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NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:10 PM Oct 2020

What do you think? Pragmatic preparedness or fear mongering?

This article from newsletter "Waging nonviolence" raises some questions and offers solutions.
I'm interested to hear DUer's thoughts on this.

Snip:

"As coup prevention has gained mainstream attention, here’s a series of tactics with a plan to defend our democracy.
It’s Nov. 4. Votes are still being counted in dozens of states and election results are not final. But Trump tweets that he won while claiming massive fraud from mail-in ballots. Trump loyalists prepare to ignore election results. What do folks do next?"

Before talking tactics, it’s worth asking: Is a coup really possible?

"Recall the Bush-Gore election in 2000. While election officials began a recount, a group of Republican operatives were ordered to “stop them.” They attempted to bully their way into a Florida election office, trampling and punching people. This became known as the “Brooks Brothers riots,” with unusual protesters who were “50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties.

The bourgeois riot’s pressure on the election officials — which included both an inside strategy of lawsuits and the outside strategy of protests — resulted in them ceasing the recount and changed the course of the national outcome.

The Brooks Brothers riots worked in large part because there was no meaningful counter-narrative of street protests. We’re already neutering that by being in the streets, even if we don’t end up confronting every regressive action to support a coup."

Snip:
"If a coup doesn’t happen, is the preparation worth it?

Absolutely. I’ve been part of efforts where our preparation alone kept the opposition from mobilizing against us.

Further, we’re teaching how power works. Trump’s tweets don’t determine the outcome of the election. People do. Our job isn’t over when the election is over — we need to understand how power works to make change for the future. Because the fight to save our country and the planet is just beginning."

Full article:
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2020/10/7-tactics-to-stop-a-coup/

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What do you think? Pragmatic preparedness or fear mongering? (Original Post) NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 OP
Not fear mongering -- but there is a remedy pat_k Oct 2020 #1
Its not Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #2
Thanks for replying to my post so thoroughly. NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #3

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
1. Not fear mongering -- but there is a remedy
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:30 PM
Oct 2020

I think it is highly probable that SCOTUS will strike down every state law that allows ballots arriving after election day to be counted. The decision in Wisconsin makes this pretty clear. Add this to the assertion that the Feds, not the state courts, have authority over state election law.

As absurd as it is, I think it is also possible that they plan to ultimately disallow the counting of any votes after the election that "flip the outcome."

“Those States want to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election,”

And this is echoed by Trump's "good and proper" to make election day results "official" -- no matter how many votes remain to be counted.

There can be no "flipping" an outcome that has yet to be determined based on a full count. They know the assertion is insane, but with six on the court to endorse it, they are laying the groundwork.

It's FL 2000 on steroids. Stop counting legitimate votes because it could "flip" Bush's victory.

There is a Remedy

Our ONLY remedy if they pull it off is to win the House and Senate, and then, on Jan 6, object to, and throw out the electors from any state that fails to count every legitimate vote. It doesn't matter what SCOTUS says. When it comes to determining the legality of the appointment of electors, it is up to Congress.

Congress utterly failed to do their duty in 2000 and toss out the electors appointed pursuant to the incomplete, and therefore unlawful election, in FL (as Justice Breyer essentially instructed them to do in his dissent). They cannot fail to preserve democracy this time if the black-robbed traitors attempt to pull off a coup again.

And the NEXT step would be to impeach the traitors on the court for attempting to overturn the will of the people. If you didn't read it back in 2001, read "None Dare Call It Treason" (Nation article or later book)

Turin_C3PO

(13,977 posts)
2. Its not
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:35 PM
Oct 2020

highly probable that the SC will overturn the election. It is actually highly improbable.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
3. Thanks for replying to my post so thoroughly.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:23 PM
Oct 2020

I learned a lot from your reply. I will also read "None Dare Call It Treason".

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