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One thing this election has taught me (Original Post) Proud liberal 80 Nov 2020 OP
But you trust the unverifiable electronic voting machines? ZZenith Nov 2020 #1
THIS x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! diva77 Nov 2020 #4
I'm interpreting that as, "we are in agreement" ZZenith Nov 2020 #6
yes, yes diva77 Nov 2020 #15
If they are rigging the vote then what Jspur Nov 2020 #7
Not powerless, no. ZZenith Nov 2020 #13
What do you suggest we do again if we have no proof Jspur Nov 2020 #14
We'll just have to use our imaginations, won't we? ZZenith Nov 2020 #17
Unfortunately that's not a good enough answer Jspur Nov 2020 #18
Once I see a gold star next to your name I will let you in on the secret plans. ZZenith Nov 2020 #19
Pretty petty to point out your status as a comeback Jspur Nov 2020 #20
I've learned that there are millions of Americans that are dumber than a box of rocks. secondwind Nov 2020 #2
The only thing that counts are votes. It sickens me when I see people posting Blue_true Nov 2020 #3
Me too, probably. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #5
Will you still say that if we pull this out? regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #8
People are LYING to Pollsters... LovingA2andMI Nov 2020 #9
It has shown me that there is a big problem with Bev54 Nov 2020 #10
I can remember that just before the 2016 election, Dem2theMax Nov 2020 #11
No, they gave him a 29% chance in 2016... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #16
I clearly remember it. Because I remember telling friends as I was looking at it. nt. Dem2theMax Nov 2020 #21
More Repug's are rude and have a disdain for the anonymous caller Orange Buffoon Nov 2020 #12

Jspur

(787 posts)
7. If they are rigging the vote then what
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:04 AM
Nov 2020

can we do. Not saying you are right or wrong but we simply don't have any proof that they are rigging the votes. Without proof it's just hearsay and we are rendered powerless.

Jspur

(787 posts)
20. Pretty petty to point out your status as a comeback
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:17 AM
Nov 2020

against me. Listen I'm frustrated with the way these results have come in for Biden and that it did't match up with the polls. With that being said we can scream it's being rigged or the votes were hacked but unfortunately we just don't know. All we can do is speculate. Speculating is not going to be good enough to help Biden win.

regnaD kciN

(27,542 posts)
8. Will you still say that if we pull this out?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:04 AM
Nov 2020

Polls are rarely 100% accurate. Sure, if Trump wins and Biden has a popular vote victory of only 2%-3%, one could say the polls missed it badly. But most of the states that fell Trump's way so far appeared to be tossups that a standard MoE would cover (and he was even considered to be leading in some of them). Generally speaking, I've heard it said that the actual result will usually be, at most, around 3% off the polls in one direction or another. People were predicting that Biden would win the popular vote by between 7% and 8%, so a 4%-5% final margin wouldn't indicate "the polls failed."

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
9. People are LYING to Pollsters...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:04 AM
Nov 2020

And the Pollsters Stats Suck. That is the reality and we should have learned this lesson in 2016.

Bev54

(13,320 posts)
10. It has shown me that there is a big problem with
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:05 AM
Nov 2020

the amount of people in the country that are following a racist, jackass with an IQ of about 79. WTF is wrong with people. The world was waiting for the people of US to show that Trump was just a big mistake that would be corrected decisively. It also tells me they like a senate that is completely useless and does not work for the people. Very disturbing.

Dem2theMax

(11,005 posts)
11. I can remember that just before the 2016 election,
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:05 AM
Nov 2020

538 gave Trump an 11% chance of winning.

I don't believe anything but the counting of the votes.

regnaD kciN

(27,542 posts)
16. No, they gave him a 29% chance in 2016...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:08 AM
Nov 2020

They gave him 10% this year which, as they pointed out, is still within the range of plausibility. (As they point out, it's a little less than the odds of rolling a one on the throw of a die. It happens.)

Orange Buffoon

(240 posts)
12. More Repug's are rude and have a disdain for the anonymous caller
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:05 AM
Nov 2020

and probably tell them to eff off. That's why the results are skewed. Either that or they tell the poll caller they are voting for Biden just to screw with them.

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