Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:33 AM
Roland99 (52,647 posts)
Justice Kagan opinion on Beer Pong's opinion on vote flipping....
Justice Kagan:
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH alleges that “suspicions of impropriety” will result if “absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election.” Ante, at 7. But there are no results to “flip” until all valid votes are counted. And nothing could be more “suspicio[us]” or “improp[er]” than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on election night. To suggest otherwise, especially in these fractious times, is to disserve the electoral process.
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Roland99 | Oct 2020 | OP |
crimycarny | Oct 2020 | #1 | |
Roland99 | Oct 2020 | #2 | |
Duppers | Oct 2020 | #9 | |
Cha | Oct 2020 | #45 | |
stopbush | Oct 2020 | #3 | |
Hotler | Oct 2020 | #4 | |
lagomorph777 | Oct 2020 | #12 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #18 | |
bucolic_frolic | Oct 2020 | #5 | |
shanti | Oct 2020 | #38 | |
RussellCattle | Oct 2020 | #6 | |
Duppers | Oct 2020 | #10 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | Oct 2020 | #11 | |
sdfernando | Oct 2020 | #51 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | Oct 2020 | #52 | |
Gary 50 | Oct 2020 | #7 | |
ananda | Oct 2020 | #16 | |
Cetacea | Oct 2020 | #39 | |
Marius25 | Oct 2020 | #8 | |
lagomorph777 | Oct 2020 | #15 | |
NCjack | Oct 2020 | #13 | |
jaxexpat | Oct 2020 | #17 | |
BlancheSplanchnik | Oct 2020 | #47 | |
NCjack | Oct 2020 | #14 | |
CaptainTruth | Oct 2020 | #19 | |
Roland99 | Oct 2020 | #20 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #22 | |
DENVERPOPS | Oct 2020 | #28 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #31 | |
Illumination | Oct 2020 | #27 | |
Old Terp | Oct 2020 | #21 | |
Roland99 | Oct 2020 | #24 | |
GoCubsGo | Oct 2020 | #33 | |
Roland99 | Oct 2020 | #34 | |
world wide wally | Oct 2020 | #23 | |
LymphocyteLover | Oct 2020 | #25 | |
elias7 | Oct 2020 | #26 | |
LiberalLovinLug | Oct 2020 | #29 | |
Blue Owl | Oct 2020 | #30 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #35 | |
Manifestor_of_Light | Oct 2020 | #42 | |
Manifestor_of_Light | Oct 2020 | #43 | |
GoCubsGo | Oct 2020 | #32 | |
quakerboy | Oct 2020 | #36 | |
COL Mustard | Oct 2020 | #37 | |
gristy | Oct 2020 | #40 | |
moondust | Oct 2020 | #41 | |
MasonDreams | Oct 2020 | #44 | |
Lochloosa | Oct 2020 | #49 | |
katracey | Oct 2020 | #46 | |
Ligyron | Oct 2020 | #48 | |
samsingh | Oct 2020 | #50 |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:23 AM
crimycarny (1,288 posts)
1. What's Beer Pong going to do if Biden is ahead at midnight?
Bet he'd suddenly change his mind.
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Response to crimycarny (Reply #1)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:29 AM
Roland99 (52,647 posts)
2. oh, exactly. Whatever a hypocrite would do, a republican would do.
They're synonymous
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Response to Roland99 (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 05:09 AM
Cha (276,240 posts)
45. A Maggot would do.
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:36 AM
stopbush (24,065 posts)
3. Typical: a Rethug never thinks through what they say before saying it, not even SCOTUS judges.
It shows you what a rank amateur/partisan we have in Kavanaugh. To build his whole argument on a fallacy. Stupid.
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Response to stopbush (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:38 AM
Hotler (9,246 posts)
4. And they are never ashamed of what comes out. nt
Response to Hotler (Reply #4)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:53 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
12. Such as BOOF
Response to stopbush (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:18 PM
Hortensis (51,770 posts)
18. Unfortunately, he knew exactly what he was saying.
His moral and intellectual deficiencies do not include inability to understand ways to subvert elections. He knows he's on the court to override and reverse the will of the people over the last 100 years, and even the intentions of those who wrote the constitution.
As an appellate court judge, CRITICALLY, his decisions were bound by precedent. On the high court they are not. 1930, here we come. |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:42 AM
bucolic_frolic (31,868 posts)
5. I just don't think America will accept truncating the election before all ballots are counted
The American people are angry.
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:10 PM
shanti (21,471 posts)
38. Not this time n/t
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:43 AM
RussellCattle (1,071 posts)
6. Somebody remind the Boofer that Repubs wanted to wait for all the late ballots....
....in Florida in 2000, expecting that military overseas would support Dubya.
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Response to RussellCattle (Reply #6)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:46 AM
Duppers (24,444 posts)
10. My 1st thought. nt
Response to RussellCattle (Reply #6)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:50 AM
Proud Liberal Dem (22,531 posts)
11. That was the first thing that sprung to my mind as well
they were angrily denouncing alleged Democratic efforts to squelch off overseas military ballots, some of which were ultimately counted despite some being questionable. So, I guess Boof "I like Beer" Kavanaugh is basically telling military personnel from Wisconsin that they're SOL if their ballot is late and not counted? Trump is a yuuuge supporter of our military LOL
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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #11)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 10:43 AM
sdfernando (4,220 posts)
51. and do not forget that quite a large number of those
overseas military ballots had NO POSTMARK.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #51)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 11:06 AM
Proud Liberal Dem (22,531 posts)
52. I seem to remember that
The (untold) stories of Election 2000 are really damning. I listened to a podcast recently about Election 2000 that had some pretty wild stuff in it, esp. some of the some arguments Kavanaugh is trying to glom on to
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:44 AM
Gary 50 (333 posts)
7. To disserve the electoral process...
To disserve the electoral process is the goal. To cheat for the Republicans is the point.
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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #7)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:16 PM
ananda (25,935 posts)
16. Yes. And has been since Florida 2000.
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Response to ananda (Reply #16)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:17 PM
Cetacea (7,331 posts)
39. A large box of ballots were not counted in Broward in '18 after being "found" in Postal hub
...and they were postmarked prior to election day.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:45 AM
Marius25 (1,207 posts)
8. So the Supreme Court is going to tell
all states they can't count any votes that are not counted by midnight on election day? My state doesn't even start counting mail in votes until the morning after.
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Response to Marius25 (Reply #8)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:54 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
15. That does appear to be a risk. My state starts counting absentee after polls close.
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:53 AM
NCjack (9,629 posts)
13. Before the Biden Admin pursues the modernization of our federal
courts, I would like a review of the testimonies by the Lying-3 appointed by Trump. Those that mislead the Senate should be quickly yanked out like rotten teeth.
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Response to NCjack (Reply #13)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:16 PM
jaxexpat (3,367 posts)
17. Like that approach, a lot.
And so will a whole lot of other pissed off Americans.
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Response to NCjack (Reply #13)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 08:31 AM
BlancheSplanchnik (20,218 posts)
47. Yes! All of tangerine Idi Amin'a appointments should be yanked.
They’re all rotten.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:21 PM
CaptainTruth (4,631 posts)
19. I believe what Kavanaugh is suggesting violates federal law.
Based on research I did a while ago, I believe federal law requires states to count ballots received from deployed troops & other government employees (like embassy workers) up to 1 business day before the county election canvas, which typically happens 10 days after a presidential election. Meaning, those ballots can be received & must be counted up to 9 days after the election. Second, there is no "result" of a presidential election until the electoral college votes are certified & the Constitution specifies when that happens. This year I think it's Dec 10. |
Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #19)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:27 PM
Roland99 (52,647 posts)
20. CA allows for counting military ballots UP TO 17 DAYS AFTER Election Day (must be postmarked, tho)
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration/military-overseas-voters/military-overseas-voters-faqs
If mailing: Your voted ballot and signed return envelope must be postmarked on or before Election Day and received by your county elections office no later than 17 days after Election Day. |
Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #19)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:31 PM
Hortensis (51,770 posts)
22. Interesting, thanks. Noting, tho SCOTUS is not bound by federal law.
Lower courts are bound by precedent, and the expectation is that challenges to the the laws you mention will be fast-tracked to the Republicans' new 6-3 majority on the high court.
Let's hope early counts will show such a clear win for Biden that it deters them from a judicial coup. |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #22)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:35 PM
DENVERPOPS (6,288 posts)
28. People, you just don't realize
after witnessing the last four years:
The RepubliCONs don't give a shit about the U.S. Constitution or Rule of Law..... Their corrupt, illegitimate, and illegal felonious means will reach a crescendo on the night of Nov 3rd or the next day........ Prepare yourselves for the Corporate Fascist Tyranny/Dictatorship to install itself........ |
Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #28)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:07 PM
Hortensis (51,770 posts)
31. You're right. But until they no longer need to fear the electorate,
they will have to worry about the next election. I was afraid we might have already reached that point, that 2012 might have been our last real one, but no, they still have to fear us.
Further, they plan a calm, nonviolent, "legal" coup accompli, not one with millions of people marching on DC and the federal buildings and state capitals in over 1000 towns and cities across the nation. |
Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #19)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:20 PM
Illumination (2,458 posts)
27. Added to the fact that we're in a g.d. pandemic!...
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:28 PM
Old Terp (464 posts)
21. I like the name Beer Pong for Kavanaugh. Can I suggest Aunt Amy for Barrett?
Response to Old Terp (Reply #21)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:42 PM
Roland99 (52,647 posts)
24. I still prefer Amy Covid. Or Serena
Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:11 PM
GoCubsGo (28,888 posts)
33. Judge Asterisk.
Amy Coat Hanger Barratt.
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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #33)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:13 PM
Roland99 (52,647 posts)
34. speaking of....
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:38 PM
world wide wally (20,970 posts)
23. Logic.
But Justice Beer Pong will still argue with it... Maybe even cry.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:50 PM
LymphocyteLover (3,158 posts)
25. this was in her dissenting opinion?
Kavanaugh's opinion was scary as fuck, and also he lied.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/brett-kavanaugh-caught-lying-in-scotus-opinion-against-voting-access-during-the-report/ |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:13 PM
elias7 (3,263 posts)
26. Flash: IRS changes policy to require forms by April 15
Not postmarked. Let’s be consistent here
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:52 PM
LiberalLovinLug (13,191 posts)
29. "But there are no results to "flip" until all valid votes are counted"
This seems so blatantly logical that a 10 year old could deduce this.
And Kavanaugh's reasoning so blatantly illogical. Actual legitimate votes that simply have not had the time to be counted, can not be "flipped". But.....a candidate's win CAN be flipped to the undeserved one, if those uncounted votes would have decided it for the other candidate. We now have anti-democracy imbeciles on the SCOTUS. ![]() |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:04 PM
Blue Owl (39,946 posts)
30. MKCA
Make Kavanaugh Cry Again
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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #30)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:36 PM
Hortensis (51,770 posts)
35. Love that plan. It might happen if the reason Kennedy retired
right then came out. It's always been highly suspicious, and now he has the threatened persecution of LGBTQ as his own legacy, beginning next month.
But without that huge revelation, Kavanaugh should be investigated for lying repeatedly under oath and extreme unfitness for the judiciary, using evidence from his long career as a dirty political agent, including potentially criminal acts, that'd been hidden by the Repubs. Pretty sure our senators could make him cry much harder just by making him answer the questions in the honest and proper senate hearing he should have had. |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:17 PM
Manifestor_of_Light (21,046 posts)
42. Justice Beer Bro needs to be impeached.
He lied before the Senate in both of his confirmation hearings.
They need to impeach Thomas while they're at it. He lied in his confirmation hearings as well. |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)
Manifestor_of_Light This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 02:10 PM
GoCubsGo (28,888 posts)
32. I think you mean "Justice Boof Douche."
Even PJ and Squee agree on that.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:02 PM
quakerboy (13,332 posts)
36. I M Peach
He lied in his hearings. And he stated that he will not be an impartial justice.
He does not belong on the court. We wont have the numbers this year. But we just might in two years, if we dont just win and pretend that republicans are our friends now. |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:08 PM
COL Mustard (3,511 posts)
37. Bazinga!!!
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:21 PM
gristy (10,613 posts)
40. The adage "the futility of trying to get someone to understand something when their job depends
on them not understanding" would seem to apply here.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:55 PM
moondust (18,264 posts)
41. Sen. Klobuchar on Last Word pointed out
that 20+ states including Kentucky, Kansas, and Texas officially count ballots that are postmarked by election day. She didn't mention that ballots in Texas apparently must be received by the day after the election and Kansas allows 3 days after election day, according to Vote.org. It looks like Alaska allows an extra 10 days and CA 17 days for ballots to arrive as long as they are postmarked by election day.
Seems Boofer Boy may have boofed a little too much of something. ![]() |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 02:29 AM
MasonDreams (748 posts)
44. He should be impeached for attempting to interfere in the election, right now.
You're a judge, not a candidate. You may publicly comment on the merits of a case AFTER it is decided, otherwise shut up.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 08:20 AM
katracey (10 posts)
46. No doubt
I have no doubt, after reading what Kavanaugh wrote, If I were in charge, I would do these several things in the first few day, weeks, etc....in this order....
1. Gather the medical experts, get manufacturing going for PPT, and ANYTHING needed of the front lines, mandate masks. 2. Get the children out of those cages immediately, begin the process of getting the ICE agents to reconnect these families... They have the info, go find them..... 3. Add 3 new SCOTUS justices to bring the court to a 6, 6, 1 setup. |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 09:00 AM
Ligyron (6,540 posts)
48. As long as Justices are being installed solely for their political positions and beliefs...
... it soon will be out turn to do so.
Precedent and all that you know ... |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 10:21 AM
samsingh (16,805 posts)
50. if the votes aren't counted, let's cut the charade. The supreme court is deciding who is president
they've done it in 2000 as a trial run. This will make it final. The US will no longer be a Democracy. It's on the fence right now
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