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NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:46 PM Nov 2020

A good 538 live blog update by Nate . You'll like this.


NATE SILVER
NOV. 4, 4:31 PM
Where The Outstanding Presidential Races Stand, From Most Likely Trump Win To Least Likely Trump Win
Nate here. Stepping back into the saddle here for the rest of the day after a brief rest. I’m going to give you a rundown of how I’m currently seeing the states where we still don’t have projections, even though it might be a little redundant with what we’ve written earlier.

But here’s where the presidential race stands from most likely Trump win to least likely Trump win:

North Carolina. Trump leads by 1.4 points or about 77,000 votes, but mail ballots can arrive after Election Day in North Carolina, so perhaps 5 percent of the vote is still outstanding. The mail vote should be pretty blue in North Carolina, but is it enough to flip the state? Probably not, according to The Upshot’s needle, which gave Biden about a 15 percent chance in North Carolina before it was frozen. I’d call this one Likely Trump, although 15 percent chances aren’t zero, obviously!

Georgia. Trump leads by 78,000 votes without around 200,000 votes outstanding (there’s some uncertainty over the exact number). That seems like a tall order for Biden, but the remaining vote is expected to be very blue: mail votes from blue counties plus some Election Day votes from predominantly Black precincts in blue counties. The Upshot’s needle actually had Biden slightly favored to pull it off as of last night. We’ll know more soon. Let’s say Tossup but you could force me into Lean Biden if you told me I had to make a pick.

Pennsylvania. As expected, far more uncounted votes here than elsewhere, mostly mail votes that should be quite Democratic-leaning, though. There are too many outstanding ballots for us to be in the endgame where we can game out exact scenarios, but in counties that have completed reporting, Biden looks to be hitting the targets he needs. Even with the Trump campaign filing a number of lawsuits, the margin is tightening quickly enough that I think this belongs in Lean Biden.

Arizona. We may need to do a longer post on Arizona later. What’s left to count is mostly mail votes that were returned late in the process — on Monday or Tuesday. There’s some ambiguity about how many ballots this actually is; Edison Research seems to think around 450,000. If so, Trump would need to win those votes by 21 points to overtake Biden’s current 93,000-vote lead. They’re disrupted fairly evenly throughout the state.

Wait — outstanding mail votes? Shouldn’t those be good for Biden, as in other states? Well, not necessarily, because Republicans have a fairly strong mail voting program in Arizona and — this is the key part — the mail ballots that were returned later in the process (the ones yet to be continued) were significantly redder than the ones that came in earlier on, as Democrats sent their votes in early. For instance, the party registration of the votes that came in Monday and Tuesday were: 23 percent Democratic, 44 percent Republican, and 33 percent independent or other parties. That is to say, a 21-point GOP edge, which would put Trump on track to tie things up.

But … here’s the bad news for Trump. Party registration may be a misleading indicator in Arizona. It has a lot of ancestral Republicans who have now turned into swing voters. Biden also had a big lead among independents in polls. And earlier batches of mail ballots were considerably stronger for Biden than party registration alone would suggest. So probably these ballots are going to come in more for Trump than for Biden, but not as strongly as he needs.

There’s also the fact that two other news organizations, the Associated Press and Fox News, have called the state for Biden. I’d assume they’ve put more work into looking into this than I have, so that shifts my priors a bit, but you never know and you will get incorrect calls occasionally. Overall, I’d say this is Likely Biden but I don’t think the state should have been called yet.

Nevada. This one’s a bit more straightforward. Biden leads by only 0.6 percent or about 7,500 votes. But what’s remaining should be pretty good for him. It’s all mail-in ballots that were either received late in the process or which are still coming in — in Nevada, mail ballots can be received by Nov. 10 provided they’re postmarked by Election Day. The mail ballots were quite blue in Nevada by party registration, much more so than in Arizona, including votes that arrived relatively late in the process. Likely Biden.

Michigan. Biden is ahead, leading by around 61,000 votes or 1.2 percentage points. His lead has been growing and given what votes are outstanding, is likely to grow further. Likely Biden.

Wisconsin. No known votes left to be counted. The Trump campaign says it will seek a recount, but recounts rarely change results, and certainly not with something on the magnitude of Biden’s 20,000-vote lead. Biden is the “apparent winner,” per ABC News
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A good 538 live blog update by Nate . You'll like this. (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 OP
I don't like this feeling, but I'm skeptical of 538 at the moment. cry baby Nov 2020 #1
Makes no sense. Dem2 Nov 2020 #5
I understand and agree. Like I said, it's undeniably PTSD. nt cry baby Nov 2020 #6
I'm with you there Dem2 Nov 2020 #8
10 Biden leans, just 1 or 2 should do it. empedocles Nov 2020 #2
Crossing the 300 EV threshold would be pretty sweet. Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #3
Yes, too soon to feel comfortable. Let the final tally come asap BSdetect Nov 2020 #4
Either he doesn't mind sticking his neck out way too far, or..... DFW Nov 2020 #7

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
8. I'm with you there
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:54 PM
Nov 2020

I am glad I only whispered that we were expected to win, the only thing that seemed sure to me was NH (my state) and WI/MI. Glad I stopped there.

DFW

(54,426 posts)
7. Either he doesn't mind sticking his neck out way too far, or.....
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:14 PM
Nov 2020

He knows more than he's letting on, and this is a lock for us.

This is optimistic, but not necessarily encouraging.

I've see it put in other terms that I liked better. One thing of which I am confident--this won't be a solid, foolproof wrap by the time I leave for work tomorrow (6:15 CET).

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