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Poll watching today and I'm in tears (Original Post) mcar Nov 2020 OP
Wat is a returned citizen Dream Girl Nov 2020 #1
Former felon mcar Nov 2020 #3
Outstanding!!! Congrats to her, know what it feels like. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #4
OMgosh gristy Nov 2020 #12
Sweet! fierywoman Nov 2020 #2
returned citizen? barbtries Nov 2020 #5
Her joy filled the room mcar Nov 2020 #6
i can imagine! barbtries Nov 2020 #7
Florida mcar Nov 2020 #8
that's what i wanted to know! barbtries Nov 2020 #10
thank you, Mike Bloomberg for investing $ in FL and helping pay some fines. nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #16
Yes indeed. He made good on his commitment. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #17
LeBron James helped too! n/t mtngirl47 Nov 2020 #18
yes, thanks to him too! nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #19
It was an amendment in the 2018 midterm. Was approved overwhelmingly by Fl citizens. Fla Dem Nov 2020 #27
Oh wow - I didn't realize that's what it meant. whopis01 Nov 2020 #30
This is always a good thing ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #31
I agree! lunatica Nov 2020 #33
I think one of the arguments on enfranchisement issues soldierant Nov 2020 #36
They have a problem in DC. n/t aggiesal Nov 2020 #37
Agrred. Also in Puerto Rico. soldierant Nov 2020 #40
Personally I don't think DC should be a state ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #41
You make a good case soldierant Nov 2020 #42
Agreed, we are on the same page ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #43
that's great; glad we're making progress on breaking disenfranchisement. the whole concept stinks. unblock Nov 2020 #9
Two states allow voting in prison duhneece Nov 2020 #24
Ahhh, the best. LizBeth Nov 2020 #11
Love this! onecaliberal Nov 2020 #13
Thank you for your work BlueNProud Nov 2020 #14
She certainly is what it's all supposed to be about, eh? Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!! Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #15
A small, but potent microcosm of what every voter should be feeling. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #20
Awwwwww! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #21
Your tears are my tears duhneece Nov 2020 #22
Ditto, tears! eom LittleGirl Nov 2020 #25
Thank you for this. dchill Nov 2020 #23
Wow. Thanks for letting us know. Wonderful for her. electric_blue68 Nov 2020 #26
Thank you for what you're doing. Glad you had a rewarding experience. Fla Dem Nov 2020 #28
LOVE it! calimary Nov 2020 #29
Maybe she has to pee. JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #32
This is the way democracy should work. UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #34
This makes me smile Gothmog Nov 2020 #35
Happy tears here? Thank you so much for sharing! niyad Nov 2020 #38
Hell. most were put in prison for just smoking weed while black. Ligyron Nov 2020 #39

gristy

(10,667 posts)
12. OMgosh
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:14 PM
Nov 2020

How exciting and wonderful! She's paid her debt, and now she can VOTE!

oh, got something in my eye here...

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
5. returned citizen?
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:06 PM
Nov 2020

i looked it up and it's what i thought it probably was: a felon who got her voting rights back. now i'm in tears too

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
7. i can imagine!
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:10 PM
Nov 2020

i wish i knew her whole back story, how many years she's been out and shut out of the vote. what state?

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
10. that's what i wanted to know!
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

it's gotta be especially sweet in FL with the republicans trying so hard and failing to make it happen.

Fla Dem

(23,621 posts)
27. It was an amendment in the 2018 midterm. Was approved overwhelmingly by Fl citizens.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 04:10 PM
Nov 2020

Was a big surprise for some Republican politicians. Never thought it would pass. They claim the voters didn't understand the amendment. LOL.

Over 1 Million Florida Felons Win Right To Vote With Amendment 4
November 7, 20182:46 AM ET
Tim Mak in 2018.

In a key ballot initiative, Florida will restore voting rights to citizens convicted of certain felonies after they have served their sentences, including prison terms, parole and probationary periods, AP has projected.

Voting rights will not be restored to those convicted of murder or felony sexual offenses.

Approximately 1.5 million people are currently barred from voting in the state because of a past felony conviction — a figure representing about 10 percent of Florida's adult population.

More>>>>
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/665031366/over-a-million-florida-ex-felons-win-right-to-vote-with-amendment-4

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
31. This is always a good thing ...
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 05:05 PM
Nov 2020

but I'm of the opinion that even if you're felon, you shouldn't lose your voting right,
they're still citizens and their representative are making decisions that affect them too.

Unless you're convicted of murder, or when someone loses their life.
Because they took someone else's life and their rights when they died.

But after serving time, the felon should have their voting rights restored
regardless if they murdered, because they've served their time.

Just how I look at it.

I'm extremely happy for the "returned citizen" in this story.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
33. I agree!
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 05:10 PM
Nov 2020

Becoming a full citizen again should be a right if you’ve paid for your crimes. It’s giving someone redemption, and a great new chance to get it right.

soldierant

(6,836 posts)
36. I think one of the arguments on enfranchisement issues
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 07:57 PM
Nov 2020

is "No taxation without representation." And it probably doesn't have as much legal force as it sounds like ... but it has great emotional appeal.

They probably are not paying taxes while in prison (especially the ones who least deserve to be there) ... but it might almost be worth setting up a withholding system of, say, a penny on ever $5 that they earn at 60 cents a day, just to make them technically taxpayers.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
41. Personally I don't think DC should be a state ...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:04 PM
Nov 2020

I do believe that they should have a voting member in the House, maybe 2
and a voting member of the Senate but there is a reason it's called the
District Of Columbia.

That's because it's on Federal Land. Making it a state creates
a level of democracy that our forefathers never wanted for the 10 mile x 10 mile
federal land it sits on. Plus they now don't have to worry about their safety
from unruly mobs, like in Philadelphia during the Continental Congress.

When the Constitution was written, the citizens of Philadelphia were getting
anxious of the Continental Congress to release the document that it almost
got violent. The Philadelphia police wouldn't do anything to stop it because they
didn't have authority, that concerned the members of Congress about their safety.

That's why they created DC, so that the federal government could have
authority and jurisdiction over the land where they governed.
George Washington was given the task to find a 10 mile x 10 mile piece of land
along the Potomac, and he turned it sideways to include both the port of
Alexandria on the Virginia side and Georgetown on the Maryland side.

Some additional details were left out to protect the innocent.

soldierant

(6,836 posts)
42. You make a good case
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM
Nov 2020

but you also admit they need representation /that's all i'd be asking.

I would prefer one rep and two Senators. But some kind of representation, definitely.

aggiesal

(8,908 posts)
43. Agreed, we are on the same page ...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:58 PM
Nov 2020

They currently have 1 member in congress and 1 member in the senate,
but they are both non-voting representatives.

unblock

(52,164 posts)
9. that's great; glad we're making progress on breaking disenfranchisement. the whole concept stinks.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

there's *zero* merit to any government taking away voting rights other than for change of jurisdiction.

it has absolutely nothing to do with criminal justice whatsoever and everything to do with politicians protecting their own partisan power. it's 100% corrupt.

no government should have the power to take away voting rights based on criminal activity or anything else other than you no longer living in that jurisdiction.

it should be considered an inalienable right because the legitimacy of government flows from the people, not the other way around.

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
24. Two states allow voting in prison
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:55 PM
Nov 2020

All 50 states have different laws so we need a federal law to change that. We can do it

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
20. A small, but potent microcosm of what every voter should be feeling.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:38 PM
Nov 2020

Especially on the blue side of the aisle. Time to reclaim the country!!!!

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
22. Your tears are my tears
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 03:52 PM
Nov 2020

I’m so glad you experienced that and shared it. Another policy we can change.

JohnnyRingo

(18,622 posts)
32. Maybe she has to pee.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 05:09 PM
Nov 2020

I know I never think to go before I get in a long line.

I'm kidding. I'm glad you're having fun.

Ligyron

(7,622 posts)
39. Hell. most were put in prison for just smoking weed while black.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nov 2020

A practice that is legal for adults now in many states. They shouldn't have been put there in the first place.

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