people who show images of a prophet is as knuckle-dragging backwards as those here who murder abortion providers. Religious extremism, of all shapes and sizes, needs to be stamped out.