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Susan Collins is performing under 50% in ME-SEN (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2020 OP
What is RCV? Tia ALBliberal Nov 2020 #1
Ranked Choice Voting. octoberlib Nov 2020 #4
Can you explain it? Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #6
This is a good article with the pros and cons. octoberlib Nov 2020 #11
If noone gets a majority... jcgoldie Nov 2020 #12
So it was a strategy, a team effort -- and we still have a chance to boot Collins out? Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #17
Yes! If Collins gets under 50%, she's going to lose. NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #22
+1 Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #23
I don't know about team effort jcgoldie Nov 2020 #25
I believe that in Maine In It to Win It Nov 2020 #14
There were 4 candidates, Collins, Gideon, Savage and Linn Klaralven Nov 2020 #26
Ranked-choice Voting (RCV) steventh Nov 2020 #9
Thank you. Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #18
Thanks for asking Cha Nov 2020 #24
I saw a tweet that 6.5 % voted for third party candidates. octoberlib Nov 2020 #2
That is a huge number still_one Nov 2020 #5
Are there other states involved with RCV brooklynite? still_one Nov 2020 #3
Georgia has instant runoff . not ranked choice. My mistake octoberlib Nov 2020 #7
Thanks. So there is no third party that can help us there I guess still_one Nov 2020 #8
You are confusing ranked choice voting with a runoff election jcgoldie Nov 2020 #10
My mistake. It's all so confusing. octoberlib Nov 2020 #16
Wait. Only Maine does RCV. Georgia is a run-off state if no one gets over 50%, like Louisiana PAMod Nov 2020 #13
My guess is Stacy Abrams would have something to do about that. BComplex Nov 2020 #27
Not likely atse Nov 2020 #15
Bummer. Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #20
"blue drift" jcgoldie Nov 2020 #21
... Lucinda Nov 2020 #19
She's at 50.8% right now. up 8pts. Yet Biden is up 10pts! WTF, Maine?! Roland99 Nov 2020 #28
many repubs voted for biden but still gop down ballot AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #30
I can understand president polling discrepancy but why senate race is so off? AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #29

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
6. Can you explain it?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:19 AM
Nov 2020

It makes no sense to me that someone who is ranked first didn't just win the ticket in the first place.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
11. This is a good article with the pros and cons.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:24 AM
Nov 2020

This method, also known as “instant-runoff voting,” was invented around 1870 and has since been adopted by a handful of democracies across the world. Australia has used ranked-choice voting in its lower house elections since 1918. The system essentially allows voters to choose candidates in the order of their preference, and is meant to yield a winner who most pleases the most people.

Here’s how it works. In ranked-choice voting elections, voters can—but do not have to—rank the candidates on the ballot in their order of preference. If a candidate wins a majority of first-preference votes, they win the race. If not, the candidate with the fewest first-preference votes is eliminated, and the second-choice votes of voters who preferred the eliminated candidate are allocated to those who remain in the race. This process continues until one candidate has a majority.

https://qz.com/1676718/the-pros-and-cons-of-ranked-choice-voting/

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
12. If noone gets a majority...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

...then they add in voters 2nd choices... the idea is to keep a 3rd party spoiler from determining the outcome. In Maine the independent candidate was very liberal and told her supporters to choose Gideon 2nd so she didn't help Collins get reelected.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
25. I don't know about team effort
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:30 AM
Nov 2020

I just read the 3rd party candidate encouraged supporters to make Gideon 2nd choice so as not to play spoiler. I'm still doubtful that gets Gideon over the hump unless the outstanding vote gets her a lot closer.

In It to Win It

(8,236 posts)
14. I believe that in Maine
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

In order to win, a candidate has to get a simple majority of all votes (50% + 1), and not a plurality.

If no candidate gets over 50%, it triggers a run off between the two biggest vote-getters, at which point the voters 2nd round choice votes are tallied.

Voters in Maine ranked their choices on one ballot. If you choose Collins as your first vote, Gideon as your second vote, and Collins doesn’t get over 50%, your second choice goes into effect. Your vote ultimately goes to Gideon.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
26. There were 4 candidates, Collins, Gideon, Savage and Linn
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:32 AM
Nov 2020

If Collins doesn't get 50% or more, then Linn's total is zeroed out and the Linn voter's second choice is counted.

If there is still no candidate with 50% or more, then Savage's total is zeroed out and the Savage voter's second choice is counted.

Given current percentages with 72% of votes counted, essentially all of Savage and Linn voter's second choice would have to be for Gideon to put her over Collins.

steventh

(2,143 posts)
9. Ranked-choice Voting (RCV)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:22 AM
Nov 2020

Here's a link to an explanation.

https://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/upcoming/rcv.html

Don't ask me anything about it though. I've been up all night and it's difficult to even be coherent.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
7. Georgia has instant runoff . not ranked choice. My mistake
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:20 AM
Nov 2020

Jon Ossoff said the problem with instant runoff is that Democrats will all show up for the first vote but if there's a second vote , turnout is always down. It's hard to get them back to the polls.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
10. You are confusing ranked choice voting with a runoff election
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:23 AM
Nov 2020

Georgia doesn't have ranked choice like they do in Maine they have a runoff if noone gets to 50%.

PAMod

(906 posts)
13. Wait. Only Maine does RCV. Georgia is a run-off state if no one gets over 50%, like Louisiana
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

That's what Ossof was talking about.

RCV requires only one election - you rank your top two (I think) and they go until someone gets over 50%

BComplex

(8,035 posts)
27. My guess is Stacy Abrams would have something to do about that.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:38 AM
Nov 2020

She's not going to let anybody stay home if there's a runoff in her state.

atse

(42 posts)
15. Not likely
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:26 AM
Nov 2020

Unfortunately, I read at the 538 blog that the remaining votes aren't in heavily blue areas, and some are even in red counties. Collins' lead needs to go down a point or two. She's currently at 49.5%, which means she would only need to be the second choice on a small fraction of the third party voters's ranked choices to get over the top.

But hey, there is a general "blue drift" phenomenon where the ballots tallied late tend to lean Democrat. Maybe her lead will shrink. It ain't over till it's over.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
21. "blue drift"
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:28 AM
Nov 2020

Is based on the early vote being counted last in states that wouldn't allow it counted in advance. I do not know whats left to count in Maine but it would only help if it was mail in votes.

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