'Biden Republicans' think collapse of Republican Party could happen as a consequence of Trump

[ck4829]

Asked by Rick Newman at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit this week about different scenarios for the Republican party, Fiorina gamed it out, saying that “every single one of the alternatives” is on the table.

“One of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is, we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party,” she said.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who challenged Donald Trump in the 2020 primaries and already voted for Biden, predicted a new party in a recent interview. “I think in January and February, frankly, whether Trump wins or loses, you're going to see an effort by moderate Republicans, joined by moderate Democrats, some practical libertarians, many environmentalists, the old Green Party, come together,” he said. “It'll be a new party.”

Another one of President Trump’s 2020 challengers, Joe Walsh, has said “the Republican Party is done. It’s breaking up before our very eyes.”

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/third-party-joe-biden-republican-supporters-donald-trump-170245426.html

The Republican Party has indeed been taken over by QAnons and the right-wing Evangelicals who think we need disastrous wars in the Middle East to cause the apocalypse. I wouldn't vote for this new party, but I think a party that replaces what is left of the moderate wing of the Republican Party and seems to be in the mold of a modern Teddy Roosevelt based on what Weld said would be easier to compromise with.

[roamer65]

1. No thanks. I'll stick with the Democratic Party.

[ck4829]

2. I think we all would

[Silent3]

8. Me too, but an opposition party (one that's not totally corrupt and bonkers) is a necessary thing

A one party system almost inevitably becomes corrupt. There will always be ambitious and unscrupulous people, and if there's only one party that's the means to attain power, that's where all of those ambitious and unscrupulous people go.

Which is of course also why in theocracies the ruling religion becomes very corrupt.

[OnDoutside]

17. There's a bigger picture that could emerge where the far right and

far left of the political spectrum are squeezed out and whatever remains of the GOP fights to reposition itself closer to the center. Personally I think the genie is out of the racist bottle and the GOP is so corrupted, a new party may well emerge after the GOP combusts, or it may go the way of the California GOP and drop to third. Either way there's a lot going to happen, there's no going back.

[roamer65]

25. The Lincoln Project is going to be into the fray as well.

It’s gonna be interesting, to say the least.

[OnDoutside]

27. Yes, their aim of going after the enablers like Haley will get plenty of

support.

[roamer65]

29. It will get mine.

The best defense is a good offense.

[OnDoutside]

30. Well said.

[regnaD kciN]

3. Yeah, right...

If Trump loses, we'll see a battle over the identity of that party, but it will still probably be under the control of the reich-wingers looking for "the next Trump."

If Trump wins...the odds on a third, centrist party are nil. (We may well be on our way to a one-party state like other authoritarians.) In any event, as long as our elections are "winner-take-all," there will be no room for a third party, except to cannibalize the side of the spectrum to which they're closest.

[roamer65]

5. Reminds me of the breakup of the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.

Brian Mulroney took that party from a majority in parliament down to 2 seats in the election of 1993. The PC party broke up in into splinter parties in Canada and did not reunify until 10 years later.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. Right. It seems as if the most a third party could do is rally around some regional issue

And win/have real influence in a few states. Look how quickly Ross Perot's third party died out.

[elleng]

4. SHOULD happen.

[jaysunb]

7. Agreed n/t

[roamer65]

6. If we take TX, the Repuke party is finished.

It will eat itself alive.

[Xolodno]

9. I don't think so.

The two party system is too well entrenched.

They say this, but its bullshit, its fluff to get who they can to support them. Their first goal, dump Trump. Second, get rid of Congress people still marching goose step with the radical right. Third, force Trumpers, TEA Party, etc. to form their own party....and let them fail, while they regain control of the GOP.

Rush Limbaugh is on his death bed, Alex Jones is going to become broke and regulated to obscurity, Hannity is on his way out of Fox, Murdoch is aging, etc. Some nut cases will still be there, but they'll get their marching orders and tow the line to moderate. Don't like it, go work for OAN or Brietbart which doesn't pay nearly as well.

They'll rewrite the platform which has only seen minor revisions over a long time and move it left. The Democratic Party assembled a coalition, due to Trump, that reached from the hard left wing to moderates who used to be the sane Republicans. They want to take the middle and just left of middle.

Then challenge the Democratic Party and push aside the withering racist and religious right base. They made the mistake of catering to them too much. Probably bring back their smaller efficient government mantra. Have to think, this is why Moscow Mitch was packing the courts with extreme right wingers, its a last act of desperation.

[DFW]

10. No way

As long as there will be unhappy, angry people, there will be other people ready and willing to exploit them. Thus there will always be a Republican party. It will suffer setbacks, as it did in 2008, but the people angered and frightened by their defeat will just get meaner, and come back more extreme than before. Just remember another Party who suffered a humiliation 97 years ago, and then came back to win power just ten years later, better organized and more ruthless than before.

[tinrobot]

11. The Green Party? It already is Republican.

...or at least funded by Republicans to be used as a spoiler.

[Renew Deal]

13. They have to understand that there is no getting along with the Green Party

Being pro-environment and minimum wage increase is no longer enough for the true believers. It would be a mistake to trust them.

[OnDoutside]

18. 100% agree. Never trust a one issue party, they will compromise

everything else in the pursuit of the core aim.

[Renew Deal]

12. For this to work, a lot of republican office holders would have to switch

And the combination of Biden not running for re-election and weak Republican leadership (McCarthy is a joke), makes it plausible. Democrats would probably win big in 2024. The party would be a threat by 2028. The question is whether the Bakers, Sasse’s, and Hogan’s of the world go. Also, where does Ted Cruz land? He’s crazy enough for the republicans, but smart enough to know what he’s doing is BS.

[airmid]

14. The moderate wing of the Republican Party...that's a joke, right?

[Cosmocat]

15. He is a symptom, not a cause

The party created him. Not the other way around. 3+ decades of fanatical brain washing 40% of the country to believe we "liberals" are the antichrist embodied to justify how hortible they are.

This does not magically disappear if he loses and we get him out if there.

[Raster]

16. I want the rethuglican party* to be so small and trivial...

... we could drown its nasty ass in a bathtub.

Vote. Every. Republican. Out. Of. Office.
None of them deserves re-election.
All of them are guilty of subverting democracy.
NOTHING will ever get better in the United States until the GOP* is gone!

#VoteEveryRepublicanOut #DeleteTheGOP #BurnDownTheGOP

[Buckeye_Democrat]

19. Maybe it will bring back the Know Nothing party?

It's a good description of many Trump supporters, plus a match for the anti-immigration and nativist traits of the former party in this country.

[Volaris]

20. I agree with your last paragraph, because AT LEAST those peeps are willing to do SOMETHING

To protect the environment. If that problem doesnt get a solution and right quick, discussions of what the corporate tax rate should be will be quaint ones happening around a campfire after the hunters have returned with the meat.

Universal Healthcare will be discussions that involve the medicine man in the next village (arent they lucky), and Public Education will consist of taking this years 13 year olds out into the woods to teach them where the fresh meat COMES from.

[Windy City Charlie]

22. What you'll probably see

What you will probably see after Trump losing the election is his enablers in the party finally throwing him under the bus. In turn, Trump will do the same to them. They'll blame each other for the bad election results. It'll be interesting to see who drops the gauntlet first (most likely Trump). The enablers thought his base was so strong that they didn't want to alienate him, out of fear they'd be primaried. I think it's going to be a dog-eat-dog situation for the Republicans for awhile.

[abqtommy]

23. I got a little notice hung on my door yesterday inviting me to vote for the Socialist Party.

I threw it away. I'm not wasting my time with no-account startups or reTHUG has-beens.

[GoCubsGo]

24. They are right about their party's self-destruction.

But, they long ago burned their bridges with environmentalists and moderate Democrats. They lost the trust of these groups years ago, and rightfully so. They sat back while Frankenstein built his monster, now let them live with the consequences, which includes being pariahs.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

26. Yes, please. nt

[NNadir]

28. The argument has been made, and I think it a good one, that we need a principled opposition.

The suicide committed by the Republican party in becoming a cult of personality - a racist and ignorant personality - was not good for our country.

I am a lifelong Democrat, and have never voted for a Republican in my life, but frankly, I mourn the loss of the Republican Party of Gerald Ford and that ilk. It is not good for America that honest debate has become impossible.