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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Someone might have a price to pay for that," says Judge Sullivan.
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Jacob Bogage
@jacobbogage
Judge Emmet G. Sullivan comes out swinging at USPS to open his hearing, and USPS's failure to comply with his order.
"Someone might have a price to pay for that," he said.
10:04 AM · Nov 4, 2020
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,525 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It needs to be Donald Trump and Dejoy.
KPN
(15,637 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)nt
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Not sure that's how it will be.
brewens
(13,539 posts)tampering, or whatever would be appropriate. The Nuremberg defense can't be allowed for anyone involved.
Captain Zero
(6,785 posts)For DeJoy.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Are they worth any more than the breath it took to utter them? Some people are just a weensy bit tired of the unrelenting lawlessness of this administration.
Thekaspervote
(32,707 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I just don't think there's a legal remedy for the USPS's failure to follow his order. He isn't going to throw anyone in jail, nobody's going to get fined, and ordering the missing ballots to be counted isn't within his authority as a judge.
BComplex
(8,019 posts)That's the hell of the whole thing. Even if he arrested DeJoy, Sullivan is Federal, and trump would pardon deJoy.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He's on the way out, and gives a shit about NOBODY but himself.
jaxexpat
(6,803 posts)It's been a trying day or so for little Donny.
Sleep........sleep little Donny......you've only pooped your pants a little. Sleep
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(595 posts)BComplex
(8,019 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)No. SHOULD, and a big one at that. Probably more than one "someone", too.
Showing the impotence judges in the face of defiance of their rulings.
I've yet to find what enforcement agency they use.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Rule Number One in Life: NEVER, EVER PISS OF A FEDERAL JUDGE!
If I were deJackoff, I would be very, very concerned.
JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)Federal judges have massive egos. Though there are naysayers here, I wouldn't trifle with an order from a fed judge. Contempt of court is one weapon.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)He was on the LA Central District Court bench when I was in practice. Complete and total asshole...with an ego bigger than Trump's!
Manuel Lawrence Real (pronounced "reel," not "reál"; January 27, 1924 June 26, 2019) was a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Central District of California. He was appointed in 1966 by President Lyndon B. Johnson.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Real|
I saw him hold a AUSA in contempt for not pronouncing his name correctly!
Stallion
(6,473 posts)FBaggins
(26,721 posts)A district judge tells an executive branch agency to change its practices today (and literally on election day)?
It would be too easy to see this court throwing that out as overreach. He couldn't have made the order a week earlier and given them time to implement it or appeal?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)have done by law yesterday?
Its like telling the thief to return the goods to the rightful owner. Should the thief complain about being expected to do it right away?
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Apparently, Sullivan ordered them to do something between 12:30-3:00 that they usually do starting at 4pm... and reportedly made the order at 12:30.
It may have been a good idea, but I'm not sure how he could expect an organization of that size to turn on a dime that quickly. More relevantly... I'm not sure how he would expect a hostile SCOTUS to uphold a penalty for failure to comply that quickly.
Federal judges have enormous amounts of power. But if one of them tells FedEx "I want every one of your trucks inspected for faulty brake lines in the next three hours and a certification on my desk that you've verified that it was done!"... he's likely to get a document in reply that says "we tried as hard as we could but couldn't get it done".
Native
(5,936 posts)concern about, each and every one of them, starting at the top of the food chain."
and this...
SULLIVAN: "It just leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth for the clock to run out games over and then to find out there was no compliance with a very important court order."
KPN
(15,637 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)KS Toronado
(17,154 posts)The Justice Dept said they wouldn't/couldn't comply. That's exactly the point.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Bev54
(10,039 posts)wryter2000
(46,023 posts)As long as there are no consequences, they'll keep doing this shit. Throw the lot of them in jail for 30 days and let them think about it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,257 posts)spanone
(135,795 posts)Takket
(21,528 posts)i mean....... dejoy just ignored a court order. if you or I did that we'd be locked up!
Cha
(296,848 posts)midst of all the fascist criminal activity of the USPS under de joy creep.
Blue Owl
(50,263 posts)Make tRump/DeJoystick pay the goddamned price
Sneederbunk
(14,278 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)TxVietVet
(1,905 posts)I believe he would have to admit to the crime for which he is pardoned for. (?)
Didnt that happen to Arapaho in AZ?
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Traildogbob
(8,677 posts)Yes. Appeal and delay until the end of January. When trump is gone, Barr is gone. Then they can not Pardon, and their Involvement can be prosecuted. No presidential immunity. We all know who gave the order. He wont be able to handle the truth. He cant keep getting away with this! A few movie references there.
Lock em up!!!! A applicable Trump reference.
tableturner
(1,680 posts)He can go to jail for these, and like I wrote above, they are also state law violations, which Trump cannot pardon.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Late last night -- or, more accurately, early this morning -- my cousin called me. He was upset by how things appeared to be going. I told him that I was very confident that Judge Sullivan was going to step up to protect democracy.
Thank you for posting this! It is very much appreciated!
yaesu
(8,020 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)So sad.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)have to pay the price, FT. Can we get some justice?
Gothmog
(144,924 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)who will the judge get to collect that price? Who will enforce the law?
NoMoreRepugs
(9,371 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)When they tried to deport someone without a hearing.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)Armed right-wing vigilantes are allowed to terrorize innocent citizens on a major highway, not only no repercussions but with the president raising their dangerous actions.
Armed vigilantes are allowed to storm state houses to make demands of governors and police merely look on. Unarmed protesters peacefully protesting the public murder of a black man by a cop are pepper sprayed and attacked by police. Peaceful protesters marching to a polling station are pepper sprayed by police.
The leader of the USPS lies under oath to Congress with no repercussions and ignores a federal judges orders. There will be no repercussions because we do not have an Attorney General who bothers to enforce the law, we have only a personal attorney for the president.
We have a president who willfully ignores the Constitutional role of the US House with its powers of oversight and refuses to provide documents or allow witnesses to testify. Federal judges support the presidents refusal to obey the Constitution.
We have a president who declared victory and demanded that all vote counting stop because he was ahead. That is not a democracy. I dont know exactly what we are these days, but it feels like were moving further and further away from that notion of equality and justice under the law.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)Stay safe, Judge Sullivan.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,305 posts)New: A USPS official told a judge they've ordered personnel in TX to do special sweeps for election mail, with the assumption the judge will sign a proposed order to that effect (attached) the plaintiffs asked for this because the deadline for TX to accept mail ballots is today
Link to tweet
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Count all the votes!
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,305 posts)pamdb
(1,332 posts)Too little, too late.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,305 posts)Take two: Judge Sullivan in USPS case orders postal investigators to sweep facilities in Texas, where mail ballots are due by 5pm TODAY
Link to tweet
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Barr's In-Justice Dept certainly won't bring charges. How about contempt of court at the very least?
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)Absolutely disgraceful!!!
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)even if Trump comes out ahead.
rocktivity
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)please its so colonial and patriot for postmasters.
bucolic_frolic
(43,058 posts)to private carriers contracted by the USPS, and are unaccounted for? Any?