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Justice Kagan:JUSTICE KAVANAUGH alleges that suspicions of impropriety will result if
absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results
of an election. Ante, at 7. But there are no results to flip until
all valid votes are counted. And nothing could be more suspicio[us] or
improp[er] than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on
election night. To suggest otherwise, especially in these fractious times,
is to disserve the electoral process.
crimycarny
(2,069 posts)Bet he'd suddenly change his mind.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)They're synonymous
Cha
(317,856 posts)stopbush
(24,788 posts)It shows you what a rank amateur/partisan we have in Kavanaugh. To build his whole argument on a fallacy. Stupid.
Hotler
(13,746 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)His moral and intellectual deficiencies do not include inability to understand ways to subvert elections. He knows he's on the court to override and reverse the will of the people over the last 100 years, and even the intentions of those who wrote the constitution.
As an appellate court judge, CRITICALLY, his decisions were bound by precedent. On the high court they are not. 1930, here we come.
bucolic_frolic
(54,569 posts)The American people are angry.
shanti
(21,788 posts)RussellCattle
(1,928 posts)....in Florida in 2000, expecting that military overseas would support Dubya.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,939 posts)they were angrily denouncing alleged Democratic efforts to squelch off overseas military ballots, some of which were ultimately counted despite some being questionable. So, I guess Boof "I like Beer" Kavanaugh is basically telling military personnel from Wisconsin that they're SOL if their ballot is late and not counted? Trump is a yuuuge supporter of our military LOL
sdfernando
(6,043 posts)overseas military ballots had NO POSTMARK.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,939 posts)The (untold) stories of Election 2000 are really damning. I listened to a podcast recently about Election 2000 that had some pretty wild stuff in it, esp. some of the some arguments Kavanaugh is trying to glom on to
Gary 50
(483 posts)To disserve the electoral process is the goal. To cheat for the Republicans is the point.
ananda
(34,624 posts)!!!
Cetacea
(7,400 posts)...and they were postmarked prior to election day.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)all states they can't count any votes that are not counted by midnight on election day? My state doesn't even start counting mail in votes until the morning after.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NCjack
(10,297 posts)courts, I would like a review of the testimonies by the Lying-3 appointed by Trump. Those that mislead the Senate should be quickly yanked out like rotten teeth.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)And so will a whole lot of other pissed off Americans.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Theyre all rotten.
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CaptainTruth
(8,104 posts)Based on research I did a while ago, I believe federal law requires states to count ballots received from deployed troops & other government employees (like embassy workers) up to 1 business day before the county election canvas, which typically happens 10 days after a presidential election. Meaning, those ballots can be received & must be counted up to 9 days after the election.
Second, there is no "result" of a presidential election until the electoral college votes are certified & the Constitution specifies when that happens. This year I think it's Dec 10.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)If mailing: Your voted ballot and signed return envelope must be postmarked on or before Election Day and received by your county elections office no later than 17 days after Election Day.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Lower courts are bound by precedent, and the expectation is that challenges to the the laws you mention will be fast-tracked to the Republicans' new 6-3 majority on the high court.
Let's hope early counts will show such a clear win for Biden that it deters them from a judicial coup.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)after witnessing the last four years:
The RepubliCONs don't give a shit about the U.S. Constitution or Rule of Law.....
Their corrupt, illegitimate, and illegal felonious means will reach a crescendo on the night of Nov 3rd or the next day........
Prepare yourselves for the Corporate Fascist Tyranny/Dictatorship to install itself........
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they will have to worry about the next election. I was afraid we might have already reached that point, that 2012 might have been our last real one, but no, they still have to fear us.
Further, they plan a calm, nonviolent, "legal" coup accompli, not one with millions of people marching on DC and the federal buildings and state capitals in over 1000 towns and cities across the nation.
Illumination
(2,458 posts)Old Terp
(486 posts)Roland99
(53,345 posts)GoCubsGo
(34,783 posts)Amy Coat Hanger Barratt.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)world wide wally
(21,836 posts)But Justice Beer Pong will still argue with it... Maybe even cry.
LymphocyteLover
(9,604 posts)Kavanaugh's opinion was scary as fuck, and also he lied.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/brett-kavanaugh-caught-lying-in-scotus-opinion-against-voting-access-during-the-report/
elias7
(4,229 posts)Not postmarked. Lets be consistent here
LiberalLovinLug
(14,620 posts)This seems so blatantly logical that a 10 year old could deduce this.
And Kavanaugh's reasoning so blatantly illogical. Actual legitimate votes that simply have not had the time to be counted, can not be "flipped". But.....a candidate's win CAN be flipped to the undeserved one, if those uncounted votes would have decided it for the other candidate.
We now have anti-democracy imbeciles on the SCOTUS.
Blue Owl
(58,651 posts)Make Kavanaugh Cry Again
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)right then came out. It's always been highly suspicious, and now he has the threatened persecution of LGBTQ as his own legacy, beginning next month.
But without that huge revelation, Kavanaugh should be investigated for lying repeatedly under oath and extreme unfitness for the judiciary, using evidence from his long career as a dirty political agent, including potentially criminal acts, that'd been hidden by the Repubs. Pretty sure our senators could make him cry much harder just by making him answer the questions in the honest and proper senate hearing he should have had.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)He lied before the Senate in both of his confirmation hearings.
They need to impeach Thomas while they're at it. He lied in his confirmation hearings as well.
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GoCubsGo
(34,783 posts)Even PJ and Squee agree on that.
quakerboy
(14,795 posts)He lied in his hearings. And he stated that he will not be an impartial justice.
He does not belong on the court.
We wont have the numbers this year. But we just might in two years, if we dont just win and pretend that republicans are our friends now.
COL Mustard
(8,074 posts)gristy
(10,733 posts)on them not understanding" would seem to apply here.
moondust
(21,257 posts)that 20+ states including Kentucky, Kansas, and Texas officially count ballots that are postmarked by election day. She didn't mention that ballots in Texas apparently must be received by the day after the election and Kansas allows 3 days after election day, according to Vote.org. It looks like Alaska allows an extra 10 days and CA 17 days for ballots to arrive as long as they are postmarked by election day.
Seems Boofer Boy may have boofed a little too much of something.
MasonDreams
(777 posts)You're a judge, not a candidate. You may publicly comment on the merits of a case AFTER it is decided, otherwise shut up.
Lochloosa
(16,690 posts)katracey
(10 posts)I have no doubt, after reading what Kavanaugh wrote, If I were in charge, I would do these several things in the first few day, weeks, etc....in this order....
1. Gather the medical experts, get manufacturing going for PPT, and ANYTHING needed of the front lines, mandate masks.
2. Get the children out of those cages immediately, begin the process of getting the ICE agents to reconnect these families... They have the info, go find them.....
3. Add 3 new SCOTUS justices to bring the court to a 6, 6, 1 setup.
Ligyron
(8,006 posts)... it soon will be out turn to do so.
Precedent and all that you know ...
samsingh
(18,338 posts)they've done it in 2000 as a trial run. This will make it final. The US will no longer be a Democracy. It's on the fence right now
