Democrats see signs of hidden Biden voters flipping from GOP

[babylonsister]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523076-democrats-see-signs-of-hidden-biden-voters-flipping-from-gop

Democrats see signs of hidden Biden voters flipping from GOP
By Amie Parnes - 10/28/20 06:00 AM EDT


Call them the secret Biden voters.

Political observers say there is a group of voters that has emerged in this cycle: Republicans who have never supported a Democratic candidate — not for the city council, Congress or president — who suddenly find themselves set to vote for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

And they don’t want anyone to know it.

In 2016, some strategists concluded that a number of voters were secretly voting for Donald Trump but were not getting picked up by pollsters.

This year, strategists are wondering about Biden voters in red states and counties who are not waving signs and are keeping their views relatively quiet, but who could help the former vice president not only win states such as Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, but also other states Democrats lost to Trump in 2016, such as Iowa, North Carolina and Georgia, where the vice president visited on Tuesday.

“There is a lot of evidence that they do exist and they’re everywhere,” one Biden ally said.

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The Florida Republican who spoke anonymously to The Hill also feels “pushed into a corner” by Trump.

“I never ever thought I’d support a Democrat. It’s not who I am,” the Republican said. “But this was the only option.”

[soothsayer]

1. May it be so!

[Earthshine2]

2. My wife and I have a friend who is 72-yr old female republican and she is voting for Biden ...

and all down-ballot republicans.

She got really turned off to Trump in the first debate.

Why is she voting for republicans? She says because she is a republican.

We were glad to get the Biden vote. More was too much to ask for. There's not enough logical brain there for us to go deeper.

Largely, people vote based on their emotions and identities, not facts and reasoning.

[Cosmocat]

10. YEP

spot on with the last sentence.

[StaunchDemocrat1957]

14. I was wondering how many republicans will cross over.

I bet it will be a lot. People are tired of his bullshit!

[jaxexpat]

22. It's that Republicans are trained. Very Freudian, the whole thing.

Doesn't touch a single reasoning brain cell.
Crap in your pants? No. That's training.
Vote Republican? Yes. That's training too.
Know your priest is a pedophile but tithe anyway? Yes. Can't undo years of training.
A lot like toilet training. To pass up the polls on election day would be a traumatic event. Will "vote at any cost" sort of compulsive behavior. Nothing to do with reasoning or objective perusal of facts. No coincidence that religious and military types are "uniformly" bent toward Republicans. Faith and obedience, both, embody thought-void, knee-jerk response, reactionaryism.
It's not conservatism. It's susceptibility to instruction by rote. The root word usages of train includes "retinue", a line, a connected series of things. Conservatism is when your whole focus is on the rear of the person in front of you, never questioning the legitimacy of other possibilities. It's when you follow, like a lemming. It really is the absolute opposite of Progressive, which is itself "liberal" in the sense of liberation from physical and intellectual constraint. A progressive will probably be leading the line and liberals will probably strike out on their own.

It's no criticism really. Republicans can, after all, be good pets and they will eat you when you die.

[Beartracks]

27. Silly on the down-votes, because Republicans fostered and facilitated Trump.

[Earthshine2]

28. It's Trump's personality, not his policies that turned her off. nt

[Beartracks]

29. Oh. Well.. We'll take what we can get this time around!

[Sherman A1]

3. Fantastic

[SheltieLover]

4. Much more likely than "silent" chumpin voters, imo

Really, isn't silent magat oxymoronic?

[lindysalsagal]

5. Inevitable, with such an infantile trumpsterfire in the wh.

Stupid isn't 40%. It's somewhere lower, and that's all we need.

[beachbumbob]

6. think if 2-5% of 2016 GOP voters for trump flip to vote for Biden, and that is NOT

unrealistic. The impact with the outcome:
- ohio
- NC
- florida
- texas.
- Iowa
- georgia
- Pennsylvania
- Michigan
- wisconsin


then add in the democats who voted for trump in 2016 and they flip to Biden?

just saying and why to think this is a close election is silly BUT WE MUST PILE IT ON

[NewJeffCT]

11. A recent poll had it at 8%

I'll see if I can find it later (I'm working now), but it had 8% of 2016 Trump voters now voting for Biden... and, only 1% of Clinton 2016 voters now voting for Trump. That's the real #WalkAway movement.

[rownesheck]

7. There's at least one in my neighborhood.

He's got a Biden/Harris sign right next to his R - Crenshaw sign. This is in northeast Houston suburbs.

[DeminPennswoods]

9. I've seen a few houses with signs for local GOP

candidates, but not Trump. No real common, but there none-the-less.

[PRETZEL]

12. What I've noticed here in my part of pa (SE, Montco)

is very little support for down ballot R's. You'll see the Trump signs, but not for the congressional candidates.

[DeminPennswoods]

23. I've seen more yards with signs for the full

R ticket than not. OTOH, more yard signs for just Biden/Harris than for Biden and Lamb both out.

[The_Counsel]

8. After 40 Years, the "Reagan Democrats" Are Finally Coming Home.

They will be henceforth known as “Biden Republicans.”

[bluelill]

13. Suburban Atlanta - Biden signs aren't disappearing

Here in the northwest Atlanta suburbs the unprecedented is happening with yard signs.

In previous Presidential election years I rarely saw signs for the Democrat. If one went up, it would disappear quickly.

This election cycle I'm seeing an equal number of Biden signs vs the orange doofus signs. The signs aren't being stolen!

I'm cautiously optimistic!

[lees1975]

21. The sign contest

Southern Wisconsin was loaded with Trump signs in 2016 out in the rural areas and small towns. I drove from Madison to Kenosha on Friday on the local highways and didn't see nearly as many. There were more houses with just the local race signs in the yard. There was an equal number of Biden signs including one stretch through a small town where it looked like the local Democratic leadership got most of the homeowners on the main drag to put out signs.

[Butterflylady]

15. I have thought this all along.

They talk about hidden rump voters, but somehow forget about the hidden Biden voters.

[OneBlueSky]

30. I've been saying this for some time also . . .

they do indeed talk about a hidden Trump vote . . . but there are a lot more hidden ANTI-TRUMP votes, imho . . . we'll see who was right come November 3, or shortly thereafter . . .

[birdographer]

16. Makes sense...

I think this is very probable.

Every time I read about the "shy" trump voters, I have my doubts. I consider far more likely a scenario of a senior couple. The husband loves his guns, hates anyone who isn't white, and is a rabid MAGAt. The wife, who has been hit more than once by her husband and is afraid of him, is tired of trump getting her husband all riled up. She wants trump gone. And when she is alone in the voting booth, she casts her vote for Biden. Women can tend to be a lot smarter than MAGAt men (aside from Karens, of course), more aware of what's really going on. And they are alone in the voting booth.

[oasis]

17. It's about time they woke up. nt

[CountMyVote4Reality]

18. They can dream.

Better to wake up.

[Dem2]

19. If just 1 in 10 of the houses that DON'T have signs this time

...who had signs for the a-hole last time vote for Biden, that would be huge.

[ananda]

20. That must be why Trump was talking up..

.. all those hidden Trump supporters.

[Blue Owl]

24. K&R

[Tiger8]

25. They want their Hero Trump destroyed.

Freud called it a reaction formation - or the opposite to what you want.

Subconsciously, even the most diehard Trump cultist knows he wouldn't wipe the soles of his shoes on them. Therefore, almost like an S&M desire to see Trump stripped of his power could take hold in the voting booth.

On some level they'd love to see Trump arrested, shackled, impoverished, and in prison with his baldness and skin laid bare, in a prison jumper, no access to women....and biggest of all, ordered around by PoC prison guards.

[Aussie105]

26. If you vote in a president

based on a whole list of promises that you and other people swallowed without question:
(Mistake 1: believing in promises from a politician. Or a used car salesman. Or a snake oil salesman.)

And then wait patiently for those promises to materialize:
(Mistake 2: Not watching if any action is actually undertaken straight after the election.)

And then get disheartened by the lack of progress on those promises:
(Mistake 3: Not watching closely, thinking it will all happen soon.)

Then, after 4 years, you may come to realize those golden promises actually were fool's gold, sprinkled sparingly on a long path to the voting booth, just to get you there.
(Mistake 4: Not realizing that really it was fool's gold, and that the wind would soon blow it away.)

Then, being of (somewhat) sound mind, and (somewhat) good at remembering what you were promised, and being (somewhat) observant about the zero action on those promises over the years, you may just change your vote to the opposite.

. . . . but you'd keep quiet about it, because being so easily deluded, dudded, and lied to, just feels embarrassing.

Gullible people won't admit to it, but hopefully they have learnt that Trump is just not good for them, their neighbors, and the country.
And needs to go, be short circuited, and be escorted off the White House lawns and out of our lives as an undesirable influence.