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Mme. Defarge

(8,006 posts)
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 05:05 PM Oct 2020

Amoral or immoral?

In my opinion, opinion writers and other pundits should be describing Trump’s behavior as immoral as opposed to amoral.

Amoral vs. immoral
The adjective immoral means contrary to established moral principles. Immoral actions are corrupt, unethical, sinful, or just wrong. Amoral means (1) neither moral nor immoral, or (2) lacking moral sensibility. So while immoral and amoral might share a little common ground, there is a clear distinction: immoral things are bad, and amoral things are either neutral from a moral perspective or simply removed from moral considerations.

https://grammarist.com/usage/amoral-immoral/

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Amoral or immoral? (Original Post) Mme. Defarge Oct 2020 OP
More immoral but pwb Oct 2020 #1
It's both... dlk Oct 2020 #2
Immoral is judged from outside. Amoral isn't necessarily. nolabear Oct 2020 #3
That's a perfect way to put it. Mike 03 Oct 2020 #5
I appreciate what you're saying. Mike 03 Oct 2020 #4
Corporations are inherently amoral. poli-junkie Oct 2020 #6
If a person is immoral, they know what is right and what is wrong and choose to do wrong. Atticus Oct 2020 #7

nolabear

(41,930 posts)
3. Immoral is judged from outside. Amoral isn't necessarily.
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 05:16 PM
Oct 2020

You can do things you think are immoral but that idea is an agreed upon construct. Amorality just doesn’t take morals into consideration or respond to acts as moral or amoral. You can act out of both but perspective matters.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. I appreciate what you're saying.
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 05:20 PM
Oct 2020

I think Trump is an inherently amoral man whose amorality leads him to take immoral actions.

But then one has to grapple with the sadistic element. He learns that something is hurting people, and he either continues to do it or makes it worse. That's where the immorality comes in. In his mind he is exacting revenge against people who don't appreciate him. So now we've added anger to the mix. At that point, IMO, his behavior transmogrifies into actual immorality. But if you asked him about it, he'd just shrug and say "they deserve it."

In other words, I don't think he appreciates that his actions are immoral. I'm not even sure he is capable of judging whether or not his own behavior is moral or immoral.

Someone like Stephen Miller is easier to figure out because he's just immoral.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
7. If a person is immoral, they know what is right and what is wrong and choose to do wrong.
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 10:22 PM
Oct 2020

If a person is amoral, they simply do not recognize the concepts of right and wrong so they never have to choose. They do what they judge to be in their interest, PERIOD. Since there is no right or wrong in their world, they have no need for a conscience and never feel ashamed of their self-centered actions.

IMHO, Trump is amoral.

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