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This settles it, IMO. Republicanism, not just IMPOTUS' rabid base, is a cult.
The Lincoln Project Didn't Move 10 Votes in This Election
Never Trump conservatives are about as relevant to the actual election results this year as are the Whigs or the Free Soil Party.
By Charles P. Pierce
Nov 4, 2020
Can we talk about Never Trump for a minute?
Its various iterationsThe Lincoln Project, Republicans Against Trumpmade some fine commercials and a lot of noise. They raised a lot of money, especially TLP, which is now going to morph into a multi-platform media network that likely will become a permanent (and very conservative) factor in elections going forward. Starting from scratch, TLP raised $60 million. Republicans Against Trump got started late, but they hoovered up $10 million. This is nice work if you can get it.
The problem is that, despite their fat bank accounts and some terrific publicity, these people didn't materially affect the presidential race at all. Their entertaining commercials got great run, but they didn't move 10 votes. They certainly didn't materially affect the Republican side. What data we have at the moment indicates that the president* got more of the Republican vote this time than he did in 2016. He certainly got more votes generally than he did four years ago. Take them all in all, and Never Trump is about as relevant to the actual election results this year as are the Whigs or the Free Soil Party. The problem for all the rest of us is that they should be.
Never Trump should have been a haven for Republicans and conservatives revolted by the notion that their party and the government had been appropriated by a vulgar talking yam. As should be obvious, there just aren't that many people like that. Most of the Never Trump movement is on salary to the Never Trump movement. Everybody else is completely With The Program. The president* has utterly subsumed American conservatism in general and the Republican Party in particular and, win or lose, he's not going to go anywhere.
If Joe Biden becomes president, this president* will be the center of resistance to him. He's already established among his followers that any result that produces President Biden is prima facie illegitimate. That feeling will be set in concrete among the president*'s followers by the turn of the New Year. There is no viable counterweight to him within or without the party. Unless he ends up destitute and/or in jailand neither one is necessarily a longshothe's going to continue to barge into Republican politics and scatter everything like monkey poo. A well-financed, clever opposition should be viable within the Republican infrastructure and should flourish there, if the Never Trump propaganda is to be believed. Taking the party back should be a saleable pitch.
But, outside of glossy magazines and network green rooms, Never Trump has no constituency, and it certainly isn't going to build one based on Tuesday's results. Behind this president*, the Republicans held their Senate majority and increased their share of the House. As for the president* himself, if he loses, it will be by a sufficiently narrow margin to leave his outsized influence intact. There's not enough snark in the world to prevent that.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34576561/never-trump-republicans-lincoln-project-2020/
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)mcar
(42,309 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Loved it
Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)If anything, it may have energized Trump's voters more.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)mcar
(42,309 posts)AleksS
(1,665 posts)There WERE never-trumpers. These guys EXISTED.
There WERE republicans against Trump.
Some republicans DID turn against him in the last 4 years.
There WAS Trumpgret.
Yet he got MORE votes? I do not believe it for one red second.
Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)The Lincoln Project may have motivated Trump's voters to go out and vote.
renate
(13,776 posts)Most of us know old-school, decent, McCain-style Republicans. While I can imagine them not voting for Hillary, I find it very hard to believe that at least 10% of them wouldn't vote for Biden.
And as energized as Democrats were, and with the platform principles of the Democratic party being more popular than the GOP's (even if they had any other than "what Trump says" , I just don't believe the race could have been this close. Not after a quarter of a million people dead and millions out of work.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)There are McCain republicans. There are republican folks who think the magat brigade is obscene and obnoxious and that the president should act with dignity and decorum.
But apparently were supposed to believe that all republicans are red hats nowadays?
Im not buying it. I smell shenanigans.
BumRushDaShow
(128,930 posts)in the history of this nation, something moved some votes (in addition to the abject insanity of the past 4 years). It will be interesting to see the final popular vote total.
mcar
(42,309 posts)But the demographics is depressing.
Nobody knows but the articles are funny so soon with the election still in the air!
WSHazel
(159 posts)their ads were incredible. The Putin ad from June was the best political advertisement I have ever seen, and it was in Russian.
We needed all hands to pull this off. Let's not fight with our friends, at least for a little longer.
mcar
(42,309 posts)the ads were incredible. The point is that they didn't move votes.
k&r as they say.
FakeNoose
(32,638 posts)I doubt that Biden ads even got airplay on Faux, and if they did, nobody was listening.
But the TLP ads were different, they could fool people into listening because they didn't know if they were "for" Chump or against him. People had to follow the train of thought to find out, and that's the trick - that's how you get them on your side for 30 seconds.
Also they got a lot of airplay on Twitter and Facebook, and probably other social media as well. Maybe it's all we needed to get some of those Faux voters who wouldn't have listened to Joe Biden or anyone else.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)Trump.
They were designed to get inside his head. I think they helped to keep him on the defensive.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)so yes they did.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)mcar
(42,309 posts)I can't get past that.
radius777
(3,635 posts)all over the country - which allowed us to eke out victories in some of these swing states.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,334 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)It had to help.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That isnt quantifiable. We have no way of knowing how many people they swayed but Id bet it was a hell of a lot more than 10.
This race is going to be RAZOR close in several states. Ill take every bit of help we can get and be thankful for it.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)use personal opinion, how many voters did Charlie move with his * after president ?
aidbo
(2,328 posts)the Lincoln Project played well-meaning Democrats like a fiddle. They made ads directed at people who hate Trump already and were never going to vote for him.
Budi
(15,325 posts)They have a serious bug up their butts about TLP & such, enlarging a Moderate & Centrist coalition.
It goes against their movement of extremism, their 5 year long campaign against the Democratic Party & their "anti-Democratic at-all-cost", mantras.
Pierce's riduculous denegration of anti-Trump groups has been going on since The Lincoln Project stepped up & ran a campaign against authoritarian Trump.
The extremists I encounter, like DSA, Jacobin, Sarandon followers, speak exactly like Pierce in this article.
They'd prefer the reasonable & fair Center not become unified & grow. (Because it weakens their own strength.)
The Democratic Party has thrived & succeeded as a unified Party of all people, because they stand in the Center of the fulcrum.
Not the extreme Right nor the extreme Left.
I realize that when the Dem Party embraces all in the Center, the extremists remain odd-men-out.
Good governance can only succeed when it comes from the center.
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Basically Charles Pierce has no idea the numbers of voters who were motivated by TLP.
He's following the same schtick as the far left, and has absolutely ZERO data to prove his claim.
This is some biased propaganda.
It is an opinion & has no data source to prove it's claim.
Pierce is full of it. He sounds like the rose twitter cosplays. 🙄
Charles Pierce makes his money speaking to a specific group of people.
Same way The Lincoln Project does.
Only TLP actually stated facts in their ads.
Pierce is just a bullshitter.
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