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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsALERT: 538 includes anti-trans national push poll, dropping Biden's avg. to +8.5%
I was quite shocked to find that 538 had included a national poll of 3500 LVs from Spry Strategies showing Biden +2% .
Ive never heard of Spry Strategies, so I clicked through to the data page and found this:
Key Results
Voters overwhelmingly disapprove of policies that allow the placement of male sexual offenders or domestic abusers in womens prisons, with only seven percent of voters supporting such policies. Two out of every three likely voters (66.93 percent) state that they strongly disagree with such policies, including a majority of liberal voters who disagree with such policies.
The poll also revealed cross-partisan disapproval of gender identity based policies, such as those impacting single-sex sports. The majority of voters of all parties (66.96 percent) state that men or boys who identify as transgender should not be permitted to compete in women and girls athletics.
A majority of voters also disagree with allowing men who identify as transgender in womens changing rooms (56.86 percent) and homeless shelters (53.19 percent).
Source:
https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/national-poll-support-for-womens-spaces
Whats next? A Proud Boys poll on racially separate restrooms that includes presidential preferences?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)WTF?!
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Maybe I was deluding myself.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)Spry Strategies must have had some previous record to justify inclusion, but this poll, sponsored by the so-called Womens Liberation Front, used Spry as a Front for their obvious push poll.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)be rated that high because of their sketchy methodologies, like the Emerson College poll. Morris is The Economist's data analyst .
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)calguy
(5,307 posts)6 days out and 70 millions votes cast, I don't see how this affects anything.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Link to tweet
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cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)43% identify as "Conservative" and only 27% as Liberal. The remainder - 30% identify as "Moderate" yet almost all of these people must be the ones going for Biden as 46% overall went for Trump.
This tells me that it is still really on Trumps base that he is appealing to, but there are a ton of people who are probably *mostly* conservative but identify as moderate that are going for Biden in very large numbers.
Don't let it bring you down, it doesn't matter in the long run and it is weird 538 is including it here, but the actual poll results are very strongly favoring Biden even in a group he normally wouldn't be ahead with.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)All bets are down, and the horses are coming round the turn....
Takket
(21,565 posts)Next will be the poll of which bowl of kibble the dogs at the shelter ate out of. Drumpf +15%!!!!
Stallion
(6,474 posts)WTF I doubt many people would want to continue with this pollster. They need to take that poll down. Just astonishing
I'm glad you brought this to the attention of the board-I should have but just was too disgusted
MizLibby
(289 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)...then weights them according to their reliability and house bias before including them in their average?
And secondly that the national spread has a relatively minor effect on their calculation of odds of winning the election at this point?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)And the national spread has a significant impact on their models projections- a popular vote margin above +7% gives 99% odds of winning the EC. By contrast, Clintons 2-3% projected national margin gave only 48-50% odds of winning the EC in 2016.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Of course a rising tide lifts all boats but the odds of winning aren't changing drastically because of national polling and that average is not changing drastically due to a lightly weighted poll with a GOP bias.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)If Biden indeed wins the popular vote by 7+%, its nearly mathematically impossible for Trump to get enough votes to win the EC, unless there is 90% turnout with tens of millions of Dem votes thrown out.
Projected turnout is 154 million; with his current national average margin, that means Biden will win the popular vote by 12-15 million.votes. Hillary won the 2016 popular vote by 3 million. You tell me how Trump, who barely won three Rust Belt states by 77,000 votes, is going to make up a 15 million vote deficit in must-win states that he is behind by 5-10 points?
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Of course if you get more votes you are more likely to win everywhere. There is a strong correlation between how many votes you win by nationally and how many states you win. But 538's election model does not weight that national percentage highly because it doesn't drive the electoral college, state results do. So what difference does it make if they include a lightly weighted poll in their national average when this hardly impacts the winning percentages that they calculate?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)538 is playing right into those hands.
Shame on 538 and shame on Nate Silver.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)538 has 341 EV, 88% for Joe.
Inclusion of some outliers brings it down a bit.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214378397
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)I am not worried about it at all, including these outliers (Spry and Rasmussen) makes the poll average more conservative. 8.5 points means a landslide.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)538 is playing a dangerous game whose result could be the loss of The US Constitution.
These right wing polls need legitimacy. And the MSM is playing right along.
Again. And again. And again. Year after year after year.
Joe needs to break up the Big Media Cartels and restore the Fairness Doctrine. Or the Republic is doomed.
VOTE VOTE VOTE! It's our only weapon, but it is the Ultimate Weapon.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Heard that in a movie.
For me, that's the highly-rated polls and not this kind of garbage.