Hillary Clinton was not a "bad candidate"

[edhopper]

too many of the American voters are just fucked up. The blame lies with them, not her.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, it looks like Biden even got the same numbers she did in Miami Dade !! Trump pulled 200,000

... souls out of somewhere to vote for him in one county.

We'll see if that has ever been done before

[Cosmocat]

2. 100%

Been saying that all along.

All of the slagging on Hillary is what they want - it takes the focus off the real issue, that they are truly horrible people.

[PirateRo]

3. I agree completely.

Best candidate, she deserved much better than she got.

[BKDem]

10. The RW successfully demonized her for 30 years.

Her biggest campaign mistake: she said half of Trump supporters were a "basket of deplorables."

That basket was overflowing, and deplorable was a gross understatement.

[In It to Win It]

4. Hillary Clinton was a great candidate and would have been a phenomenal president

The problem is that “perception is truth” unfortunately.

[icwlmuscyia]

11. Been saying that (perception is truth) for many years

and the Reugs have their perceptions playing on continuous loop 24X7X365 times who knows how many outlets and social media sources.

[Blasphemer]

5. Been thinking exactly the same thing

It's not about "good" or "bad" candidates. The Democrats are the party of tolerance. That alienates large swaths of today's electorate.

[Ninga]

6. Thank you. Can't be said enough. For us, her people, to not have her back is unconscionable. And

believe-you-and-me, there are plenty of Hillary critics residing in Dem clothing.

[spooky3]

7. That's exactly what I was thinking too--and that

We have to get big money out of politics.

[brush]

8. Yes, almost half the nation is racist, stupid and ok with re-electing...

a racist, stupid moron with the deaths of 235,000 Americans on his hands.

[The Magistrate]

9. I Agree, Sir --- She Was Not

It is abundantly clear she was the right person for the job, and that the country has suffered terribly, and will suffer still more, for having rejected her.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

12. True.

My particular blue-collar county voted for Biden instead of Trump this time, but it obviously doesn't mean jack-squat compared to the growing force of rural counties in my damn state.

[Boogiemack]

13. She was the most qualified and prepared person for President in my lifetime.

How she would have performed we will never know. But going in, hands down she was much better for the Presidency.

[betsuni]

14. Wasn't a "flawed candidate," didn't run a bad campaign, wasn't unlikable or untrustworthy,

not visiting Wisconsin every five minutes didn't matter, rallies didn't matter, she talked about the economy all the damn time, talked about green energy, all the progressive plans she had and it didn't matter.

Not about the candidate. 2020 proved that.

[Thrill]

15. It's just more evil racist/sexist voters in this country

Than we all want to admit. It’s sad

[stopdiggin]

16. that's a 10-4

you start to look around at the "qualities" (to use the term very advisedly) that make for electability in this country -- and it doesn't speak particularly well ...

Was HRC without mark or blemish? Nope. But then -- neither is Biden, or anybody else that's been around for longer than 5 minutes.

[marie999]

17. The economy, if people are working and making enough to live on,

they will usually vote for who is in office. The majority of people only care about themselves and their families.

[mopinko]

18. touch screen voting is fucked up.

and that is what is wrong w this election.

[still_one]

19. along with Comey, and the illustrious media for their terrible coverage

[CozyMystery]

20. My neighbor sent me an anti-Hillary email, ...

knowing I am a Democrat, along with tons of his R friends. It listed 40+ lies about Hillary, including pizzagate, murders, lots of conspiracy theories.

I replied to all with links that proved these were lies and conspiracy theories.

Did it change any minds? No.

I have come to the conclusion that this boils down to misogyny and a willingness to believe lies and conspiracy theories that have been debunked by facts.

Hillary would have been a great president. I voted for her, as did the remaining 5 members of my family (unless husband lied, which he likely did).

[doc03]

21. Democrats only win when we have a young charismatic candidate. This will be a

first if Biden pulls it out. Of all the Democratic contenders I thought if not for being gay Mayor Pete would have been our best chance.
Like they say Democrats fall in love Republicans fall in line.

[betsuni]

22. No, Democrats win after Republicans ruin the economy, like in 1992 and 2008.

Voter turnout in 1992: 55.2%. 2008: 57.1%. 2016: 59.2%.

[intheflow]

23. JFC, stop beating the HRC/2016 horse. n/t

[edhopper]

24. I am not

it's a reassessment based on yesterday's results.

[lame54]

25. I read the opposite

[LizBeth]

26. For decades HRC has been beaten up with falsehoods and this was just another. And by her own party.

She ran a near flawless campaign but with her loss came every blame and accusation that could be thought of. And here we sit. A nation having experienced Trump for four years, evidence of his demented behavior and pretty damn close to the same thing.

[Caliman73]

27. No she was not a bad candidate at all.

She had excellent qualifications and skills and would have been a great President. She faced sexism AND the baggage of a 30+ year smear campaign from conservatives.

Biden had the advantage of being a man, and not having such vitriol thrown at him over his decades of service.


The Blame lies in many places. People don't just vote "because". Our education system is messed up, the way we vote, the way we apportion votes, money as the principal vehicle for promoting political speech, how we "debate", how politics is discussed (separate from life and as some sort of a "contest&quot .

Democrats want government to help with a lot of complex issues, meaning a lot of difficult and sometimes boring policy discussions.

Republicans want to maintain a power structure of wealthy, White, Christian (mainly Protestant) men, and will say or do anything to maintain that.

It is easier to convince people that "others" who are different than they are, are trying to take something from them or gain some unfair advantage, than it is to convince people to band together in common interest to take on people with actual power over the political system.