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Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:49 PM

Biden has huge lead among voters who sat out 2016 in key states

I found this on the New York Times today but since I'm one of those fools who pays for news, it wasn't stuck behind a paywall for me. Johnathan Martin has a long breakdown about the final state of the election. One part of the article that he was making a big deal about in a CNN interview this afternoon was this:

In Wisconsin, voters who did not cast a ballot in 2016 favor Mr. Biden by 19 points. They have a similarly lopsided preference in Florida, where Mr. Biden leads by 17 points. His advantage with people who did not vote in 2016 is 12 points in Pennsylvania and 7 points in Arizona.

Many of the those who said they did not vote in 2016 said they had already voted this year. In Florida and Arizona, more than two thirds of nonvoters in 2016 who were identified as likely voters this year said that they had already cast a ballot. That figure was 56 percent in Wisconsin and 36 percent in Pennsylvania.



I don't think I need to explain why this finding is a massive deal. The backlash against Trump looks like it could be massive and severe. No guarantees but I think we might have some huge surprises on election day (in the best way possible)


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/politics/biden-trump-poll-florida-pennsylvania-wisconsin.html

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Reply Biden has huge lead among voters who sat out 2016 in key states (Original post)
Dr. Jack Nov 2020 OP
BlueMTexpat Nov 2020 #1
Dr. Jack Nov 2020 #2
Blue Owl Nov 2020 #3
BComplex Nov 2020 #4
Gothmog Nov 2020 #5
bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #6
LisaL Nov 2020 #7
lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #13
Tommymac Nov 2020 #10
rocktivity Nov 2020 #8
lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #14
bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #15
rocktivity Nov 2020 #18
rocktivity Nov 2020 #20
Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #9
Aristus Nov 2020 #11
lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #12
quakerboy Nov 2020 #16
FakeNoose Nov 2020 #17
cstanleytech Nov 2020 #19

Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:51 PM

1. I could literally wring

All their necks!

But I'll wait until after Nov 3.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:57 PM

2. Yes, beat Trump first

We need to take any allies that we can, even Republicans, within reason. We can sort out our difference or purge them from our ranks after the election but for now, almost any ally is welcome.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:00 PM

3. The price of laziness and indifference...



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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:07 PM

4. I am so hoping that it works for down-ballot races, as well. I don't want ANY

REPUBLICAN TO EVER win any election again. I've had it with them.

And we Dems need to start putting together wording for some new laws that don't have any holes in them, in order to repair the damage that has been done to our country in favor of special interests and criminals in power.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:37 PM

5. It is hard to judge how these voters voted

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 10:43 AM

6. I think this is a yes, but

we're lagging in election day voting, and in new registrants. I'm thinking it will be those 2 groups against our young voters and how much we can improve our turnout numbers tomorrow. We still struggle with minority turnout.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 10:44 AM

7. How can we be lagging in election day voting when election is tomorrow?

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:09 PM

13. Yeah, that's odd isn't it?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:44 PM

10. No way we struggle with Minority turnout this year. BLM

And the youth vote is huge - historic levels so far.

Seniors are breaking big for Biden.

Women are breaking big for Biden.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:01 PM

8. Well, duh, LOL!!!

Last edited Fri Jul 9, 2021, 02:41 PM - Edit history (11)

From 2016:


Trump supporters are a minority group, and always have been -- that's his deep, dark, ugly secret.

Aside from more people voting against him than for him in 2016, his rallies and media tantrums are meant to create the illusion that he is too massively loved to be challenged, never mind defeated (in every sense of the word). But even Russian interference can't bail him out if Biden's margins of victory are too wide. There's a new silent majority, and they appear to making themselves heard.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:12 PM

14. Trump voters are making themselves herd.

Unfortunately, Trump is thinning the herd - death by COVIDiocy, and now by hypothermia.

We'll see how that herd immunity works out for them.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:23 PM

15. I know we can't have a poll tax

But some countries add a fee to income taxes for not voting, or so I was told around 2000. An Aussie told me it was $125 if you don't vote.

Courts might rule it a poll tax. But couldn't we refuse to issue tax refunds if you don't vote? The amount would vary, so it's not a fee.

Of course, would we be any better off if 100,000,000 voters who don't pay attention to issues are forced to make a voting decision based on political advertising?

Democracy is not for the ignorant, but we've tried hard to make it so.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:25 PM

18. What if we did it the other way around

and turned voting into an income tax exemption?


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

20. More than 100 million cast their ballots early

Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2020, 03:34 AM - Edit history (8)

according to TheGrio.com. So far, nearly 150 million votes have been counted, and Joe has nearly 80 million of them, according to the Associated Press. Where did those extra 21 million voters come from since 2016? That "green zone" I just mentioned!


rocktivity

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:05 PM

9. LV models might not have counted them.

On a podcast, Silver mentioned that a lot of likely voter models might discount such voters.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:45 PM

11. This is a big fucking deal!

Shout-out to our excellent candidate!

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:08 PM

12. Excellent! Blue Tsunami visible on the horizon.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Nov 3, 2020, 09:21 AM

16. Imagine what could have been if

Biden had run in 2016

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Nov 3, 2020, 02:02 PM

17. Yes I've been saying this for a long time

... even before the Covid year. It has been obvious to most of us that Chump has messed up everything he has ever touched. People can only give him the benefit of the doubt for SO LONG. And then finally it dawns on them that Chump will never get anything right, EVER!

I'm not talking about the brainwashed zombies, I'm talking about the "I'm not going to bother" voters, or the "eeny-meany-miney-moe" voters of 2016. People who truly REGRET voting for Chump last time -- they are angry and embarrassed that they gave him their vote. Or they just ignored the whole thing in 2016 because "everybody knows both parties are the same."

Those are the motivated voters who won't make the same mistake, and they probably weren't counted in the early polls because many aren't registered in either party. These backlash voters are ripe for enrolling as new members in the Democratic Party, and they will hopefully join our happy group in our big tent.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:56 PM

19. Ya and a number of them are regret voters as well that rightly feel responsible for Trump being

in office because had they voted 4 years ago he would not be President currently.

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