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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:02 AM Nov 2020

New Yorker - Why Trump Can't Afford to Lose

The President has survived one impeachment, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. That run of good luck may well end, perhaps brutally, if Joe Biden wins.
By Jane Mayer
November 1, 2020
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose

No American President has ever been charged with a criminal offense. But, as Donald Trump fights to hold on to the White House, he and those around him surely know that if he loses—an outcome that nobody should count on—the presumption of immunity that attends the Presidency will vanish. Given that more than a dozen investigations and civil suits involving Trump are currently under way, he could be looking at an endgame even more perilous than the one confronted by Nixon. The Presidential historian Michael Beschloss said of Trump, “If he loses, you have a situation that’s not dissimilar to that of Nixon when he resigned. Nixon spoke of the cell door clanging shut.” Trump has famously survived one impeachment, two divorces, six bankruptcies, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. Few people have evaded consequences more cunningly. That run of good luck may well end, perhaps brutally, if he loses to Joe Biden. Even if Trump wins, grave legal and financial threats will loom over his second term.

Two of the investigations into Trump are being led by powerful state and city law-enforcement officials in New York. Cyrus Vance, Jr., the Manhattan District Attorney, and Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, are independently pursuing potential criminal charges related to Trump’s business practices before he became President. Because their jurisdictions lie outside the federal realm, any indictments or convictions resulting from their actions would be beyond the reach of a Presidential pardon. Trump’s legal expenses alone are likely to be daunting. (By the time Bill Clinton left the White House, he’d racked up more than ten million dollars in legal fees.) And Trump’s finances are already under growing strain. During the next four years, according to a stunning recent Times report, Trump—whether reëlected or not—must meet payment deadlines for more than three hundred million dollars in loans that he has personally guaranteed; much of this debt is owed to such foreign creditors as Deutsche Bank. Unless he can refinance with the lenders, he will be on the hook. The Financial Times, meanwhile, estimates that, in all, about nine hundred million dollars’ worth of Trump’s real-estate debt will come due within the next four years. At the same time, he is locked in a dispute with the Internal Revenue Service over a deduction that he has claimed on his income-tax forms; an adverse ruling could cost him an additional hundred million dollars. To pay off such debts, the President, whose net worth is estimated by Forbes to be two and a half billion dollars, could sell some of his most valuable real-estate assets—or, as he has in the past, find ways to stiff his creditors. But, according to an analysis by the Washington Post, Trump’s properties—especially his hotels and resorts—have been hit hard by the pandemic and the fallout from his divisive political career. “It’s the office of the Presidency that’s keeping him from prison and the poorhouse,” Timothy Snyder, a history professor at Yale who studies authoritarianism, told me.

The White House declined to answer questions for this article, and if Trump has made plans for a post-Presidential life he hasn’t shared them openly. A business friend of his from New York said, “You can’t broach it with him. He’d be furious at the suggestion that he could lose.” In better times, Trump has revelled in being President. Last winter, a Cabinet secretary told me Trump had confided that he couldn’t imagine returning to his former life as a real-estate developer. As the Cabinet secretary recalled, the two men were gliding along in a motorcade, surrounded by throngs of adoring supporters, when Trump remarked, “Isn’t this incredible? After this, I could never return to ordering windows. It would be so boring.”

...

Barbara Res, whose new book, “Tower of Lies,” draws on the eighteen years that she spent, off and on, developing and managing construction projects for Trump, also thinks that the President is not just running for a second term—he is running from the law. “One of the reasons he’s so crazily intent on winning is all the speculation that prosecutors will go after him,” she said. “It would be a very scary spectre.” She calculated that, if Trump loses, “he’ll never, ever acknowledge it—he’ll leave the country.” Res noted that, at a recent rally, Trump mused to the crowd about fleeing, ad-libbing, “Could you imagine if I lose? I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country—I don’t know.” It’s questionable how realistic such talk is, but Res pointed out that Trump could go “live in one of his buildings in another country,” adding, “He can do business from anywhere.”


He should be forced to surrender his passport when he concedes.
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New Yorker - Why Trump Can't Afford to Lose (Original Post) Roland99 Nov 2020 OP
The Trump family must pay for their crimes. dalton99a Nov 2020 #1
I agree. There's no way ANY of them should be above the law. BComplex Nov 2020 #13
Read that analysis. Too many loose ends for me. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #2
"...if Trump has made plans for a post-Presidential life he hasn't shared them openly." Thomas Hurt Nov 2020 #3
Yeah, his buddy Putin has told him he can be president for life because there are RKP5637 Nov 2020 #8
Trump already said at a rally that he might leave... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #4
I wonder where he would go that wouldn't extradite him....Russia? sboatcar Nov 2020 #12
I think Putin thinks trump is a "loser" now that he's so far behind in the election. BComplex Nov 2020 #14
He might be waiting for the election results to burn him sboatcar Nov 2020 #18
I also think it wouldn't deter Trump supporters sboatcar Nov 2020 #19
I wish every Trump supporter would read the case filed by the 13-year-old Trump raped. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #52
Why is it that this story hasn't grown legs yet? sboatcar Nov 2020 #62
Good question. I think the victim had so many death threats that she just dropped out of sight. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #66
But when he gives Putin Air Force 1, Putin and the KGB will be very happy LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #36
Hell! He's given them everything else they ever wanted. He's probably given them BComplex Nov 2020 #39
Not the crypto codes and others. He does not know them. They are in all the hardware. Even the LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #42
The stuff my dreams are made of.. mountain grammy Nov 2020 #40
Ukraine? Saudi Arabia? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #17
I bet Kim would invite him to stay in N. Korea. nt zackymilly Nov 2020 #43
When Trump ceases to be useful to Putin, Putin will discard him like a piece of used jet trash. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #53
Either that or poison him like the Russians enjoy doing... Illumination Nov 2020 #57
Justice (re: a criminal president), for once, would be nice. Solly Mack Nov 2020 #5
It's not up to him malaise Nov 2020 #6
It's become a weird fucken country, not what I learned in school. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2020 #9
I predict that he will escape to the UAE. Laelth Nov 2020 #7
If he loses there sure is going to be a lot of scrambling going on in trump-land, and RKP5637 Nov 2020 #11
I admit that I DO worry about our national treasures. Laelth Nov 2020 #21
... or depending on his mood take a knife and start cutting/destroying the paintings. RKP5637 Nov 2020 #24
That's actual work Retrograde Nov 2020 #63
Right. Also look @ the hatchet job Melania did to the W.H. grounds!...Talk about NO respect! Illumination Nov 2020 #60
Melania has no taste Retrograde Nov 2020 #64
Those are some interesting points you made Retrograde that I never thought about... Illumination Nov 2020 #68
Probably a side deal on the F-35 purchase. Klaralven Nov 2020 #16
Not just that. Laelth Nov 2020 #20
He'll be out of the country before inauguration day. ooky Nov 2020 #10
He will fly out of the US with them in toe. Laelth Nov 2020 #27
I thought of that. It could happen that way, but ooky Nov 2020 #28
He doesn't care about it looking suspicious. Laelth Nov 2020 #29
You could very well be right. Seems like it could be a national security matter though. I wonder ooky Nov 2020 #34
Unlikely. The Secret Service will be loyal to him until Jan. 21, 2021. Laelth Nov 2020 #37
Jan 20. niyad Nov 2020 #58
The electronics and crypto is worth more to Russia, China or others than anything else Trump could LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #41
The US will keep the plane. Laelth Nov 2020 #44
In that scenario, Trump has nothing to offer the accepting power. No knowledge or anything. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #47
He already paid UAE ... via the treaty with Israel and a bunch of F-35s. n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #50
A few things. First, he can't ditch his SS team. Next, even leaving the USA won't work.... machoneman Nov 2020 #15
I disagree. UAE will take him, and he will love it there. Laelth Nov 2020 #22
"He should be forced to surrender his passport when he concedes." - He won't concede. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #23
NY AG Letitia James, I want you to get the first big bite on him. NCjack Nov 2020 #25
I would be fine if he leaves the country Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #26
revoke his US passport, put sanctions on him NewJeffCT Nov 2020 #48
My worry is that his cult Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #30
I think if he's tried in D.C., Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #45
"...when he concedes"? Harker Nov 2020 #31
He concedes a lot - just never admits it Retrograde Nov 2020 #65
Point taken. Harker Nov 2020 #67
Can you imagine the floodgates of people within the government who will start singing kimbutgar Nov 2020 #32
I agree with your last line pandr32 Nov 2020 #33
Assuming that which we must not jinx - the number one hashtag in November will be... Pluvious Nov 2020 #35
I'm sure he'll face that eventuality with all the grace in his statesman-like being. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #38
More importantly to me - how do the tens of millions of DEPLORABLES react if littlehands is found NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #46
I encourage the legal system to run its full course, then Lock. Him. Up. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #49
He won't be allowed in another country.... Jon King Nov 2020 #51
He'll be allowed in on sight and won't even need his passport. UAE's got what it needed from him ancianita Nov 2020 #55
Suspect you are correct. The cost of offering the orange dime Enoki33 Nov 2020 #56
We all fantasize that Trumpass rusty fender Nov 2020 #54
I trust Vance as far as... zentrum Nov 2020 #59
"He should be forced to surrender his passport when he concedes." Texin Nov 2020 #61

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
13. I agree. There's no way ANY of them should be above the law.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:30 AM
Nov 2020

Not after what they've put this country through.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. "...if Trump has made plans for a post-Presidential life he hasn't shared them openly."
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:06 AM
Nov 2020

The Pig has no intention of having a post-Presidential life, he intends to be President for life.

He won't succeed but everything he has said and done about it being unfair, and elections being fixed, and he deserves another term for do overs, and fortifying the WH.

All points to one thing...

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
8. Yeah, his buddy Putin has told him he can be president for life because there are
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:24 AM
Nov 2020

so many stupid, naive and poorly educated people in the US to vote for him, all those deplorables. And he still owes Putin a lot more favors.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
4. Trump already said at a rally that he might leave...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

... the country if he loses.

He seemed to imply it was because of disappointment, but he clearly wants to save his own ass just like his previous self-absorbed actions.

sboatcar

(412 posts)
12. I wonder where he would go that wouldn't extradite him....Russia?
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:29 AM
Nov 2020

But I think Putin is probably just playing him for a sucker. He'd probably let him stay until his money was gone and then toss him back to us.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
14. I think Putin thinks trump is a "loser" now that he's so far behind in the election.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

I'd be surprised if putin doesn't send some of his goons after trump. It would be REALLY cool if putin released the pictures/videos he has of trump. That would be so awesome!

sboatcar

(412 posts)
18. He might be waiting for the election results to burn him
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:47 AM
Nov 2020

perhaps Putin thinks he could still be his useful idiot.

sboatcar

(412 posts)
19. I also think it wouldn't deter Trump supporters
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:49 AM
Nov 2020

Unless he was actually photographed having sex with a child, I don't think there would be anything that would sway them. Even then they might be like "Yeah sure he's a pedophile child rapist, but the economy! And it'll own the libtards if he wins!"

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
52. I wish every Trump supporter would read the case filed by the 13-year-old Trump raped.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:35 PM
Nov 2020

The case was first dropped because of death threats and later settled, but her description of the rape at Epstein’s house is just stomach turning. Another person in the house corroborated her story. Here’s the link, though I warn you it is not pleasant reading and the details may stay with you far longer than you want.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.1.0.pdf

sboatcar

(412 posts)
62. Why is it that this story hasn't grown legs yet?
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:39 PM
Nov 2020

I keep hearing about it, and god, how awful for all those little girls, and who knows how many more there are that haven't reported. I assume there were some pretty strict NDAs involved with the settlements, but how enforceable would they be if they involved criminal acts?

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
66. Good question. I think the victim had so many death threats that she just dropped out of sight.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:37 PM
Nov 2020

And sonthe media dropped it too because the case was never brought to trial. Reading this just made me sick—and so angry that a man like that is desecrating our White House right now when he should be behind bars. And angry that his oh-so-holy evangelical supporters refuse to acknowledge him as the depraved, amoral monster he is.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
39. Hell! He's given them everything else they ever wanted. He's probably given them
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

the codes to the nukes, for all we know.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
42. Not the crypto codes and others. He does not know them. They are in all the hardware. Even the
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

secure telephones and video have crypto codes to keep anyone from listening in.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
17. Ukraine? Saudi Arabia?
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:42 AM
Nov 2020

Not sure where he could go, but those countries don't have extradition treaties with us AFAIK.

I can imagine him "disappearing" if he sticks around Putin very long. Trump would probably be willing to trade him secrets for sanctuary.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
53. When Trump ceases to be useful to Putin, Putin will discard him like a piece of used jet trash.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:37 PM
Nov 2020

Putin is KGB. They use people at their discretion, then discard them when no longer useful. IOW, Trump is nearing the end of his luck.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
5. Justice (re: a criminal president), for once, would be nice.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

Actual justice. Not some let the healing begin by allowing the thugs to walk free bullshit. Or the labeling of crimes as policy bullshit.

I won't be holding my breath.

malaise

(268,664 posts)
6. It's not up to him
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

Imagine if every other criminal could hide from the law by becoming president.
How fucked up is that?

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
11. If he loses there sure is going to be a lot of scrambling going on in trump-land, and
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

imagine all of the artwork, etc. he will try to loot from the White House before he leaves.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
21. I admit that I DO worry about our national treasures.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:54 AM
Nov 2020

Trump has already stolen some of them from the US Ambassador’s residence in Paris, and, if he can get away with it, there’s no reason to believe that he will not loot the White House.

-Laelth

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
24. ... or depending on his mood take a knife and start cutting/destroying the paintings.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:12 PM
Nov 2020

I don't trust him one bit being he's a sociopath, narcissist, sadist and racist ... and other things.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
60. Right. Also look @ the hatchet job Melania did to the W.H. grounds!...Talk about NO respect!
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

Besides that deplorable distasteful jacket she wore!...They don't give a crap & it's all about the $!

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
64. Melania has no taste
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:25 PM
Nov 2020

odd for someone with a supposed background in fashion and who hung around in the NYC Vogue circle.

What I do expect - there are probably some designers who created outfits for her in order to get publicity. She's supposed to give those back (or maybe donate them to the Smithsonian or something like that): if she wants to keep them, she has to pay for them. Michelle Obama actually did pay for some outfits created for her that she wanted to keep: all the Trumps seem to be takers, though. I wouldn't mind some prosecutions for accepting gifts over the legal nominal amount.

ETA: as soon as they're gone, I want a camera crew in the White House living quarters filming their decorating style - we can have a national contest to guess the surface area covered in gold (or imitation gold) leaf!

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
68. Those are some interesting points you made Retrograde that I never thought about...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:55 PM
Nov 2020

I'm afraid we're going to be dealing with the effects of these squatters (& those associated with them) for years!...We had no idea how wonderful life truly was before January 2017! Could have NEVER imagined how horrible it would become either! We can still be hopeful for some positive change soon though...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. Not just that.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:50 AM
Nov 2020

There was no reason for Trump to be involved in the recent treaty between UAE and Israel. I suspect that Bibi promised to defend the UAE if UAE would grant asylum to Trump. UAE is an autocracy, big on hotels and tourism, and ready for a new Trump golf course. They have no extradition treaty with the United States. It would be perfect for Trump. They are also tee-totalers, like Trump. They even have McDonalds. Trump would be in heaven.

-Laelth

ooky

(8,905 posts)
10. He'll be out of the country before inauguration day.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

The question is how he will ditch his secret service detail.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
27. He will fly out of the US with them in toe.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:30 PM
Nov 2020

Then, once he’s safely guarded by his UAE equivalents, he will kindly offer them a flight home.

Easy peasy.

-Laelth

ooky

(8,905 posts)
28. I thought of that. It could happen that way, but
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:49 PM
Nov 2020

any flights he takes out of the country on AF1 that late in the game will look very suspicious. He may also have his enablers out looking for a bathroom window big enough to fit his ass through.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. He doesn't care about it looking suspicious.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

If I am right, he has already worked this out with Bibi. He will land in Tel Aviv, switch to a new plane headed to UAE, and it will be a done deal.

-Laelth

ooky

(8,905 posts)
34. You could very well be right. Seems like it could be a national security matter though. I wonder
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

if he could somehow be stopped on the way out?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
37. Unlikely. The Secret Service will be loyal to him until Jan. 21, 2021.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:01 PM
Nov 2020

That’s as it should be. If he orders them fly with him to Tel Aviv prior to Jan. 21, 2021, I suspect that they will. If he then orders them to abandon him and fly home, I suspect that they will do that too ... so long as he is the President.

-Laelth

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
41. The electronics and crypto is worth more to Russia, China or others than anything else Trump could
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

a foreign power.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
44. The US will keep the plane.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:08 PM
Nov 2020

In the scenario I imagine, Trump abandons the plane in Tel Aviv and orders it to fly home. Then, Israel and UAE arrange for a separate flight to UAE for their new, celebrated immigrant.

-Laelth

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
47. In that scenario, Trump has nothing to offer the accepting power. No knowledge or anything.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:16 PM
Nov 2020

At least Snowden has knowledge of the working of the NSA.

Trump went in to bring the US to about the same point as the Soviet Union when it fell. He can do no more for his masters. They are hoping for riots now. He will fly out and offer a prize to his friends.

machoneman

(3,994 posts)
15. A few things. First, he can't ditch his SS team. Next, even leaving the USA won't work....
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:36 AM
Nov 2020

..as no country save Russia would take him in as such a high profile escapee. Even then, Putin would be under tremendous pressure to give him up as he's nothing to gain AFTER Trumpy is no longer president. In fact,. keeping Trumpy would hurt his standing here, in other free countries and even among many of his own countrymen.

Best of all, he loses not only all the protections a sitting president has (like no prosecution) but also all the free legal help (AG Barr, FBI, ,etc) from the WH staff lawyers as well. Simply, he now has to pay all the bills himself. I sincerely doubt any Republican Pac, Super-Pac or the RNC would pay for his defense. Further, even well-heeled Republican backers, losing the Senate and losing even more House seats, would open their wallet to defend a loser.

Reduced to begging for dollars, campaign dollars already depleted by Pascale, Trumpy would need to get his demoralized degenerates to pony up even more after his historic failure. I don't a lot of cash coming out of their pockets.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. "He should be forced to surrender his passport when he concedes." - He won't concede.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:59 AM
Nov 2020

But his passport should be revoked.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
26. I would be fine if he leaves the country
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:24 PM
Nov 2020

1. Good riddance
2. That would show his supporters that he's really not a patriot.

Mr.Bill

(24,228 posts)
30. My worry is that his cult
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

will live for generations, or at least until long after he dies, and no trial will ever be able to seat a 12 person jury that wil unanimously convict him of anything. He will spend the rest of his life broke and humiliated, in courtrooms with hung juries.

Turin_C3PO

(13,896 posts)
45. I think if he's tried in D.C.,
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:09 PM
Nov 2020

he might have a jury of twelve that will convict him. The city hates him, very low approval rating there.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
65. He concedes a lot - just never admits it
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:33 PM
Nov 2020

Trump, despite what he thinks of himself, is a lousy negotiator. He won't meet with Pelosi because he knows he'll cave. Since he's been in office, just about every time he's had to make a deal it turns out bad for him or the US. He's been so sheltered and coddled all his life that even the smallest pushback will make him cave - or stomp off in a fit of rage.

kimbutgar

(21,040 posts)
32. Can you imagine the floodgates of people within the government who will start singing
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

And exposing how he used the presidency to enrich himself and his donors.? And showing evidence he gave secrets to Russia .

Pluvious

(4,305 posts)
35. Assuming that which we must not jinx - the number one hashtag in November will be...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:00 PM
Nov 2020

#TrumpIsAFlightRisk

BobTheSubgenius

(11,558 posts)
38. I'm sure he'll face that eventuality with all the grace in his statesman-like being.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

His internal dialogue - and maybe external, as well - will be something like:

"Well, I do deserve this, and I've had a good run. I'd rather not be living out my retirement in the Greybar Hotel, but I can't deny it's completely fitting."

NoMoreRepugs

(9,366 posts)
46. More importantly to me - how do the tens of millions of DEPLORABLES react if littlehands is found
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:15 PM
Nov 2020

guilty of serious financial or criminal sexual misconduct charges??

That's a whole lot of guns and ammo coming into play.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
51. He won't be allowed in another country....
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:32 PM
Nov 2020

The US can put enormous economic and other pressure on any country to not allow him residence. They can also incentivize them to send him back. Trump is not going to be able to flee.

ancianita

(35,926 posts)
55. He'll be allowed in on sight and won't even need his passport. UAE's got what it needed from him
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:50 PM
Nov 2020

and can't be pressured to give him up.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
56. Suspect you are correct. The cost of offering the orange dime
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:54 PM
Nov 2020

store Mussolini sanctuary far outweighs any possible benefits. Then there is the question of his family members who are also culpable. He likely doesn’t really care what happens to them, but they sure as hell do. And that opens up a host of other delectable possibilities.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
54. We all fantasize that Trumpass
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020

will go to jail, but it will never happen. His three oldest children will also never go to prison. Rich people like them always settle for paying fines, reduced sentences, etc.

The absolute best we can hope for is maybe a few weeks of home confinement, but even that is pie in the sky

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
59. I trust Vance as far as...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 02:04 PM
Nov 2020

…..I can throw him. He let Jarvanka skate for years. Trump family gave a lot of $$$$ to Vance's campaigns.

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