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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFinal CNBC/Change Research polls: Biden +10 nationally, WI:+8, MI:+7, PA:+4, FL:+3, AZ: +3, NC:+2
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I don't know how I'm going to get through tomorrow.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...Kornaki on CNBC has the Pennsylvania numbers from that same poll as Biden +5 (59-45). It makes a pretty big difference; according to 538, Trump needs PA to be within 4 to have a realistic chance.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)That's over 100%. Just sayin'...
Sorry, this is my brain on Math.
Mariana
(14,856 posts)triron
(22,001 posts)triron
(22,001 posts)Polybius
(15,398 posts)That's enough to get to 270, assuming he holds onto Texas and Ohio. Now I can't sleep tonight.
Celerity
(43,341 posts)other than NV, AZ, and NE-2
IF we win PA
then he can win ALL the rest, NV, AZ, and NE-2 included, and he still loses
what I actually see happening, maybe add in NC too
or
and finally, the Blue Wave blowout scenario (the absolute most we can get)
Polybius
(15,398 posts)He lost it in 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/president
But if it's 270-268 like your first map, I'm nervous as hell. All we need is one faithless Elector and it's thrown into state delegations.
Celerity
(43,341 posts)literally is down to AZ, PA, FL, and NC. A NV loss makes an AZ loss more likely, and if we lose AZ, then even flipping NC, but losing PA and FL means a loss for us. We lose as well (obviously) if we win AZ but lose NC, PA, and FL.
finally,
A 269-269 tie means we are more than likely fucked, as the Rethugs hold 26 state delegations atm (the minimum needed), and the only real chance we have to take one away is FL (WI is too gerrymandered), with the only shot there being FL-15, Alan Cohn (Democratic Party) versus Scott Franklin (Republican Party, he beat Spano, the damaged Rethug in the primary). Its a pretty Red district, the last time we won it was 1992. Even if Cohn pulls off an upset, FL-26 with freshwoman Debbie Mucarsel-Powell is super shaky atm, especially given the pro Rethug Latinx surge and Dade underperforming so far. The Rethugs can add two more delegations as well, MI (tied assuming Amash's indy seat goes back to Red, and 2 or 3 shots for the Rethugs to pull back another) and PA, which is tied now, and its a coin toss if it stays that way or goes Rethug.
A 269-269 tie will rip the nation apart, (especially IF your faithless elector scenario is how we get there) as Biden will win the popular vote by 5 to 10 million votes only to robbed via a hyper arcane technicality-
IF that happens there will be kinetic violence, I have little to no doubt. The odds of it happening are VERY small though, very. For the world's sake, let us all hope that it doesn't happen at all. It is literally the stuff of dystopian fiction.
NOW, there is a way (and it certainly courts civil war) that Nancy Pelosi can guarantee a win for us if it goes to the House. This is as deep into the constitutional weeds as we can get. I have only seen one other person here besides me talk about this (not to say that others have not).
Article I, Section 5
Authoritarian Electoral College Underpopulation:
Historical Reflections and a Possible Countermove under Article I, Section 5
https://dcarpenter.scholar.harvard.edu/files/dcarpenter/files/constitutionalcountermove_memo20200801.pdf