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Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:04 PM

Rachel Maddow just used the term "grok"

This makes me smile

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Reply Rachel Maddow just used the term "grok" (Original post)
Gothmog Oct 30 OP
Beakybird Oct 30 #1
smb Oct 30 #5
wcmagumba Oct 30 #2
mitch96 Oct 30 #3
question everything Oct 30 #4
Maeve Oct 30 #6
aidbo Oct 30 #7
Dave Starsky Oct 30 #17
aidbo Oct 30 #23
myccrider Oct 31 #32
niyad Oct 31 #27
Hugin Oct 30 #8
question everything Oct 30 #9
muriel_volestrangler Oct 30 #13
PCIntern Oct 30 #19
Dave Starsky Oct 30 #20
rsdsharp Oct 30 #21
UpInArms Oct 30 #10
procon Oct 30 #11
niyad Oct 30 #24
CozyMystery Oct 31 #26
niyad Oct 31 #29
Laurelin Oct 31 #31
Coventina Oct 30 #12
Gothmog Oct 30 #14
niyad Oct 31 #28
TlalocW Oct 30 #15
Liberal In Texas Oct 30 #16
nolabear Oct 30 #18
Gothmog Oct 30 #22
jeffreyi Oct 30 #25
rsdsharp Oct 31 #30
Gothmog Nov 5 #33

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:09 PM

1. I thought men were from Mars and women are from Venus.

I'm surprised!

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:16 PM

5. Except Trump, Who Is From Uranus nt

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:10 PM

2. Sharing water is next you know....

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:12 PM

3. No stranger to a strange land, eh? nt

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:13 PM

4. Meaning, please? For the untwittering ignorant?


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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:17 PM

6. From Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" SF classic

Grok means drink, but also to know something completely. To really get something, totally understand

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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:18 PM

7. Grok is a neologism coined in the book "Stranger in a Strange Land"

Robert Heinlein

It essentially means to know something as one know one’s self. Ie to grok something is to know and understand it completely. That’s the way I remember it meaning at least. It may have been defined more precisely in the book.

The book is pretty good, by the way and worth the read if you can get past the slightly sexist tones of the writer (it was written in the 50s or 60s I think).

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Response to aidbo (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:44 PM

17. I tried to read it a few years ago. It just doesn't hold up.

Lots of dated language, obnoxious characters, and "witty" dialogue that I suppose was pretty edgy way back in the mid-20th century, but now it's just cringy. It's like reading the Playboy party jokes from an issue during the Kennedy era.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

23. yeah i must have read it about 30 years ago now..




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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 04:43 PM

32. Sigh

Yeah, a lot of the old SF/F tales I loved back in the day have been visited by the ‘sucks fairy’ when I’ve tried to reread them. Heinlein was more progressive wrt sexism and racism for his time. Part of why I loved him as a teen in the 60s was his female characters - oh goody, girls who can do things besides screeching/fainting, being a sex object and getting coffee, or just being absent altogether. Sucks fairy got him, though.

Funny corollary, I watch some of those younger people on YouTube who listen to old (read ‘my‘) music and ‘react’. In a couple of recent videos, the generational differences in what was shocking and what wasn’t popped up.

These two college kids, both guys, listened to The Kinks "Lola" (for those who don’t know it’s about a guy falling for a ‘girl’ and discovering she’s trans but being ok with it. It was a extremely edgy at the time). The kids understood the ‘story’ but didn’t blink an eye and just talked about the instruments, beat, musicality, etc. Later, they listened to The Police’s "Don’t Stand So Close to Me" (about male HS teacher being pursued by young girl student and being tempted). The kids reacted with astonishment and some negativity to the theme but thought it was a catchy tune.

Times and culture change, often for the better.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

27. I read both the highly-edited (i.e. Censored) original in the early/mid 60's, and then Heinlein's

complete manuscript as the 30th anniversary edition. More than a third had been censored out of the original publication.

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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:18 PM

8. Grok is far older than Twitter.


"Grok /ˈɡrɒk/ is a neologism coined by American writer Robert A. Heinlein for his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. While the Oxford English Dictionary summarizes the meaning of grok as "to understand intuitively or by empathy, to establish rapport with" and "to empathize or communicate sympathetically (with); also, to experience enjoyment", Heinlein's concept is far more nuanced, with critic Istvan Csicsery-Ronay Jr. observing that "the book's major theme can be seen as an extended definition of the term". The concept of grok garnered significant critical scrutiny in the years after the book's initial publication. The term and aspects of the underlying concept have become part of communities as diverse as polyamory (in particular the Church of All Worlds) and computer science."



From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

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Response to Hugin (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:21 PM

9. Thanks. I should have googled it but was not sure

And the question now is, in what context did Rachel use it..

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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:29 PM

13. It's a word science fiction writer Robert Heinlein invented for "to understand intuitively"

that got into dictionaries. Heinlein isn't to everyone's taste, of course; he is rather libertarian.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:56 PM

19. I always hated that word because

by far the biggest asshole in my high school used it all the time and was an insufferable prig. And an insufferable prick. His first name was Martin, and if by any chance you’re reading this, fuck you.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:01 PM

20. Heinlein wrote for 13-year-old boys.

Even when he was writing for adults.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:10 PM

21. At one point in the 1930s Heinlein was a socialist.

He was heavily involved in Upton Sinclair’s EPIC campaign. His first novel, For Us the Living (unpublished until after his death) advocated a universal basis income.

Heinlein’s politics were really a reflection of his spouse’s. Second wife Leslyn was a socialist. Third wife Virginia was a libertarian.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:23 PM

10. I always knew that Rachael

Determined herself to be a fair witness

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:25 PM

11. That was a rare blast from the past.

She must be another fan, who else could recall - or even remember - that word after all this time?

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Response to procon (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:19 PM

24. Hey, I remember it, and use it.

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Response to niyad (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:23 AM

26. So do I!

I loved that book when I was in high school.

I have not re-read it in 50 years. I want to remember it fondly. The vast majority of books I liked back then are books I do not like now. So, I stopped trying to re-read them.

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Response to CozyMystery (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:36 AM

29. Jubal Harshaw remains one of my favourite fictional characters.

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Response to procon (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 04:39 PM

31. I don't know

I haven't even read the book (never much liked Heinlein) but all my (geeky, scifi- reading) friends in college used the word routinely. I still do. It's a useful word.

I assume I'm not unique.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:26 PM

12. "I grok Spock"

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:33 AM

28. I have heard her use it a number of times.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:39 PM

15. I just used that term in regards to talking about Kris Kobach

Apparently he's trying to get some funds from that We Build the Wall thing that he and Steve Bannon were part of, but its assets are currently frozen. I said, "I don't totally grok all the legalese, but safe to say, those court-ordered remedial law classes he had to take didn't stick."

TlalocW

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:40 PM

16. I've heard her say it before.

If she's a SF geek, I like her even better.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 08:53 PM

18. Awww...Heinlein was such a great part of my adolescence.

Mind you, I grew up and he didn’t but I still have a huge soft spot for the old poop.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

22. Rachel will be on Sunday night

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 11:33 PM

25. A good word.

I didn't make it through the book, though. Back in the day.

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Response to jeffreyi (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 03:43 PM

30. Imagine if you had read it as he originally wrote it.

He cut 60,000 words out of the first draft.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:31 PM

33. I was in line at a drive through and I heard Rachel used "grok" again

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