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Sogo

(4,986 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:32 PM Nov 2020

This may be a case where the Electoral College actually saves us.

I'm no legal nor constitutional expert, BUT

the election process is laid out in the constitution that the winner of the EC is the winner of the election. EC votes aren't awarded until a given state finishes counting, and the SOS certifies their vote. If the orange gasbag declares himself the "winner" before he's won the required number of EC votes, he's essentially declaring that he's QUITTING THE PROCESS. There's no such thing as him being "ahead." We don't go by the popular vote, remember? Presidential candidates either win (with 270) or they lose. There's nothing to declare before that happens.

...my two cents (which may be all it's worth).

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This may be a case where the Electoral College actually saves us. (Original Post) Sogo Nov 2020 OP
That assumes good faith on the part of Republican Secretaries of State and state legislatures RGTIndy Nov 2020 #1
Unless Trump concedes, he's not quitting anything. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #2
Yes. That's the point.... Sogo Nov 2020 #3
Doesn't seem like the point. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #6
There Is Something To That, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2020 #4
We would not need to be saved Big Blue Marble Nov 2020 #5
All vote total certifications are to be submitted by December 14. ancianita Nov 2020 #7
I recall G. Will writing recently, other points in which the EC could benefit the empedocles Nov 2020 #8
No, because if CA and NY votes counted equally relayerbob Nov 2020 #9
He's not going to demand that counting votes ... Whiskeytide Nov 2020 #10
Dems had BETTER not let him off the hook, no matter what. better Nov 2020 #14
The popular vote is CLEARLY ours... lame54 Nov 2020 #11
So what if some EC voters are MAGAts awesomerwb1 Nov 2020 #12
Not really. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #13
 

RGTIndy

(203 posts)
1. That assumes good faith on the part of Republican Secretaries of State and state legislatures
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:34 PM
Nov 2020

I'm not ready to assume that; and I am a lawyer, for what it's worth.

TwilightZone

(25,454 posts)
2. Unless Trump concedes, he's not quitting anything.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:35 PM
Nov 2020

Declaring himself the winner is a meaningless exercise. It has no legal standing or basis.

TwilightZone

(25,454 posts)
6. Doesn't seem like the point.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

You said that by declaring himself the winner, he's quitting the process. It's really nothing of the sort.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
4. There Is Something To That, Sir
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

As the saying goes, 'It ain't over till it's over', and running your mouth while the ball is in play puts nothing up on the scoreboard.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
8. I recall G. Will writing recently, other points in which the EC could benefit the
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:42 PM
Nov 2020

Dems in this Election.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
9. No, because if CA and NY votes counted equally
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:42 PM
Nov 2020

as compared to North Dakota or Wyoming votes, it wouldn't even be a close race at this time. Let's assume it ends like the polls suggest, 53-44. That's a 14+ million vote difference (in 2016 terms). I suspect it will be larger than that in the final popular vote.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
10. He's not going to demand that counting votes ...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:48 PM
Nov 2020

... just cease at some point. He’s going to pick a time when he’s ahead in EC votes, and then claim that any rebound by Biden is the result of the fraudulent ballots he’s been whistling about for the last few months.

He just wants something - anything - to challenge.

I’m beginning to join the camp that he only wants to be able to mount some kind of chaos situation so he can attempt to negotiate a deal with Biden to avoid prosecution for himself and his family. “Let me off the hook and I’ll go away” kind of thing. It fits with his perception of himself as a deal-maker and con-man.

better

(884 posts)
14. Dems had BETTER not let him off the hook, no matter what.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 03:18 PM
Nov 2020

If they do, it is officially time for full scale revolution.

lame54

(35,279 posts)
11. The popular vote is CLEARLY ours...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:50 PM
Nov 2020

The EC is the cause of our anxiety and the only path to Trump's theft



awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
12. So what if some EC voters are MAGAts
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:51 PM
Nov 2020

and decide to go rogue and vote for Dump in a state Joe won? Is it possible?

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
13. Not really.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 01:54 PM
Nov 2020

It would be highly unlikely for Trump to be ahead in the popular vote. So any call he makes will be based on presumptive electoral votes.

So it isn't the electoral college saving us, it is the electoral college that he intends to use to make an early call despite being behind in the popular vote.

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