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fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:23 PM Oct 2020

Fmr Fed Prosecutor answers: Can Dump be tried for the COVID deaths he has caused?

Question from Meg #BidenHarris2020 (@mmmMeggie)

Q: I know you cannot answer everyone's questions yet could some attorney tell me is it possible to prosecute trump for all the death he has caused? COVID19 or the families separated from their babies ripped from being breast fed?

Answer from Glenn Kirschner (@glennkirschner2) - MSNBC Legal Analyst, Former 30-year federal prosecutor

A: Yes, my friend. As a former career homicide prosecutor I can tell you that Trump’s conduct fulfills all 3 legal elements of manslaughter. Evidence MUST be presented to a grand jury beginning in Jan. Indictments are sure to follow. For those lost & their families, #JusticeMatters

12:55 PM · Oct 26, 2020

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Fmr Fed Prosecutor answers: Can Dump be tried for the COVID deaths he has caused? (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Oct 2020 OP
Evidence MUST be presented to a grand jury beginning in Jan. Indictments are sure to follow. Botany Oct 2020 #1
+1 Kirschner is part of a citizens' project to clean up McConnell's judiciary. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #6
If That's True, Better Question Is WILL He Be Tried? sfstaxprep Oct 2020 #2
I agree. efhmc Oct 2020 #4
Unfortunately, I share your skepticism. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2020 #26
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #3
Lock him the fuck up malaise Oct 2020 #5
not all ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2020 #7
He should be tried at The Hague for GENOCIDE. roamer65 Oct 2020 #8
This! n/t halobeam Oct 2020 #9
Two Words: Independent Prosecutor. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #10
+1000000 crickets Oct 2020 #20
Anybody know what those three legal elements of manslaughter are? TheRickles Oct 2020 #11
Glen Kirschner is warming up in the bull pen bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #12
isn't a civil lawsuit the way to go ? moof Oct 2020 #13
Civil suits will surely follow convictions Ponietz Oct 2020 #16
Since it seems Trump is in the red, civil lawsuits might never pay off csziggy Oct 2020 #17
trump coordinates with limbaug, who led the effort too call it a hoax and then downplay certainot Oct 2020 #14
Yes! What Trump has done is deliberate negligent homicide. patphil Oct 2020 #15
Regardless of everything that he's done before, if Trump had taken this seriously Eid Ma Clack Shaw Oct 2020 #19
Trump's lack of comprehension of the situation is amazing isn't it? patphil Oct 2020 #24
tRUMP will never see the inside of a jail UNLESS it's to visit his kids. SayItLoud Oct 2020 #18
I don't miss a chance to view Glenn's videos! Have learned a lot watching them. Would imagine Illumination Oct 2020 #21
I want this guy back in DOJ. gibraltar72 Oct 2020 #22
Fat chance. progressoid Oct 2020 #23
For Rs. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2020 #27
First tRump has to infect the court Blue Owl Oct 2020 #25

Botany

(70,552 posts)
1. Evidence MUST be presented to a grand jury beginning in Jan. Indictments are sure to follow.
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:25 PM
Oct 2020

Glenn Kirchner for A.G..

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. +1 Kirschner is part of a citizens' project to clean up McConnell's judiciary.
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:49 PM
Oct 2020

He'd be good for prosecuting these assholes too.

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
2. If That's True, Better Question Is WILL He Be Tried?
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:25 PM
Oct 2020

I sincerely doubt there's the slightest chance he'll be held accountable for a single death.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
26. Unfortunately, I share your skepticism.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:05 AM
Oct 2020

But, damnit, I we still need to demand it. We need to make a lot of noise for the record.

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,389 posts)
7. not all ...
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:51 PM
Oct 2020

He should be fitted with a shock collar. Every time someone gets COVID-19, trumPutin gets a shock; double for each death. Retroactive, too, of course.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
8. He should be tried at The Hague for GENOCIDE.
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 03:52 PM
Oct 2020

Tell me how different he is from Milosevic, Pol Pot or other genocidists.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
20. +1000000
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:41 PM
Oct 2020

Screw his self-pardon or any attempt at pardon from Pence. No part of the Executive branch should be allowed to pardon itself. We need to close that loophole as well while we're at it.

moof

(3,390 posts)
13. isn't a civil lawsuit the way to go ?
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:19 PM
Oct 2020

At what seems like conservative figures, 200,000 thousand deaths x one million dollars per case = 200 billion dollars.

Lets see just how far his fortune goes toward compensating families of his victims.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
17. Since it seems Trump is in the red, civil lawsuits might never pay off
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:33 PM
Oct 2020

Of course, if they win they can attach future earnings so he and his family could never dig their way out of their current hole. There is a nice thought!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
14. trump coordinates with limbaug, who led the effort too call it a hoax and then downplay
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:25 PM
Oct 2020

it's severity and danger. media needs to assume that was the plan from the start. even if trump pretended to fight it in his own insipid and incompetent way limbaugh/talk radio continued with the same plan and would not have without trump/white house guidance.

all those blowhards and radio stations who shouted HOAX in the covid theater need to go to jail.

in 2014 republicans won 9 senate seats by hyping ebola scares in oct - then it all ended after the election.

they learned - pandemics bring out the frightened authoritarian vote and americans have to assume someone convinced idiot trump that COVID could do the same for him. we have to assume he's purposefully spreading it with his rallies. as cases skyrocket and pressure builds to close things down and if he's got a plan to stay in office he will use the national emergency to facilitate it

patphil

(6,196 posts)
15. Yes! What Trump has done is deliberate negligent homicide.
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:26 PM
Oct 2020

The sad part is that he would have been deemed a hero if he took decisive action and actually lead the country through the pandemic instead of pretending it was "fake news", and continually downplaying the seriousness of the situation.
For him it was always something that was messing up his economic numbers; causing the stock market to fall, raising the unemployment rate.
The toll in human lives and suffering never entered into it for him. And it still doesn't to this day.

Most of the deaths we have endured could have been prevented if he had simply told people the truth about Covid-19...a truth he always knew.

Lock him up!

Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
19. Regardless of everything that he's done before, if Trump had taken this seriously
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:40 PM
Oct 2020

and embraced masks, lockdowns and so forth, he could have engineered an easy re-election. He could have been upfront about the need to take an economic hit in order to protect lives, and people would have understood.

Instead, his reaction has proved beyond a doubt that despite his all-consuming desperation to stay in the White House, his malignancy is so deeply rooted that it impossible for him to act decently even for nakedly political reasons.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
18. tRUMP will never see the inside of a jail UNLESS it's to visit his kids.
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:39 PM
Oct 2020

He will pardon himself or Pence will. They will pardon all the kids (and Hope Hicks), if one of the States does get him and he's convicted and sentenced it will be to "house arrest"....His legal residence? Mar-A-Lago...some house arrest!

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
21. I don't miss a chance to view Glenn's videos! Have learned a lot watching them. Would imagine
Mon Oct 26, 2020, 05:49 PM
Oct 2020

that Trump is not the Lone Ranger when it comes to manslaughter. He's had lots of accomplices...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
27. For Rs.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:08 AM
Oct 2020

It's still mandatory for Ds. In fact, we might be about to learn that Ds can be prosecuted for imaginary crimes.

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