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mcar

(42,309 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:55 PM Nov 2020

The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in This Election

This settles it, IMO. Republicanism, not just IMPOTUS' rabid base, is a cult.

The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in This Election
Never Trump conservatives are about as relevant to the actual election results this year as are the Whigs or the Free Soil Party.

By Charles P. Pierce
Nov 4, 2020

Can we talk about Never Trump for a minute?

Its various iterations—The Lincoln Project, Republicans Against Trump—made some fine commercials and a lot of noise. They raised a lot of money, especially TLP, which is now going to morph into a multi-platform media network that likely will become a permanent (and very conservative) factor in elections going forward. Starting from scratch, TLP raised $60 million. Republicans Against Trump got started late, but they hoovered up $10 million. This is nice work if you can get it.

The problem is that, despite their fat bank accounts and some terrific publicity, these people didn't materially affect the presidential race at all. Their entertaining commercials got great run, but they didn't move 10 votes. They certainly didn't materially affect the Republican side. What data we have at the moment indicates that the president* got more of the Republican vote this time than he did in 2016. He certainly got more votes generally than he did four years ago. Take them all in all, and Never Trump is about as relevant to the actual election results this year as are the Whigs or the Free Soil Party. The problem for all the rest of us is that they should be.

Never Trump should have been a haven for Republicans and conservatives revolted by the notion that their party and the government had been appropriated by a vulgar talking yam. As should be obvious, there just aren't that many people like that. Most of the Never Trump movement is on salary to the Never Trump movement. Everybody else is completely With The Program. The president* has utterly subsumed American conservatism in general and the Republican Party in particular and, win or lose, he's not going to go anywhere.

If Joe Biden becomes president, this president* will be the center of resistance to him. He's already established among his followers that any result that produces President Biden is prima facie illegitimate. That feeling will be set in concrete among the president*'s followers by the turn of the New Year. There is no viable counterweight to him within or without the party. Unless he ends up destitute and/or in jail—and neither one is necessarily a longshot—he's going to continue to barge into Republican politics and scatter everything like monkey poo. A well-financed, clever opposition should be viable within the Republican infrastructure and should flourish there, if the Never Trump propaganda is to be believed. Taking the party back should be a saleable pitch.

But, outside of glossy magazines and network green rooms, Never Trump has no constituency, and it certainly isn't going to build one based on Tuesday's results. Behind this president*, the Republicans held their Senate majority and increased their share of the House. As for the president* himself, if he loses, it will be by a sufficiently narrow margin to leave his outsized influence intact. There's not enough snark in the world to prevent that.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34576561/never-trump-republicans-lincoln-project-2020/

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The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in This Election (Original Post) mcar Nov 2020 OP
Sure felt good though soothsayer Nov 2020 #1
The ads were great mcar Nov 2020 #17
Entertained my WOP ass for months! Drahthaardogs Nov 2020 #19
If anything Windy City Charlie Nov 2020 #2
Yup. I've been saying that all along. High entertainment value for us. Little use. nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #3
Well I, for one, loved to see their ads.. They lifted my spirits....... secondwind Nov 2020 #4
They were brilliant mcar Nov 2020 #18
This is one more reason I believe there was something hinky going on with the voting. AleksS Nov 2020 #5
Motivation Windy City Charlie Nov 2020 #8
I don't think I will ever be convinced that there wasn't something suspicious renate Nov 2020 #16
Your first paragraph especially. AleksS Nov 2020 #28
Actually - with the apparent tablulation indicating the Biden/Harris race had the highest turnout BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #6
# of votes is incredible mcar Nov 2020 #23
Pfft Dem2 Nov 2020 #7
Disagree completely WSHazel Nov 2020 #9
Pierce acknowledges that mcar Nov 2020 #24
Truth melman Nov 2020 #10
TLP got ad placement on Faux Noise, maybe that was the best strategy FakeNoose Nov 2020 #11
They were targeted for one person ThoughtCriminal Nov 2020 #12
I don't believe that Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #13
I think they moved a lot more than 10 votes ... CatMor Nov 2020 #14
IF TLP had an impact on Indies, then it was worthwhile and effective. Kaleva Nov 2020 #15
55% of white women went Trump mcar Nov 2020 #25
and the suburbs did shift blue (strongly in some cases) radius777 Nov 2020 #30
They sure made money, though! WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #20
I disagree. They exposed his insanity and corruption. lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #21
Oh bullshit. PTWB Nov 2020 #22
Did anyone else find Charlie's, y'know, evidence ? I searched but I couldn't find any. If we are to OnDoutside Nov 2020 #26
I got a post hidden for pointing this out. aidbo Nov 2020 #27
Charles Pierce's s opinion mirrors that of the Rose twitter followers of Nina Turner & DSA'S Budi Nov 2020 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Nov 2020 #31

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
5. This is one more reason I believe there was something hinky going on with the voting.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:58 PM
Nov 2020

There WERE never-trumpers. These guys EXISTED.

There WERE republicans against Trump.

Some republicans DID turn against him in the last 4 years.

There WAS Trumpgret.

Yet he got MORE votes? I do not believe it for one red second.

renate

(13,776 posts)
16. I don't think I will ever be convinced that there wasn't something suspicious
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:13 PM
Nov 2020

Most of us know old-school, decent, McCain-style Republicans. While I can imagine them not voting for Hillary, I find it very hard to believe that at least 10% of them wouldn't vote for Biden.

And as energized as Democrats were, and with the platform principles of the Democratic party being more popular than the GOP's (even if they had any other than "what Trump says&quot , I just don't believe the race could have been this close. Not after a quarter of a million people dead and millions out of work.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
28. Your first paragraph especially.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:28 PM
Nov 2020

There are McCain republicans. There are republican folks who think the magat brigade is obscene and obnoxious and that the president should act with dignity and decorum.

But apparently we’re supposed to believe that all republicans are red hats nowadays?

I’m not buying it. I smell shenanigans.

BumRushDaShow

(128,930 posts)
6. Actually - with the apparent tablulation indicating the Biden/Harris race had the highest turnout
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:58 PM
Nov 2020

in the history of this nation, something moved some votes (in addition to the abject insanity of the past 4 years). It will be interesting to see the final popular vote total.

WSHazel

(159 posts)
9. Disagree completely
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:00 PM
Nov 2020

their ads were incredible. The Putin ad from June was the best political advertisement I have ever seen, and it was in Russian.

We needed all hands to pull this off. Let's not fight with our friends, at least for a little longer.

FakeNoose

(32,638 posts)
11. TLP got ad placement on Faux Noise, maybe that was the best strategy
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:07 PM
Nov 2020

I doubt that Biden ads even got airplay on Faux, and if they did, nobody was listening.

But the TLP ads were different, they could fool people into listening because they didn't know if they were "for" Chump or against him. People had to follow the train of thought to find out, and that's the trick - that's how you get them on your side for 30 seconds.

Also they got a lot of airplay on Twitter and Facebook, and probably other social media as well. Maybe it's all we needed to get some of those Faux voters who wouldn't have listened to Joe Biden or anyone else.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
12. They were targeted for one person
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:08 PM
Nov 2020

Trump.

They were designed to get inside his head. I think they helped to keep him on the defensive.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
30. and the suburbs did shift blue (strongly in some cases)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:35 PM
Nov 2020

all over the country - which allowed us to eke out victories in some of these swing states.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
22. Oh bullshit.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:15 PM
Nov 2020

That isn’t quantifiable. We have no way of knowing how many people they swayed but I’d bet it was a hell of a lot more than 10.

This race is going to be RAZOR close in several states. I’ll take every bit of help we can get and be thankful for it.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
26. Did anyone else find Charlie's, y'know, evidence ? I searched but I couldn't find any. If we are to
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:18 PM
Nov 2020

use personal opinion, how many voters did Charlie move with his * after president ?

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
27. I got a post hidden for pointing this out.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:19 PM
Nov 2020

the Lincoln Project played well-meaning Democrats like a fiddle. They made ads directed at people who hate Trump already and were never going to vote for him.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Charles Pierce's s opinion mirrors that of the Rose twitter followers of Nina Turner & DSA'S
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:30 PM
Nov 2020

They have a serious bug up their butts about TLP & such, enlarging a Moderate & Centrist coalition.

It goes against their movement of extremism, their 5 year long campaign against the Democratic Party & their "anti-Democratic at-all-cost", mantras.

Pierce's riduculous denegration of anti-Trump groups has been going on since The Lincoln Project stepped up & ran a campaign against authoritarian Trump.

The extremists I encounter, like DSA, Jacobin, Sarandon followers, speak exactly like Pierce in this article.

They'd prefer the reasonable & fair Center not become unified & grow. (Because it weakens their own strength.)

The Democratic Party has thrived & succeeded as a unified Party of all people, because they stand in the Center of the fulcrum.
Not the extreme Right nor the extreme Left.

I realize that when the Dem Party embraces all in the Center, the extremists remain odd-men-out.

Good governance can only succeed when it comes from the center.

********

Basically Charles Pierce has no idea the numbers of voters who were motivated by TLP.

He's following the same schtick as the far left, and has absolutely ZERO data to prove his claim.



This is some biased propaganda.
It is an opinion & has no data source to prove it's claim.

Pierce is full of it. He sounds like the rose twitter cosplays. 🙄


Charles Pierce makes his money speaking to a specific group of people.
Same way The Lincoln Project does.

Only TLP actually stated facts in their ads.
Pierce is just a bullshitter.













Response to Budi (Reply #29)

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