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malaise

(268,844 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:32 AM Nov 2020

Biden should still win but this morning I am weeping for the USA

I cannot believe the results and I cannot believe that fascist declaration of victory early this morning. He and his cheering enablers want to stop counting legitimate votes. He marched out to Hail to the Cheat and declared himself the victor. This is the middle of the quarter million deaths from Covid, the job losses and dislocation of life as we know it, the non-stop lies, the corruption, the vulgarity, and on and on and on.
I now understand the fear of so many DUers .

That said Go Joe!

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Biden should still win but this morning I am weeping for the USA (Original Post) malaise Nov 2020 OP
Racism luvallpeeps Nov 2020 #1
I came to that conclusion as well. Living in a red area, you learn a lot.. Native Nov 2020 #5
This is sadly it madeup64 Nov 2020 #7
Took the words right out of my mouth BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #14
Yikes. So true that is scary. TigressDem Nov 2020 #47
No truer words dalton99a Nov 2020 #100
Racism fanned by conservative media, with effectively nothing countering it JHB Nov 2020 #21
totally agree hkp11 Nov 2020 #57
This. Propaganda kills. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2020 #70
It's not racism... Woodycall Nov 2020 #30
I used to think this was CT territory but I think they're definitely doing *something*. Ligyron Nov 2020 #51
It's both hacking and racism MyMission Nov 2020 #72
they cheat in every way possible luvallpeeps Nov 2020 #104
This is what I have been saying and saying. Racism is alive and thriving. olegramps Nov 2020 #69
Keep in mind that, in many cases, it was wnylib Nov 2020 #80
Yes, racism is a huge factor among Trump supporters. wnylib Nov 2020 #75
Does not matter! 634-5789 Nov 2020 #2
He can declare whatever he wants. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #3
If Biden doesn't have the Senate RVN VET71 Nov 2020 #58
Yes the GOP will keep the Senate. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #61
Agreed. The biggest issue, SCOTUS, RVN VET71 Nov 2020 #106
Oh yea, luvallpeeps Nov 2020 #4
I'm depressed because there are so many dumb, mean people The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #6
this angel823 Nov 2020 #22
Kareem understands them better than we do malaise Nov 2020 #43
Exactly correct. BKDem Nov 2020 #66
So maybe it isn't as close as it looks. wnylib Nov 2020 #84
Still, there are a lot more terrible people than there should be The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #86
Oh, I agree with you on that. They are wnylib Nov 2020 #94
And McConnell still holds the senate GreenPartyVoter Nov 2020 #8
As Senator Whitehouse said bdamomma Nov 2020 #11
I too think Biden will win but we aren't out of the woods after this election. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #9
The angry brown-shirts are our neighbors, family and friends pfitz59 Nov 2020 #15
"They want bad brown people to die." Mariana Nov 2020 #81
We definitely bdamomma Nov 2020 #10
Apparently people want to be conned malaise Nov 2020 #12
They like the packaging and the product JHB Nov 2020 #24
I don't get it malaise Nov 2020 #45
I know people who are convinced that they suffered under Obama and that Arkansas Granny Nov 2020 #13
It's just sick bdamomma Nov 2020 #18
It's what their trusted radio hosts and preachers tell them... JHB Nov 2020 #26
Me too. It should not have been this close Withywindle Nov 2020 #16
Kareem was correct - we think people are better than they are malaise Nov 2020 #46
Once again, I really didn't think it would be this close. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2020 #17
That has been my problem for my entire life OldBaldy1701E Nov 2020 #19
I really thought they would reject him over the deaths of all these people malaise Nov 2020 #48
If we win, which seems likely, I am cheering. No time to be sad. No time to mourn. Just be relieved Doodley Nov 2020 #20
We will all cheer but we will also be aware malaise Nov 2020 #49
Fascism is not dead liberal N proud Nov 2020 #23
Indeed. We are not a healthy nation quakerboy Nov 2020 #25
I'm weeping for the 1,100 + who died from Covid yesterday. Tommymac Nov 2020 #27
It will be impossible, I fear, for a Pres. Biden to Ilsa Nov 2020 #28
I'm weeping because I will likely have to move, again... 2naSalit Nov 2020 #29
It's Fox News and their and Trump's strategy of telling a lie over and over until people believe it. LaMouffette Nov 2020 #31
vote flipping via modem Baltimike Nov 2020 #32
+10000 Pachamama Nov 2020 #34
Oki, I will ask Celerity Nov 2020 #35
?????? Pachamama Nov 2020 #36
This reply Celerity Nov 2020 #38
It means I agree with them a lot n/t Pachamama Nov 2020 #39
But you then added the eye roll, which is throwing shade Celerity Nov 2020 #40
The eyes is referencing the seriousness of the situation of those that state the questioning Pachamama Nov 2020 #92
maybe I am just misunderstanding, sorry Celerity Nov 2020 #93
That is real but it has not been exposed enough malaise Nov 2020 #50
+100000 Pachamama Nov 2020 #33
"Come on man!" Stop the gloom & doom here. Let's be positive!... Illumination Nov 2020 #37
Agree, we need to hang in there & stay optimistic. We've been weeping for the US the past 4 years. onetexan Nov 2020 #42
Thanks onetexan for your support! Agree with you also. This shows us just how fragile Illumination Nov 2020 #63
you betcha! Have a great day! i'm filled w/ hope & optimism given the news coming out of the onetexan Nov 2020 #65
We are a racist, sexist, deplorable country. Whether that can ever be changed, remains to be seen still_one Nov 2020 #41
Silly me is worried but still not sure malaise Nov 2020 #52
I am with you still_one Nov 2020 #56
i did not sleep one second last night samnsara Nov 2020 #44
Iam in shock wildman76 Nov 2020 #53
Polls were too good to be true all along bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #54
So much for our "landslide." cwydro Nov 2020 #55
Definately Racism Bluethroughu Nov 2020 #59
Me too. I truly believe America is dead. At least the kind of country I sinkingfeeling Nov 2020 #60
Pretty tough job, struggling to save democracy, and the world, from the herds of the walking dead. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #62
Everything tRump touches dies. CountMyVote4Reality Nov 2020 #64
thank you Malaise. barbtries Nov 2020 #67
It's hard to fathom the extent of rascism and ignorance that is like an anchor around the USA neck. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #68
I Agree. It's Very Sad COL Mustard Nov 2020 #71
Should Have Left During Vietnam McKim Nov 2020 #73
How is it that hate wins? liberal N proud Nov 2020 #74
Me too. I fell asleep so ANGRY late this morning... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #76
The outstanding votes SHOULD break our way DFW Nov 2020 #77
The white evangelicals did it AGAIN! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #87
The God Squad doesn't hold much sway here DFW Nov 2020 #90
I wonder if an atheist like me could seek asylum? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #91
Just say you're half Syrian, half Afghan DFW Nov 2020 #95
Lol! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #96
Like Bill Clinton said, DFW Nov 2020 #97
Yes, that's how it goes in the USA. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #99
Joe will win, but Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #78
Why are you shocked? Rice4VP Nov 2020 #79
What a piece of crock. sinkingfeeling Nov 2020 #83
If we take the presidency but not the Senate and keep the House I say we should in2herbs Nov 2020 #82
I am weeping for my grandchildren, my children. We have always loved America but Boogiemack Nov 2020 #85
Same with my siblings, their children and grandchildren malaise Nov 2020 #89
I'm sad, because I got my hopes up that I was wrong about it. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #88
It's painful malaise Nov 2020 #98
And you'd think, with all the info available luvallpeeps Nov 2020 #105
I feel ya! Phentex Nov 2020 #101
I'm still having a hard time, mentally and physically. The stress is BComplex Nov 2020 #102
I've been crying too ... my husband is so upset that our country is going this way mrsadm Nov 2020 #103

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
1. Racism
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:34 AM
Nov 2020

He is such a flawed candidate. But I will say this. I'm a hairdresser in a republican city in michigan. I got a lot of "he says things I'm thinking" or something to that effect. I believe it's racism pure and simple. That's it.

Native

(5,939 posts)
5. I came to that conclusion as well. Living in a red area, you learn a lot..
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:45 AM
Nov 2020

It's disgusting and heartbreaking. You can say they're stupid or unenlightened, but I know plenty of intelligent people who support Trump, and even if they aren't loud and proud about their feelings toward minorities, there are always the little tells. The smarter people hide it better, that's all.

BumRushDaShow

(128,705 posts)
14. Took the words right out of my mouth
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:00 AM
Nov 2020

It is a very powerful thing and represents the ultimate power that gives their sorry lives some "meaning". I.e., they are "better than" someone else. It reflects the Johnson remark to Bill Moyers decades ago -

JHB

(37,158 posts)
21. Racism fanned by conservative media, with effectively nothing countering it
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:19 AM
Nov 2020

Conservatives built a propaganda machine to put out their spin 24/7 across the whole country. It's as pervasive as background radiation.

There is nothing equivalent on our side. Absolutely nothing.

hkp11

(275 posts)
57. totally agree
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:19 AM
Nov 2020

the RW machine (faux news, rw radio, others) is spewing lies out there across the country that these white pl are listening to. Nothing from Democratic side - we need some rich ppl to get some tv stations & radio across the country to give the real news.

Woodycall

(259 posts)
30. It's not racism...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:29 AM
Nov 2020

...the machines have been hacked. There is no other explanation as to why the preliminary polls, and exit polls, are suddenly so far off since the year 2000 when they were nearly perfect accurate predictors in this country, and every other country on the planet for decades before that. It defies math and science.

Ligyron

(7,622 posts)
51. I used to think this was CT territory but I think they're definitely doing *something*.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:09 AM
Nov 2020

IDK if it's hacking but they did and perhaps even do manage to win just enough votes to capture the EC and the Presidency. while being beaten significantly in popular votes.

Plus polling methodology and tech should be getting better yet we get results like 2020 even in the down ballot races.

Mail in votes are still being counted but even if we win it's a lot closer than almost any respected polling predicted.

MyMission

(1,849 posts)
72. It's both hacking and racism
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:03 AM
Nov 2020

Since the underlying driving force behind the hacking is the racism. Can't let non-whites have a voice! My first thought when seeing initial reports was they're manipulating the vote counts.
I absolutely agree with you.

And yet, in my red county and congressional district in NC, they elected a young, local, stupid, racist, sycophant, and by a large majority, to fill Meadows seat, rather than a retired military man. I trust that vote, and know the southern racists turned out to make sure a "liberal" didn't win.

I am disheartened and disgusted by that result, given we were ungerrymandered.

The phrase cheaters never prosper floats through my mind often, almost like a mantra, hoping it will be true.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
104. they cheat in every way possible
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:26 PM
Nov 2020

They vote with fear, and we vote with love. I don't give a shit if that sounds corny. It's the truth.~ We got to live together~Sly Stone

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
69. This is what I have been saying and saying. Racism is alive and thriving.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:50 AM
Nov 2020

Racism is Trump's and the Republicans' winning issue. The Republican Party has been running a with fascism agenda since Nixon scape goating the Blacks and with this election increased concentration on the Hispanics. It is a sure fire winning strategy especially when those who are targeted fail to even show up to vote. The rioting and looting sure as hell didn't help and of course was exaggerated by the Republicans to emphasized and was fodder for their racist propaganda. Black leaders tried to warn people that every brick throw through a window is another vote for the Republicans. The poles are another issue. Terribly misleading and just as bad as during the last campaign. I am praying the Biden ekes out a victory, but it is far to close for comfort.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
80. Keep in mind that, in many cases, it was
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:27 AM
Nov 2020

RW infiltrators who broke windows and threw objects in order to inflame bias against protesters. Nothing new. Happened in the 1960's, too.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
75. Yes, racism is a huge factor among Trump supporters.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:11 AM
Nov 2020

Blacks, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Latin Americans, people from the Middle East experience racism and bigotry daily in countless ways. Whites who claim it doesn't exist or that it is minimal or that they don't see it are deliberately lying or are so accustomed to the bias in society and in their own bubble that they don't even recognize it for what it is.

There isn't a single White person in this country who doesn't see or hear it. Whites with "subtle" bias, or open racism assume that other Whites agree with them when they speak among themselves. It is not enough to not be racist. You have to be anti racist with them, refusing to be silent for the sake of keeping peace.

Trump says what they think but feel they can't say. He speaks for them. Jimmy Carter said it best several years ago in regard to Ronald Reagan. When Carter was asked if he thought that Reagan was racist, Carter said that Reagan makes White Americans feel comfortable with their own biases and prejudices. Trump does that on steroids, making people feel able to be open to express and act on their prejudices.

That is the root of Trump's support.

634-5789

(4,175 posts)
2. Does not matter!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:35 AM
Nov 2020

Herd immunity due to the callousness and complete disregard for science will kill me, so, there's that.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
58. If Biden doesn't have the Senate
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:22 AM
Nov 2020

his options will be narrow. I just saw where Montana went for Daines instead of Bullock. I see that Amy McGrath was pummeled in Kentucky. Jaime Harrison was flattened by Lindsey Graham. Sure, there were some victories to celebrate in the senate races, but so far the GOP still rules it -- and some of our most promising candidates have gotten crushed.

It's early, I know, but if the final decision goes to SCOTUS it'll be Game Over for the experiment that was the U.S.A.

Turin_C3PO

(13,941 posts)
61. Yes the GOP will keep the Senate.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:26 AM
Nov 2020

So no new legislation will pass. However, Biden can fix most of Trump's mess with his executive position. He'll have a cleaned up DOJ, ICE, and the Border Patrol. So all is not lost.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
106. Agreed. The biggest issue, SCOTUS,
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM
Nov 2020

will have to wait a couple of years when the Dems have another shot at taking the Senate. If they do, then will be time to start packing --- the Supreme Court, that is.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
4. Oh yea,
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:40 AM
Nov 2020

I am heartsick at this. I even have in-laws who pretend they believe Biden will raise their taxes, but I think it's racism. Even if he were to raise my taxes, I'd still prefer Biden to trump. Oh, he did cage children and have unmasked rallies that probably killed people, but my taxes are low. I'm truly beside myself. There is no bottom to this guy's treachery. I can't bare to see his face and hear his voice for 4 more years. God help us.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
6. I'm depressed because there are so many dumb, mean people
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:46 AM
Nov 2020

in this country who think a cruel, stupid megalomaniac like Trump is a perfectly acceptable president. This election should not have been even close.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
84. So maybe it isn't as close as it looks.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:39 AM
Nov 2020

There are a lot of Trump supporters, but consider all that Trump and his enablers did to suppress the vote - removing mailboxes, slowing down the mail, removing sorting machines, truck caravans blocking roads, threats to voters, "poll watchers" to intimidate voters, reducing the numbers of voting sites, etc, etc.

We knew we had to have a big Dem turnout to counter these moves. So the turnout was big enough to overcome the obstacles.

The mailbox that was removed a few weeks ago in my neighborhood was reinstalled after it was too close to election day to be used for mail-in ballots.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
86. Still, there are a lot more terrible people than there should be
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:43 AM
Nov 2020

in a civilized society. Trump supporters should be few, and regarded as fringe crackpots that most people wouldn't want to associate with. Like Nazis. Nobody wants to hang out with Nazis, do they? But here they are, lots of them.

wnylib

(21,417 posts)
94. Oh, I agree with you on that. They are
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:19 AM
Nov 2020

mainstream now instead of being fringe. Your reference to Nazis is apt. There are enough parallels in US politics today to how fascism gained power in Europe in the 1930's to be scary as well as sickening. Too many Americans do not see the parallels because they do not know the details of how fascism evolved in Germany in particular, but also in Italy, Spain, Austria.

I made a point of learning how it happened in Europe because I had one set of grandparents who came to America from Germany as young children 45 years before there was such a thing as Nazis. There were older relatives of mine who had kept in touch with their relatives in Germany over the years. I was born a few years after WWII ended. I wanted to know not just what had happened, but how it had happened. In addition, there were children at my grade school who had come with their parents to America from Italy. The parents had lived through Musolini's rule and had aided Americans during the war.

So I paid attention to how, not just what.

Americans dismiss concerns about creeping fascism because they only know the horrible atrocities and say that since we are not doing those things, there are no parallels in the US. But there are. There definitely are.

It's not conspiracy theory or alarmism on my part. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright has written about it. Her family escaped fascism in Europe during the war and then communism after it. From her family's personal experience and her professional experience, she knows what she is talking about in her book, :Fascism, a Warning."

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,318 posts)
9. I too think Biden will win but we aren't out of the woods after this election.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:49 AM
Nov 2020

The angry brown shirts aren’t going away. We crossed the rubicon with trump and I don’t know how we turn back.

We really needed a strong repudiation of trump.

I keep seeing people say “you can’t beat fascism at the ballot box” and I wonder how tue it is.

pfitz59

(10,344 posts)
15. The angry brown-shirts are our neighbors, family and friends
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:00 AM
Nov 2020

Trump released their inner racist. BLM and the riots frightened them. They want bad brown people to die. Simple.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
81. "They want bad brown people to die."
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:27 AM
Nov 2020

Many of them would be very happy to do the killing themselves, if they thought they would get away with it.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
10. We definitely
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:49 AM
Nov 2020

have some sort of psychosis in the country. Covid is not shaking up some of our citizens as people are continually dying from it.

tRump is a con man who will continue to kill Americans and steal our way of life and our health. He cannot win.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
24. They like the packaging and the product
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:21 AM
Nov 2020

Bile and axe-grinding are highly addictive, wildly hallucinogenic, and very very lucrative for their purveyors.

Arkansas Granny

(31,513 posts)
13. I know people who are convinced that they suffered under Obama and that
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:55 AM
Nov 2020

Trump saved our economy. You can show them the graphs that the stock market rose consistently during Obama's years and that the unemployment rate steadily fell, but they refuse to acknowledge the facts.

In many instances, these are "Christians" who were outraged by the Clinton/Lewinski affair, but turn a blind eye to the many allegations of sexual misconduct and rape charges against Trump. They don't bat an eyelash at the fact that Trump has cheated on all 3 of his wives or that he paid women to stay silent about his affairs. Suddenly, the morality of the nation's leader is not that important.

The fact that Trump lies every time he opens his mouth doesn't faze them. The fact that he and his family are fleecing the American people with their business dealings is completely overlooked. In their eyes, he's the greatest President ever.

I could go on, but we've all seen this happening.
It'st's beyond my understanding.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
18. It's just sick
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:09 AM
Nov 2020

The world is watching and they are shaking their heads. Joe has got to win, and all votes to be counted.

I read a post saying there are 2 Americas.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
26. It's what their trusted radio hosts and preachers tell them...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:24 AM
Nov 2020

...so it becomes what "everybody" knows. And naturally, they're specifically warned that anyone saying different is not to be trusted.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
16. Me too. It should not have been this close
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:01 AM
Nov 2020

Racism, #1 reason. Linked arm-in-arm with xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Muslimophobia, and contempt for the poor.


Also, cult of personality. Too many people don't vote based on policy, they vote based on TV stars and sports team mentality.

Obama was able to pull off the historic wins that he did because his charisma is off the scale. I don't blame Biden or Hillary for not being as magnetic. They shouldn't have had to be. Trump pulls in big numbers because he was a reality-game-show host, and a celebrity even before that for his antics, and that's what sells.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,112 posts)
19. That has been my problem for my entire life
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:14 AM
Nov 2020

And, after what I have been through one would think I would have learned by now.

malaise

(268,844 posts)
48. I really thought they would reject him over the deaths of all these people
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:00 AM
Nov 2020

and the general malaise inflicted on the country by Killa Con

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
25. Indeed. We are not a healthy nation
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:23 AM
Nov 2020

Biden will win if the supremes allow the votes to be counted. But we will still have to live knowing that over 60 million people watched the dumpster fire that has been the last 4 years, and decided they wanted to inflict a perminant dictatorship of the same on us.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
27. I'm weeping for the 1,100 + who died from Covid yesterday.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:24 AM
Nov 2020

For the 233,000+ souls who are no longer around to weep.

Fuck Trump and his gaslighting.

On January 20th things will begin to change. We have a 40 year old mess to mop up.

I'm ready to go to work.


Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
28. It will be impossible, I fear, for a Pres. Biden to
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:26 AM
Nov 2020

unify the US towards common objectives.

I fear McConnell will not allow Biden to place a single SCOTUS nominee over four years should a seat become available.

2naSalit

(86,500 posts)
29. I'm weeping because I will likely have to move, again...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:28 AM
Nov 2020

Fascists are taking over my state, I can't bear to watch what they will do to all the public land out here. If you haven't seen Yellowstone or Glacier NPs, they'll be sold off, mined and deforested in the coming years so...




Something like this happens every time I think I have found a spot where I can live for a long time. I can't live here with the two business partners in the Senate and governor's seats. Now I have to make plans to relocate again. I hate this shit like you wouldn't believe.

LaMouffette

(2,020 posts)
31. It's Fox News and their and Trump's strategy of telling a lie over and over until people believe it.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:29 AM
Nov 2020

And it's not just the lies that Fox News tells its viewers, but more importantly what they're NOT telling people. Lies of omission. Fox News viewers don't even hear half the information about Trump's corruption and foreign entanglements and personal enrichment off the presidency that we Dems hear from our sources. And if they do happen to hear it, Fox News and Trump have them convinced that any anything they hear that is critical of Trump is just the lying main stream media cooking up another hoax.

The big question now is, "Can we fix stupid?" because if not, there goes democracy.

I weep for our country, too.

Baltimike

(4,140 posts)
32. vote flipping via modem
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:31 AM
Nov 2020

and no one will say that's what they're doing while they sabotage the postal service and run to the court to keep the people from casting their vote

And as long as we keep a moratorium on SAYING this is what happened, we will enable them by that silence, and it's what they will continue to do.

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
92. The eyes is referencing the seriousness of the situation of those that state the questioning
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:17 AM
Nov 2020

...is not acceptable

I have been doing this for the many years I have been on DU...

You are the first and only one to question what I mean...

I know you state in your profile you are in Stockholm - I am German and Danish...have lots of Swedish friends - I know it is very common in all 3 of those cultures and language when talking about something serious to have the eyes look around and say “right”....

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
33. +100000
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:33 AM
Nov 2020

Me too Malaise....me too....

I am processing right now what is coming in. I am about to go take a long bike ride and try to clear my head and get some fresh air and then think about things.

I am crying for the US...the situation is so far worse than people are realizing. The pandemic is raging and will get much worse. The economy will not be recovering until the pandemic has become under control. And Trump if he manages to take a second term, which by the way I do not believe is legitimately, the US will not fare well and the lessons will be hard. Loss of civil rights and protections. Lots of suffering. Loss of healthcare and all the protections for pre-existing conditions. Continuing climate change consequences and disasters.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don't however believe the bullshit lies coming from pundits and "concern trolls" about "the polls are wrong again" or "silent majority" voting...people who are saying that the Democratic Party needs to re-evaluate itself and made mistakes. Bullshit.

The polls were not wrong. There is always a margin of error - but not what we are seeing and the explanations they want us to believe. There was from the start of the election and voting both voter suppression and active measures and currently being taken by the GOP and Trump administration to make sure not all votes are counted. They have plans to use the courts and disenfranchise voters. And finally, while I cannot prove it directly - at least not right now - I have no doubt that there was manipulation of machines and the count in key states that have had "unexpected results". I know too much about and have been following for decades how many of the voting machines and data is calculated and how easily it can be compromised. Maybe if we have Biden declared the winner in the end and have a working Justice Dept and House and Senate that will do investigations, then it will be shown and proved. But I believe that it is not likely unless he is declared the winner and our not having the Senate and with all the Justices that the GOP has rammed through, it is going to be not just overlooked intentionally, it will be swept away.

I don't know what has happened to the United States. The cult of Trump.....the hatred and racism...the downright ignorance of the population that thinks Covid is nothing more than the flu and a hoax...the ignorance of the population that equate "socialism" as the same as "communism" and that they need to protect "America"....The dumbing down and ignorance of the populace that supports a con man lying reality tv showman.

There are no words....I only have tears and sadness inside and know that I will have to be making serious considerations of what will be next and that I will have to do to take care of myself and my family....

onetexan

(13,033 posts)
42. Agree, we need to hang in there & stay optimistic. We've been weeping for the US the past 4 years.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:56 AM
Nov 2020

Now with Biden's impending win the next several days we need to focus on fixing what's broken & set the train back on track.
We need to communicate a message of hope going forward, so that we and our children will have a better future.

“The fabric of democracy is always fragile everywhere because it depends on the will of citizens to protect it, and when they become scared, when it becomes dangerous for them to defend it, it can go very quickly.”
Margaret Atwood, writer and poet

Biden/Harris - BUILD BACK BETTER!!!

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
63. Thanks onetexan for your support! Agree with you also. This shows us just how fragile
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:31 AM
Nov 2020

democracy is like the air we breathe, the environment, etc. also...GO JOE & KAMALA!

onetexan

(13,033 posts)
65. you betcha! Have a great day! i'm filled w/ hope & optimism given the news coming out of the
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:34 AM
Nov 2020

remaining states NW, AZ, PA, WI, MI, GA. Biden/Harris got this. The Senate is precarious but we always have 2022 when 34 seats are up for reelection, 12 Dems & 22 GOP. In the meantime we need a real leader in Biden & w/ him an entire administration to lead us forward.

still_one

(92,110 posts)
41. We are a racist, sexist, deplorable country. Whether that can ever be changed, remains to be seen
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:52 AM
Nov 2020

One thing is pretty certain though, if we lose the White House, a lot more people are going suffer and die

wildman76

(292 posts)
53. Iam in shock
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:13 AM
Nov 2020

Iam shocked in how many want chaos ,lies and Total corruption,maybe Iam the crazy one who should drink the kool aide ,Iam truly upset

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
54. Polls were too good to be true all along
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:13 AM
Nov 2020

Either MAGAts lie to scientists, pollsters, and authority (no surprise there), or the polls were accurate and motivated MAGAts.

The Trump base is a motivated-by-money network of church, family ethnicities in low-density locales. We are locked out of that mix. We didn't lack for cash, we lacked for access. Those MAGAt caravans irritating, frightening, chasing voters were beating the bushes for votes. All I got was 5 pounds of literature.

As I posted several times, the Lincoln Project is a collection of nerdy intellectuals patting each other on the back at their wits and brilliance. They don't know beans about how to reach actual voters. Did they change minds? Yes, 1.2% of Republican intellectuals.

Rural same-day voters went red 2 and 3 to 1.

You need more than a favorable poll, wads of cash, and a declaration of impending victory to actually win a race. You need voters. In some Senate races, we were a paper tiger.

Bluethroughu

(5,148 posts)
59. Definately Racism
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:24 AM
Nov 2020

I couldn't sleep all night. I thought of everything you discuss above, and kept thinking, why are people fine with everything that is going on. It's no hope and vision for the future.
I'm sick over it.
We need bold vision and movement, to replace dispare, because it is breaking our Democracy.

sinkingfeeling

(51,443 posts)
60. Me too. I truly believe America is dead. At least the kind of country I
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:25 AM
Nov 2020

was born into. We are rapidly approaching total fascism. I don't want to live here anymore, where decency and doing the humane thing is laughed at.

64. Everything tRump touches dies.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:32 AM
Nov 2020

Don't forget that:

1. He destroyed the USPS. This government institution established by our Constitution was hobbled at a whim by the appointment of a campaign donor (fellow thug/grifter). The purpose was to dismantle the heightened delivery of any mail ballots returned due to his (deliberate) mismanagement of the COVID pandemic.

2. He and Mitch McConnell destroyed the integrity of the US Judicial system all the way up to the SCOTUS. They conspired to nominate unqualified judicial clowns solely for the purpose of corrupting justice for their personal and ideological interests. Consequently, these judicial rulings overturn legislation created for the benefit of, for and by the people by our elected representatives. These fast track judicial buffoons are an easy way to workaround and nullify the will of the electorate.

3. He compromised the CDC, the FDA and the NIH among other government institutions while the COVID pandemic infection and death toll grows exponentially. Was it either deliberate or negligent manslaughter? Or was it mental disability that prevents him from performing his job?

4. The Russian collusion has had some disappointing scrutiny. The Fox News propaganda mind meld needs much, much more investigation. The "faux news bubble merged with reality TV" confusion has been our designed and constructed downfall. Follow the money. Follow the benefit. And why is anybody following or trusting that useful idiot if they have not been brainwashed to do so?

How do we get this back? My first impulse is to shun his followers for their hate and ignorance. When you are disappointed or even further repulsed by hatred, removing yourself from any further contact seems like an appropriate response. It sure solves my immediate problem. But I don't know how that solves our problem.

Do I in turn become an "Atheist Witness" that perpetually knocks on their door and window pane? Once again, my inherent repulsion to their barbarism, cruelty and spite prevents me from any further contact. We can't just assume that they will all die off in their misguided quest for herd immunity. It takes too many of us with them. I honestly don't know what to do.

Something. Somewhere. Must be purged.

Can we sue Fox News aka hate speech into oblivion?

Asking for a friend.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
67. thank you Malaise.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:40 AM
Nov 2020

i can't even explain how i feel right now, except that i don't know who these people are, and we should change the name of our country. it's a misnomer.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
73. Should Have Left During Vietnam
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:05 AM
Nov 2020

I wanted to leave during the Vietnam War and we should have. It's been downhill ever since!
Now we are trapped in this dystopia.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
74. How is it that hate wins?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:07 AM
Nov 2020

Our nation is so full of hate, no one ever dare to tell me this is a great nation until we rid it of hate!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
76. Me too. I fell asleep so ANGRY late this morning...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:11 AM
Nov 2020

... on the couch and with my smartphone still in my hand! Awoke just a few minutes ago.

At least it looks like an EC win now, so I feel much better! It's still so ridiculous, mostly because of the white religious voters according to exit polls!

My purple county in Ohio voted for Biden/Harris like I figured, but I obviously can't extrapolate what I see here to the rest of this damn state!

DFW

(54,325 posts)
77. The outstanding votes SHOULD break our way
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:15 AM
Nov 2020

But it won't be a victory we can brag about, and the Senate is a tragedy. We lost Doug Jones, as expected, and only picked up Arizona and Colorado, which seemed the safest predictions all along. Our only hope at this point is that whatever is turning McTurtle's hand into a large plum will cause him to seek early retirement, and the Democratic governor appoints a Democratic caretaker. That may not give us the majority, but it would remove the Great Satan from his throne of evil.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
87. The white evangelicals did it AGAIN!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:43 AM
Nov 2020

They were about 42% of all the white voters, so they were obviously very motivated to vote for their anti-Christ again! That percentage is significantly higher than their percentage of white people overall, estimated to be less than 30%.

That's still way too high for me! Europe is supposedly only about 2% evangelicals in comparison!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
91. I wonder if an atheist like me could seek asylum?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:16 AM
Nov 2020

I'll cry like the people tortured under Middle Eastern regimes, if that helps!

DFW

(54,325 posts)
95. Just say you're half Syrian, half Afghan
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:38 AM
Nov 2020

There is a story about a Russian seeking asylum here. The case worker asks why, are you politically persecuted? The Russian answers, “can’t complain.”

“Are you religiously persecuted?” Same answer: “can’t complain.”

“Are you starving from lack of food?” Again: “can’t complain.”

Finally, the case worker asks, then why are you seeking asylum here anyway?”

The Russian answers. “Here, I am allowed to complain.”

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
96. Lol!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:45 AM
Nov 2020

Thanks for the joke!

I'm starting to feel better anyway, with the probable EC squeaker-win on the horizon!

I'll surely look into other living options unless there's signs of abating fundamentalist influence in the USA, though.

A fairly recent poll indicated that an atheist is least likely to be elected President in this country. Lower than LGBT, African Americans, Muslims, etc. -- groups that regularly get attention for their mistreatment.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
99. Yes, that's how it goes in the USA.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:05 AM
Nov 2020

Scream to the world about an invisible lord, like a schizophrenic with an invisible friend, but everyone else should quietly keep their evidence-based thinking to themselves. How dare they think that way!

Only about 6% of scientists identify as Republicans in the USA. That's from an old poll, so it could be even lower now.

Edit: And in regard to having an evidence-based way of thinking, I continue to observe major BLIND SPOTS from multiple posters here too. Instead of looking at the data from exit polls, for example, the blame is often personal to perpetuate their own victimhood.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
79. Why are you shocked?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:20 AM
Nov 2020

I was convinced that the country that voted for Obama twice wouldn’t elect a racist and they did.

Now we know who we can’t trust...the women’s March was BS because a group of those women only care about themselves

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
82. If we take the presidency but not the Senate and keep the House I say we should
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:33 AM
Nov 2020

not try to get along in the Senate. We should take our best and brightest from their senate positions and put them in positions in the Administration/Cabinet where they should be let loose to follow the money. We don't have a majority so why leave them there? I also think we should impeach the MFr over and over again until the corruption of senators and the MFr has been exposed.

People have written that the court will hold us together. I hope Judge Sullivan cites DeJoy for contempt and orders him to jail today, that will be proof of these statements.

Without the pres and senate we can't expand the federal court judiciary. Then why not, in D states, expand the state court number of judges??? It won't be as effective but it will be in the right direction.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
85. I am weeping for my grandchildren, my children. We have always loved America but
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

America has never loved us. My oldest daughter said she was planning on how to make a move to So. Africa. She visited there several times and said it was wonderful.

malaise

(268,844 posts)
89. Same with my siblings, their children and grandchildren
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:53 AM
Nov 2020

and our cousins and their families.

In reality major interests in the US are doing to themselves exactly what they did to us.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
88. I'm sad, because I got my hopes up that I was wrong about it.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

Turns out, it's really the hateful, ignorant, stupid place I always thought it was. Almost half of those who voted are okay with their president being the most vile, immoral, disgusting, crooked person to ever hold the office, and another large chunk don't care enough to even bother to vote him out.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
105. And you'd think, with all the info available
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:35 PM
Nov 2020

to us in this day and age, racism would be far less prevalent. What the hell? I guess they feel threatened. It's gonna be a long fight sadly.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
101. I feel ya!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:28 AM
Nov 2020

Last time, I thought how did he even get a single vote, let alone win. Now I know how racist this country is.

We desperately need Joe.

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
102. I'm still having a hard time, mentally and physically. The stress is
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 03:03 PM
Nov 2020

just off the charts. I agree, Malaise. This has been such a shocking experience. I can't believe there are so many idiots in this country.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
103. I've been crying too ... my husband is so upset that our country is going this way
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

When did the entire half of our country stop believing in science; start believing in lies; not knowing how to verify what others say. And becoming mean like running a bus off the road? Pointing guns at peaceful protesters? I am lost here.

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