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Right-wing pollster who has been extremely off since 2016. Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #1
Trafalgar was the only poll to predict Trump would win Michigan. It got that right too. Doodley Nov 2020 #11
They have been a mess since 2016... Drunken Irishman Nov 2020 #12
no, it's not qazplm135 Nov 2020 #2
Nah. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #3
I paid attention in 2016. PA is vulnerable now. Doodley Nov 2020 #13
Sure it's vulnerable. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #15
I hope so. Tomorrow is literally one of the most important days of my life and I'm sure for Doodley Nov 2020 #18
I hear you. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #20
lol tman Nov 2020 #4
+100. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2020 #6
They got lucky in 2016 with 16% undecided. NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #5
FWIW, Nate Silver thinks there's no evidence of the "shy Trump voter" Trafalgar relies on. Music Man Nov 2020 #7
I agree. There's no reason that Trump has any new support. But there's cheating, voter suppression, Doodley Nov 2020 #16
They are actually off more than most pollsters. Got lucky in the rustbelt last time Quixote1818 Nov 2020 #8
Calm down. They also said... AkFemDem Nov 2020 #9
Despair despair despair Tom Rivers Nov 2020 #10
I don't know why people post the worst polls they can find but maybe it will doc03 Nov 2020 #14
Pre-election anxiety. Doodley Nov 2020 #17
And of course you decided to make the rest of us anxious too? LisaL Nov 2020 #21
The head of trafalgar was on Hannity today brettdale Nov 2020 #19
Loses all credibility as an independent pollster. Doodley Nov 2020 #22
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. They have been a mess since 2016...
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:15 AM
Nov 2020

In an election where there was a ton of undecided voters.

Don't fret about this poll.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
2. no, it's not
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:08 AM
Nov 2020

their whole operation is assuming there are more Trump voters than the polls show.

There was some evidence of that in 2016, and even if that held into 2020, it assumes it is either MUCH bigger than it was in 2016 and/or that our side does not have significantly increased turnout.

Turin_C3PO

(13,912 posts)
3. Nah.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:09 AM
Nov 2020

Their results always favors Republicans. Pay attention to the poll averages on 538. That’ll give you a better picture of where the race is at.

Turin_C3PO

(13,912 posts)
15. Sure it's vulnerable.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:18 AM
Nov 2020

All the swing states are. But this is not 2016. Much more data this time that suggests a catastrophe for Trump tomorrow.

Doodley

(9,048 posts)
18. I hope so. Tomorrow is literally one of the most important days of my life and I'm sure for
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:22 AM
Nov 2020

millions who want the Trump nightmare to end. It's anxiety.

Turin_C3PO

(13,912 posts)
20. I hear you.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:26 AM
Nov 2020

I’ll be glad when it’s over. I’m hoping for a Tuesday night or Wednesday morning prediction for Biden.

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
7. FWIW, Nate Silver thinks there's no evidence of the "shy Trump voter" Trafalgar relies on.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:11 AM
Nov 2020

There's no way Trump has expanded his base since 2016. The only way Biden loses is if Democrats don't turn out. I don't think there's any way his numbers in any of these key states has actually gone up since 2016.

Doodley

(9,048 posts)
16. I agree. There's no reason that Trump has any new support. But there's cheating, voter suppression,
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:18 AM
Nov 2020

the mail delivery issues, and the fact that the average polls were off in 2016.

Quixote1818

(28,920 posts)
8. They are actually off more than most pollsters. Got lucky in the rustbelt last time
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:11 AM
Nov 2020

They are only correct 75% of the time making them pretty much not better than a good guess. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/


Their cross tabs are total nonsense: https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/politics/nate-silver-blasts-trafalgar-and-rasmussen-polls-as-crazy


Pollsters have corrected for what they missed last time which was underestimating the number of non-educated voters for Trump.

AkFemDem

(1,823 posts)
9. Calm down. They also said...
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:11 AM
Nov 2020

Nelson would beat Scott in November of 2018.

They’re not magic. They’re pollsters with a margin of error.

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
10. Despair despair despair
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:13 AM
Nov 2020

I think it will be close within 5 points but that is a hardcore GOP pollster. Most others have a solid and steady Biden lead. Plenty of time for stress and despair afterwards if it doesn't go our way, in the meantime I encourage optimism, hope, and Dems to continue to GOTV. Senator Casey said tonight he is positive Biden will win PA, he was famously worried about HRC in 2016.

doc03

(35,300 posts)
14. I don't know why people post the worst polls they can find but maybe it will
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:18 AM
Nov 2020

help to get out the vote.

brettdale

(12,365 posts)
19. The head of trafalgar was on Hannity today
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 12:24 AM
Nov 2020

Basically Pissing himself, calling Nate Silver a loser, and both him and Hannity
agree, its going to be a landslide for trump.

So Trafalgar has zero credibility.

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