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Roland99

(53,345 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:33 AM Oct 2020

Justice Kagan opinion on Beer Pong's opinion on vote flipping....

Justice Kagan:

JUSTICE KAVANAUGH alleges that “suspicions of impropriety” will result if
“absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results
of an election.” Ante, at 7. But there are no results to “flip” until
all valid votes are counted
. And nothing could be more “suspicio[us]” or
“improp[er]” than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on
election night. To suggest otherwise, especially in these fractious times,
is to disserve the electoral process.
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Justice Kagan opinion on Beer Pong's opinion on vote flipping.... (Original Post) Roland99 Oct 2020 OP
What's Beer Pong going to do if Biden is ahead at midnight? crimycarny Oct 2020 #1
oh, exactly. Whatever a hypocrite would do, a republican would do. Roland99 Oct 2020 #2
👏 👍 Duppers Oct 2020 #9
A Maggot would do. Cha Oct 2020 #45
Typical: a Rethug never thinks through what they say before saying it, not even SCOTUS judges. stopbush Oct 2020 #3
And they are never ashamed of what comes out. nt Hotler Oct 2020 #4
Such as BOOF lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #12
Unfortunately, he knew exactly what he was saying. Hortensis Oct 2020 #18
I just don't think America will accept truncating the election before all ballots are counted bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #5
Not this time n/t shanti Oct 2020 #38
Somebody remind the Boofer that Repubs wanted to wait for all the late ballots.... RussellCattle Oct 2020 #6
My 1st thought. nt Duppers Oct 2020 #10
That was the first thing that sprung to my mind as well Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2020 #11
and do not forget that quite a large number of those sdfernando Oct 2020 #51
I seem to remember that Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2020 #52
To disserve the electoral process... Gary 50 Oct 2020 #7
Yes. And has been since Florida 2000. ananda Oct 2020 #16
A large box of ballots were not counted in Broward in '18 after being "found" in Postal hub Cetacea Oct 2020 #39
So the Supreme Court is going to tell Marius25 Oct 2020 #8
That does appear to be a risk. My state starts counting absentee after polls close. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #15
Before the Biden Admin pursues the modernization of our federal NCjack Oct 2020 #13
Like that approach, a lot. jaxexpat Oct 2020 #17
Yes! All of tangerine Idi Amin'a appointments should be yanked. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author NCjack Oct 2020 #14
I believe what Kavanaugh is suggesting violates federal law. CaptainTruth Oct 2020 #19
CA allows for counting military ballots UP TO 17 DAYS AFTER Election Day (must be postmarked, tho) Roland99 Oct 2020 #20
Interesting, thanks. Noting, tho SCOTUS is not bound by federal law. Hortensis Oct 2020 #22
People, you just don't realize DENVERPOPS Oct 2020 #28
You're right. But until they no longer need to fear the electorate, Hortensis Oct 2020 #31
Added to the fact that we're in a g.d. pandemic!... Illumination Oct 2020 #27
I like the name Beer Pong for Kavanaugh. Can I suggest Aunt Amy for Barrett? Old Terp Oct 2020 #21
I still prefer Amy Covid. Or Serena Roland99 Oct 2020 #24
Judge Asterisk. GoCubsGo Oct 2020 #33
speaking of.... Roland99 Oct 2020 #34
Logic. world wide wally Oct 2020 #23
this was in her dissenting opinion? LymphocyteLover Oct 2020 #25
Flash: IRS changes policy to require forms by April 15 elias7 Oct 2020 #26
"But there are no results to "flip" until all valid votes are counted" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2020 #29
MKCA Blue Owl Oct 2020 #30
Love that plan. It might happen if the reason Kennedy retired Hortensis Oct 2020 #35
Justice Beer Bro needs to be impeached. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2020 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2020 #43
I think you mean "Justice Boof Douche." GoCubsGo Oct 2020 #32
I M Peach quakerboy Oct 2020 #36
Bazinga!!! COL Mustard Oct 2020 #37
The adage "the futility of trying to get someone to understand something when their job depends gristy Oct 2020 #40
Sen. Klobuchar on Last Word pointed out moondust Oct 2020 #41
He should be impeached for attempting to interfere in the election, right now. MasonDreams Oct 2020 #44
THIS! Lochloosa Oct 2020 #49
No doubt katracey Oct 2020 #46
As long as Justices are being installed solely for their political positions and beliefs... Ligyron Oct 2020 #48
if the votes aren't counted, let's cut the charade. The supreme court is deciding who is president samsingh Oct 2020 #50

stopbush

(24,788 posts)
3. Typical: a Rethug never thinks through what they say before saying it, not even SCOTUS judges.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:36 AM
Oct 2020

It shows you what a rank amateur/partisan we have in Kavanaugh. To build his whole argument on a fallacy. Stupid.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Unfortunately, he knew exactly what he was saying.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:18 AM
Oct 2020

His moral and intellectual deficiencies do not include inability to understand ways to subvert elections. He knows he's on the court to override and reverse the will of the people over the last 100 years, and even the intentions of those who wrote the constitution.

As an appellate court judge, CRITICALLY, his decisions were bound by precedent. On the high court they are not. 1930, here we come.

bucolic_frolic

(54,569 posts)
5. I just don't think America will accept truncating the election before all ballots are counted
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:42 AM
Oct 2020

The American people are angry.

 

RussellCattle

(1,928 posts)
6. Somebody remind the Boofer that Repubs wanted to wait for all the late ballots....
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:43 AM
Oct 2020

....in Florida in 2000, expecting that military overseas would support Dubya.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,939 posts)
11. That was the first thing that sprung to my mind as well
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:50 AM
Oct 2020

they were angrily denouncing alleged Democratic efforts to squelch off overseas military ballots, some of which were ultimately counted despite some being questionable. So, I guess Boof "I like Beer" Kavanaugh is basically telling military personnel from Wisconsin that they're SOL if their ballot is late and not counted? Trump is a yuuuge supporter of our military LOL

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,939 posts)
52. I seem to remember that
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 10:06 AM
Oct 2020

The (untold) stories of Election 2000 are really damning. I listened to a podcast recently about Election 2000 that had some pretty wild stuff in it, esp. some of the some arguments Kavanaugh is trying to glom on to

Gary 50

(483 posts)
7. To disserve the electoral process...
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:44 AM
Oct 2020

To disserve the electoral process is the goal. To cheat for the Republicans is the point.

Cetacea

(7,400 posts)
39. A large box of ballots were not counted in Broward in '18 after being "found" in Postal hub
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:17 PM
Oct 2020

...and they were postmarked prior to election day.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
8. So the Supreme Court is going to tell
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:45 AM
Oct 2020

all states they can't count any votes that are not counted by midnight on election day? My state doesn't even start counting mail in votes until the morning after.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
13. Before the Biden Admin pursues the modernization of our federal
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:53 AM
Oct 2020

courts, I would like a review of the testimonies by the Lying-3 appointed by Trump. Those that mislead the Senate should be quickly yanked out like rotten teeth.

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

CaptainTruth

(8,104 posts)
19. I believe what Kavanaugh is suggesting violates federal law.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:21 AM
Oct 2020

Based on research I did a while ago, I believe federal law requires states to count ballots received from deployed troops & other government employees (like embassy workers) up to 1 business day before the county election canvas, which typically happens 10 days after a presidential election. Meaning, those ballots can be received & must be counted up to 9 days after the election.

Second, there is no "result" of a presidential election until the electoral college votes are certified & the Constitution specifies when that happens. This year I think it's Dec 10.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
20. CA allows for counting military ballots UP TO 17 DAYS AFTER Election Day (must be postmarked, tho)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:27 AM
Oct 2020
https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration/military-overseas-voters/military-overseas-voters-faqs
If mailing: Your voted ballot and signed return envelope must be postmarked on or before Election Day and received by your county elections office no later than 17 days after Election Day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Interesting, thanks. Noting, tho SCOTUS is not bound by federal law.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:31 AM
Oct 2020

Lower courts are bound by precedent, and the expectation is that challenges to the the laws you mention will be fast-tracked to the Republicans' new 6-3 majority on the high court.

Let's hope early counts will show such a clear win for Biden that it deters them from a judicial coup.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
28. People, you just don't realize
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:35 PM
Oct 2020

after witnessing the last four years:

The RepubliCONs don't give a shit about the U.S. Constitution or Rule of Law.....

Their corrupt, illegitimate, and illegal felonious means will reach a crescendo on the night of Nov 3rd or the next day........

Prepare yourselves for the Corporate Fascist Tyranny/Dictatorship to install itself........

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. You're right. But until they no longer need to fear the electorate,
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:07 PM
Oct 2020

they will have to worry about the next election. I was afraid we might have already reached that point, that 2012 might have been our last real one, but no, they still have to fear us.

Further, they plan a calm, nonviolent, "legal" coup accompli, not one with millions of people marching on DC and the federal buildings and state capitals in over 1000 towns and cities across the nation.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,620 posts)
29. "But there are no results to "flip" until all valid votes are counted"
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:52 PM
Oct 2020

This seems so blatantly logical that a 10 year old could deduce this.

And Kavanaugh's reasoning so blatantly illogical. Actual legitimate votes that simply have not had the time to be counted, can not be "flipped". But.....a candidate's win CAN be flipped to the undeserved one, if those uncounted votes would have decided it for the other candidate.

We now have anti-democracy imbeciles on the SCOTUS.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Love that plan. It might happen if the reason Kennedy retired
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:36 PM
Oct 2020

right then came out. It's always been highly suspicious, and now he has the threatened persecution of LGBTQ as his own legacy, beginning next month.

But without that huge revelation, Kavanaugh should be investigated for lying repeatedly under oath and extreme unfitness for the judiciary, using evidence from his long career as a dirty political agent, including potentially criminal acts, that'd been hidden by the Repubs. Pretty sure our senators could make him cry much harder just by making him answer the questions in the honest and proper senate hearing he should have had.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
42. Justice Beer Bro needs to be impeached.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:17 PM
Oct 2020

He lied before the Senate in both of his confirmation hearings.

They need to impeach Thomas while they're at it. He lied in his confirmation hearings as well.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)

quakerboy

(14,795 posts)
36. I M Peach
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:02 PM
Oct 2020

He lied in his hearings. And he stated that he will not be an impartial justice.

He does not belong on the court.

We wont have the numbers this year. But we just might in two years, if we dont just win and pretend that republicans are our friends now.

gristy

(10,733 posts)
40. The adage "the futility of trying to get someone to understand something when their job depends
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:21 PM
Oct 2020

on them not understanding" would seem to apply here.

moondust

(21,257 posts)
41. Sen. Klobuchar on Last Word pointed out
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:55 PM
Oct 2020

that 20+ states including Kentucky, Kansas, and Texas officially count ballots that are postmarked by election day. She didn't mention that ballots in Texas apparently must be received by the day after the election and Kansas allows 3 days after election day, according to Vote.org. It looks like Alaska allows an extra 10 days and CA 17 days for ballots to arrive as long as they are postmarked by election day.

Seems Boofer Boy may have boofed a little too much of something.

MasonDreams

(777 posts)
44. He should be impeached for attempting to interfere in the election, right now.
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:29 AM
Oct 2020

You're a judge, not a candidate. You may publicly comment on the merits of a case AFTER it is decided, otherwise shut up.

 

katracey

(10 posts)
46. No doubt
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 07:20 AM
Oct 2020

I have no doubt, after reading what Kavanaugh wrote, If I were in charge, I would do these several things in the first few day, weeks, etc....in this order....

1. Gather the medical experts, get manufacturing going for PPT, and ANYTHING needed of the front lines, mandate masks.

2. Get the children out of those cages immediately, begin the process of getting the ICE agents to reconnect these families... They have the info, go find them.....

3. Add 3 new SCOTUS justices to bring the court to a 6, 6, 1 setup.

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
48. As long as Justices are being installed solely for their political positions and beliefs...
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 08:00 AM
Oct 2020

... it soon will be out turn to do so.

Precedent and all that you know ...

samsingh

(18,338 posts)
50. if the votes aren't counted, let's cut the charade. The supreme court is deciding who is president
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 09:21 AM
Oct 2020

they've done it in 2000 as a trial run. This will make it final. The US will no longer be a Democracy. It's on the fence right now

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