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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:26 PM Oct 2020

Melania's terrible English

First, let me say that I really don't care how most Americans who have immigrated sound...Hell, I don't care if they don't even speak English.....But with Melania it's different because of Trump's America First, anti-immigrant stance, and most of his supporters would make fun of someone who sounded like her.....On top of the that, she was portrayed as someone who was "fluent" in 5 languages. There is no way she is fluent in English, and it isn't the accent...it's the mispronunciations and the butchering of words....Again, normally I wouldn't care about an immigrant's broken English, but is the her portrayal and Trump's assholery towards immigrants.

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Melania's terrible English (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 Oct 2020 OP
This... HipChick Oct 2020 #1
She has no desire to assimilate with America. None whatsoever. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #16
she has all the money in the world qazplm135 Oct 2020 #2
She has been here a long time to have such a strong accent BainsBane Oct 2020 #3
Not everyone loses their accent SouthernLiberal Oct 2020 #4
I think there is a difference between not losing one's accent BainsBane Oct 2020 #6
There's also a difference between someone not organically losing their accent and... JHB Oct 2020 #36
The difference is... HipChick Oct 2020 #20
Your examples are intra-language accents, not inter-language Celerity Oct 2020 #41
She thinks that accent is sexy I bet. redstatebluegirl Oct 2020 #5
So many men who tried to mail-order her have listed Ilsa Oct 2020 #15
*snort* Nevilledog Oct 2020 #34
That's where my money is lunatica Oct 2020 #27
I think she is a fake...on the tapes with her friend she sounded different. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #46
really? BainsBane Oct 2020 #47
Melania does not speak 5 languages, that is a lie. madaboutharry Oct 2020 #7
Melania probably was fluent in Serbo-Croation PufPuf23 Oct 2020 #13
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #23
+10,000 madaboutharry Oct 2020 #28
The Pope spoke to her in Italian. kskiska Oct 2020 #31
Most Europeans learn other languages in grade school dsc Oct 2020 #40
Her Italian sucks too Drahthaardogs Oct 2020 #8
I don't like to use the word hate. Butterflylady Oct 2020 #9
Their hypocrisy is appalling FakeNoose Oct 2020 #10
Here's a Slovenian in the country for half as long that speaks English like Wally Cleaver. brewens Oct 2020 #11
His accent is almost non-existent. smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #24
My mother (Croatian) came to moonscape Oct 2020 #35
She can say anal is $300 in five different languages, I don't doubt that. Her English was brewens Oct 2020 #44
Her parents live in the WH and she probably speaks all day with patricia92243 Oct 2020 #12
no, they live elsewhere. but so does she. mopinko Oct 2020 #32
"Her parents live in the WH..." Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #37
I've heard it many times on the tv, but no link, Sorry. Michelle patricia92243 Oct 2020 #43
Strange...There are many sources reporting they live in Maryland, to where Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #45
I'll always remember her most for BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #14
She's reading, not speaking. She likely has no idea what at least 25% of the words mean... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #17
She's been the most inconsequential first lady in my lifetime. beaglelover Oct 2020 #18
She does know the F-word though 😄 hauckeye Oct 2020 #19
That one...yes.. HipChick Oct 2020 #21
She's fluent in self pitying bullshit. BlueNProud Oct 2020 #22
Didn't she say she was the most persecuted person in the country in an interview? smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #26
The tapes reveal her to be an odious collaborator not some victim. BlueNProud Oct 2020 #33
Yes, she pushed the birther crap that so many people still believe to be true. StarryNite Oct 2020 #25
Poor verbal skills. moondust Oct 2020 #29
Amazing double standard. nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #30
She can say "Black should back Kenya going!" in five languages! struggle4progress Oct 2020 #38
Rep. Omar certainly speaks so much better than Melania. Wonder what the Trumpians Boogiemack Oct 2020 #39
Are you telling me the author and creator of the BE BEST slogan is English-challenged? Mr. Ected Oct 2020 #42

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
3. She has been here a long time to have such a strong accent
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:32 PM
Oct 2020

but some people have more trouble with languages than others.

SouthernLiberal

(407 posts)
4. Not everyone loses their accent
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:37 PM
Oct 2020

One of my grandmothers was from Ireland. She came here as a young woman, and died at 87 with an Irish accent as strong as ever.

I have lived in South Carolina for 21 years, and still sound like a yankee.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
6. I think there is a difference between not losing one's accent
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:38 PM
Oct 2020

and speaking with as thick of an accent as Melania. I'm told that it is usually children who come before puberty that can learn to speak accent-free. It's far less common for adults. But lots of people have accents yet still speak English perfectly. Obviously there isn't a language barrier for the Irish.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
36. There's also a difference between someone not organically losing their accent and...
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:29 PM
Oct 2020

...someone with the time and resources to get voice coaching in order to learn how to lose their accent. Someone who then does not bother doing so.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
41. Your examples are intra-language accents, not inter-language
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:49 PM
Oct 2020

Unless you are talking about Gaeilge (Irish) being your grandmother's chief tongue, and I highly, highly doubt she was only fluent in Gaeilge.

Melania's issues are her poor English grammar and vocabulary, not her accent.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. That's where my money is
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:50 PM
Oct 2020

If nothing else she’s a great example of women who go after wealthy men for the money. They stay cutesy and sexy as long as plastic surgery allows. Trump probably told he likes her accent. And the boob size she and Ivanka have, and her plastic face. Come to think about it, Ivanka also has a plastic face.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
47. really?
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 07:53 PM
Oct 2020

Why would that serve her? It might be a difference in nerves between speaking with a friend and public speaking. I think that's more likely.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
7. Melania does not speak 5 languages, that is a lie.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:39 PM
Oct 2020

Have we ever once heard this woman speak any of the languages she claims to speak? The answer is no.

She claims to speak Italian.

But when in Italy, Melania required an interpreter to communicate with small school children. And further, when she entered the room and offered a greeting in Italian she used the incorrect tense.

She claims to speak French.

But when conversing with President and Mrs. Macron, Melania was only able to speak with them in English. Not a word of French passed her lips.

She claims to speak German:

Nope.

Her English is awful. She speaks the English of a poorly educated person.

I concede she speaks her native Slovenian.

Melania dropped out of college after 1 semester. When and where would she have learned all these languages?

In my opinion, this "5 languages lie" was bullshit that originated in the pathologically lying mind of Donald Trump. He probably also told her to lie about having a degree in Architecture from "University in Slovenia."

Excuse me, but Architecture is an incredible difficult degree to obtain. You need to be able to master Calculus. Does Melania strike you as a person who knows Calculus? It was such a blatant lie, that it was quietly retracted.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. +1000
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:43 PM
Oct 2020

I don't believe she speaks any other language than her own fluently. And she speaks English badly.

She has been in this country for at least 25 years and has had every opportunity to learn the language and accent fluently but she has not. If she is not stupid, then she is just lazy. Her English is atrocious for someone who has been here that long and who has been privileged. She clearly has no facility for languages.

I happen to think that she is lazy and stupid, considering her tenure as "first lady". What has she done besides coin the phrase "Be Best" and destroy the Rose Garden? Oh, yes, and the lovely Christmas decorations, which I am sure were done with the help of a consultant. Not one measurable metric to her name. Nothing. Zip.

She is the most useless, pointless "first lady" in history. She is a disgrace to this nation, just like her revolting husband and his children.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
31. The Pope spoke to her in Italian.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:18 PM
Oct 2020

and she needed an interpreter. She and Barron spend lots of time with her parents and they speak only in Slovenian.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
40. Most Europeans learn other languages in grade school
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:41 PM
Oct 2020

I would think, given where she is from, she likely did learn Italian and German and even English while in school. But, she clearly isn't a language savant in any sense of the word. She also may not have practiced the languages. I would think her modeling career would have led her to practice Italian though.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
10. Their hypocrisy is appalling
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:47 PM
Oct 2020

I have several friends who are immigrants, who speak with foreign accents of one kind or another. Doesn't bother me at all, and I enjoy their friendship and their points of view. This is not about the accents, it's about the hypocrisy of the Chumps and people like them.

Chump's own mother came from another country, and his father was born in the U.S. to parents who raised him to speak German before he spoke English. Having fluency in a 2nd language (other than English) is a sign of intelligence and mental flexibility if nothing else.

I believe Chump's hatred of immigrants is a pretense to get the MAGAts to support him. It became another one of his dog whistles, once he learned how to get the MAGAts worked up at the rallies. He'll say anything if he thinks they'll scream and cheer for it.

brewens

(13,574 posts)
11. Here's a Slovenian in the country for half as long that speaks English like Wally Cleaver.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:59 PM
Oct 2020

Maybe he's an expert linguist. Mailordia sure as shit isn't. He's pretty good at hockey too.

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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. His accent is almost non-existent.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:47 PM
Oct 2020

He speaks English perfectly and he has been here half as long as she has. And, on top of that, he has actually done something with his life besides marry a rich guy and read fashion magazines. If he can manage to find the time to master the language, then there is no excuse for her.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
35. My mother (Croatian) came to
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:28 PM
Oct 2020

the US with my father when she was in her 30’s and while she had an accent it Was nothing like Melania’s and she spoke flawlessly with better grammar than most native English speakers.

My theory on Melania is that she hasn’t had enough practice. She and 45 probably barely speak to one another at home.

brewens

(13,574 posts)
44. She can say anal is $300 in five different languages, I don't doubt that. Her English was
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 07:20 PM
Oct 2020

just enough to get by in her former occupation. The accent was probably an asset for a few years. Perverted, old, rich guys find that exotic.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
12. Her parents live in the WH and she probably speaks all day with
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 03:07 PM
Oct 2020

them in her native language. Sounds like a combination of not enough practice in English and not using a coach to make oneself sound just a little bit plainer.

mopinko

(70,083 posts)
32. no, they live elsewhere. but so does she.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:21 PM
Oct 2020

so, your point is still valid. but she could be helping them w their english, instead.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
43. I've heard it many times on the tv, but no link, Sorry. Michelle
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 07:16 PM
Oct 2020

Obama's mother lived in the WH. It is not uncommon for grandparents to be available for the grandchildren.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
45. Strange...There are many sources reporting they live in Maryland, to where
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 07:45 PM
Oct 2020

Malaria and Barron would escape to get away from the WH.

Here's one:
https://www.ibtimes.com/melania-trump-son-barron-allegedly-living-maryland-flotus-parents-not-potus-2915889

Melania Trump and son Barron are allegedly living with her parents in Maryland.

There are rumors that the president and first lady are not living together. The speculations intensified after Roland Scahill, an American former theater agent, tweeted about the first couple’s rumored living arrangement in July 2019.

“Can we finally stop making believe that Melania and Baron (sic) live in the White House?” he wrote on Twitter.

The post received various reactions from the netizens, with many wondering about the security cost. Some believed that Melania is living with her parents. Another speculated that the first lady’s parents stayed in Maryland to be close to their grandson, Barron.


and another:
https://www.bustle.com/p/where-melania-trump-lives-is-a-question-the-white-house-laughs-about-all-the-time-9002681

There was a theory that the first lady was living close to son Barron's school, in a home with her parents in the D.C. suburbs. She was not seen with her husband for a while, and there were allegedly a lot of Secret Service agents at the house her parents were staying in.


There are several others, but they're behind a paywall.

Either way, no big deal. I was just surprised by your statement as I hadn't seen that elsewhere.


BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
14. I'll always remember her most for
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 04:00 PM
Oct 2020

The images of her rubbing her hoo hoo on Trump’s plane upholstery in a series of photos that have become familiar to most.

Her moose and squirrel accent will be the other thing I remember most.

And oh yeah, besides being barely able to speak English she’s a virulent racist too.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. She's reading, not speaking. She likely has no idea what at least 25% of the words mean...
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 04:23 PM
Oct 2020

... as she's sounding them out.

beaglelover

(3,466 posts)
18. She's been the most inconsequential first lady in my lifetime.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 04:36 PM
Oct 2020

Watching CNNs specials on Sundays about former first ladies, I doubt they could fill 10 minutes of what Melania has accomplished as first lady, let alone an hour.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
26. Didn't she say she was the most persecuted person in the country in an interview?
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:49 PM
Oct 2020

It was the Safari interview, but I forgot who it was with. She said she was the most bullied person in the nation. What a pathetic whiner!

StarryNite

(9,443 posts)
25. Yes, she pushed the birther crap that so many people still believe to be true.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:47 PM
Oct 2020

I don't care about accents. My grandmother had an accent. But it's always that double standard that gets me.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
29. Poor verbal skills.
Thu Oct 29, 2020, 06:09 PM
Oct 2020

Her written skills may be somewhat better but I doubt it. Language skills tend to atrophy with disuse.

Why haven't Republicans who typically hate immigrants made a bigger scandal out of "that ferner livin in our Whitey House"?!!

Don't forget that her parents used "chain migration" despite Dotard's hostility to it for others.

Melania Trump’s Parents Become U.S. Citizens, Using ‘Chain Migration’ Trump Hates

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