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There are two upsides to the Trump presidency. The first is that we now have a list of the worst people in the United States of America. His appointees without doubt were the most dangerous, repulsive group of individuals elevated to high positions I have ever seen. The second piece of good news is it United groups on the left Against this asshole, and the complacency which we had acquired over the last umpteen years is gone.
I have a story to relate from a couple days ago which was not germane to the election per se, so I waited to post it. One of my patients is a very significant African-American attorney here in Philadelphia, who has represented both civilly and criminally some of the biggest names in the city and the surround. I have known him for a long time and can state unequivocally he is one of those people who truly understands the human condition on all levels, and is a quietly brilliant man. He was in the other day, And as got ready to leave he turned to me and he said that for the first time in his life he understands how the Holocaust happened. That a populace can be hoodwinked into beliefs antithetical to normalcy by a dictator. It was quite a statement from a fairly remarkable man.
I cannot wait for the declaration of victory. I am amused That Philadelphia, the birthplace of American democracy, is going to be the place wherein we retake a semblance of sanity and try to rebuild America and its civilization.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Delarage
(2,186 posts)And it's fitting that a Delawarean helps us re-get there, seeing as we were the first state and all
onetexan
(13,020 posts)Democracy should be destined to save it for us
ananda
(28,834 posts)Goosebumps
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Making America Care Again.
Maeve
(42,271 posts)But I think we have people who can handle it
malaise
(268,693 posts)THIS
PCIntern
(25,479 posts)when discussing the resultant horrors. That it doesnt happen overnight and there are enough haters to implement the mechanisms in the initial stages. More fall in line later.
It's like thinking it's all calm and beautiful as folks watch the sea totally unaware about what lies beneath. People see what they want.
Years ago one of my siblings received an award and her husband boasted on line about his trophy wife. They received more than enough hate male asking how how a trophy wife could be black. That was her awakening after more than 40 years in the US.
PCIntern
(25,479 posts)What a world.
that is fucked in ALL kinds of ways!!!
Bradshaw3
(7,486 posts)wnylib
(21,336 posts)what your post says, how support for someone like Trump can lead to incremental fascism. Most people could not see it because their minds immediately turned to the results and not the process. They did not know what the process had been in Germany, so they could not understand. I fault our educational system for not making people more aware of the processes by which democracy can be threatened.
I grew up in the post WWII years when Americans were consumed with fear of communism and apparently thought that fascism had been defeated forever. The only reason that I learned anything about the incremental rise of fascism in Europe, and especially in Germany, is because my own curiosity led me to read up on it from not only political analysts, but from people who had lived through it and could describe the day to day process.
AllaN01Bear
(17,987 posts)didnt beleive that the Holocaust happened, but there are survivors who felt something happend , esp: the ones with the star of david or number tattos on them.
malaise
(268,693 posts)Fuck the fascists
sdfernando
(4,925 posts)we heard so many survivors of the Holocaust speak out and tell what was happening before our very eyes....they were warning us that it was beginning here, right now, in the United States of America. So many are not listening and learning from History.
I have to admit that even though I was taught about the Holocaust and all its horrors...even though I was born in Germany and lived basically in the old Dachau camp it was always something that happened way back when. It was ancient history to me. I never really studied how that whole horror came to be in existence. I think we have all had a hard lesson in that respect. I believed we had gotten past that evilness but it crops up every so often....and sad to say that so much so called "religion" is a huge driver of this.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)malaise
(268,693 posts)turning brother and sister and famil and friends against one another in the name of ideological war.
Cirque du So-What
(25,908 posts)especially in human costs - and its ongoing.
BSdetect
(8,994 posts)Split his empire to dust
hkp11
(275 posts)Link: [link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/australia-murdoch-media-inquiry-intl-hnk/index.html]
The petition to parliament was launched by former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd a little over three weeks ago and closed on Wednesday. It calls for a Royal Commission Australia's highest form of public inquiry to "investigate threats to media diversity." It also accused media businesses of encouraging "deliberately polarizing and politically manipulated news."
While the petition raised several points of concern, including Google (GOOGL) and Facebook's (FB) relationship with the news media, it singled out Murdoch's News Corp (NWS) as a potential threat to free speech and public debate.
"We are especially concerned that Australia's print media is overwhelmingly controlled by News Corporation, founded by Fox News billionaire Rupert Murdoch, with around two-thirds of daily newspaper readership," the petition said. "This power is routinely used to attack opponents in business and politics by blending editorial opinion with news reporting."
We need to do that here!!!
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)Fox, Sinclair, and hate radio shock jocks should not be allowed to hide behind the right to free speech. I have no clue how laws could be framed to curtail them yet pass the Constitutional muster, but we need to try.
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)The loss of 'The Fairness Doctrine' in Media in 1987 was the first key blow that has crippled our Freedoms ever since.
Then Bill let The Telecommunications Act of 1996 go through and allowed the Media Monoplies to dominate.
AP News
Deregulation destroyed objective reporting
Kathleene Parker
April 14, 2019
https://apnews.com/article/f2021dc7425a4001b1f910a3bb075b87
Ronald Reagans 1987 revocation of the Fairness Doctrine, which had banned bias and forbade news blackouts. One Southern TV station, for example, lost its license for refusing to report on the civil rights movement in a time when public protests to the FCC could cost broadcast licenses. The doctrines absence today means hot-button issues like immigration are reported only from ludicrously left-or-right emotional extremes absent context or middle-ground options. Worse are fabrications, such as media headlining our falling birthrate while blatantly ignoring astronomical 28 million to 30 million decadal population explosions, 82 percent immigration-driven, in ours, the third-most populated and highest by a factor of three per capita carbon nation. News once reported spontaneously and honestly based solely on its own merits is replaced by topics selectively reported to artificially create specific perceptions and a false national reality.
President Bill Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act removing conflict-of-interest restrictions on all major-media ownership. Once, those who owned media could only own media. Now, those manufacturing weapons can own media, and as I believe they have use it to encourage war. National media, in 1996 owned by 52 entities, is now 90 percent owned by six near-monopolies, using TV, internet, major newspapers and movies to their own ends.
Are leaders so busy with partisan mudslinging encouraged by media they are unaware that media, more than any other force, is tearing the nation apart?
Or, is it that Big Media a dangerous new version of Big Brother is ensuring that the conversation about re-regulating media never happens?
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)well, then this needs to be re-enabled! not sure how it can be done with repuke senate majority
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)34 seats up and 22 are Rethuglican.
If Moscow Mitch continues to Obstruct the will of The American People then there will be a Blue 'blood bath' in the Senate elections.
Kali
(55,003 posts)bothsiderism is a product of "fairness"
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Before, under TFD, we had real discussions and compromise as far as what we saw on TV or heard on the Radio was concerned. It was not in any way marketed or pushed as 'bothsiderism'. Everyone knew that both sides would get to speak, but also knew when the media was simply allowing the minority their fair time on the air.
I submit 'bothsiderism' is a more recent phenomenon that has it's roots in Fox New's infamous 'Fair And Balanced' meme started in the mid 1990's, and the rise of the 'Shock TV' jock to drive ratings that CNN pioneered with the 'Crossfire' model. Jon Stewart effectively neutered the show, and for a short time the meme, when he debated Tucker Carlson in 2006.
soldierant
(6,791 posts)Back in the day of, say, Walter Cronkite there were journalists with integrity (and it helped that they were in charge - no one ever tried to tell Cronkite how to spin something that I know of.) There are probably some today, maybe a lot, but their terms of employment are - different. That is what we need to get back.
And to sustain it, we need to address education - and there need to be consequences for falsehood there as well.
IANAL (and that's probably pretty obvious), but we certainly need lawyers who have a good grasp of this.
BComplex
(8,017 posts)I'm so past ready!!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Time to dismantle, buy out, re-program the brainwashing machine. That will destroy the evil GOP empire.
Ohiogal
(31,909 posts)FakeNoose
(32,579 posts)"Willful blindness" can happen anywhere when the conditions are ripe.
We've seen it here in the US in the 21st Century, but luckily not all of us fell for it. Enough of us can see through the ruse. We must always remain vigilant and ready to defend the rights of all citizens, especially those who cannot defend themselves. If we don't, we could end up like Germany with Hitler and the Nazis.
wnylib
(21,336 posts)and the long-standing democracy that Germany lacked, so we have the ability to do what Germans did not do - stop the growth of fascism before it takes total control. There is no excuse for us not to.
But, remember that even in Germany, there were people who courageously opposed fascism while it was in process - and even after it took over the nation. They were too much in the minority to succeed. They had a short history of democratic government.
We can do better. We must or we will walk the same path.
FakeNoose
(32,579 posts)llmart
(15,532 posts)I just awoke and am wondering how the count is going in PA? I remember being a teenager and visiting Philly for the first time. I bought a little liberty bell to put on my desk at home. Philly/PA was the first time I'd ever travelled outside my little rural town in Ohio and from then on I was bitten by the travel bug and the fact that there was a whole diverse country out there for me to see. I was also hell bent on getting an education too.
keepthemhonestO
(252 posts)thought the birthplace of Democracy!
bucolic_frolic
(43,044 posts)I don't want to exhibit Trumpian/QAnon paranoia, but this slow and cautious rollout of election results culminating in Philly has remarkable synergy to the point of orchestration in my mind. Are we trying to burst the bubble and drag MAGA back to earth in a hopefully peaceful manner? Its geographically continent-wide, east, west, north, south, there are other close races. Ah, probably the happenstance of a failing cult, but remarkable to the point of karma.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)comment at the end. Where our democracy started it will be restored again. How symbolic!
Our forefathers are watching.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)There was already terrible violence / pogroms and a long history of intense hatred.
hkp11
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we know what lengths the Senate repukes, other repukes will go to keep their power and grab $$$, help Drumpf and get their agenda done - tax cuts, SCOTUS appointments, put out lies and support lies beyond belief, suppress votes any way possible, etc.
they cannot be trusted. they will do anything - even cheat to get their way. And the Senate repukes, other repukes do everything in their power to destroy Dems powers when we win.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)spanone
(135,791 posts)Response to PCIntern (Original post)
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NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)I cannot wait for the declaration of victory either.
wnylib
(21,336 posts)that the announcement will trigger violent reactions from the RWers.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)I'm sad to say your concerns may turn out to be valid. These people are devoted to Trump and will do anything for him. He's good at inciting violence. They're waiting for his signal.
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)This is the most furious election Ive ever experienced. In 2000, I wasnt voting back then.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)It was called The Wave. A High School experiment goes wrong...
It was supposed to be an after school special but ended up running at night along with 60 Minutes.
Experiments like this should be done in all schools. Maybe hatred would go down...
Neema
(1,151 posts)It's truly terrifying how monstrous they've become. And I know a certain percentage of them always were monstrous and found a champion in trump. But I have to believe that at least some of them have been fully brainwashed and indoctrinated due to a combination of poor education, ignorance, gullibility, hardship and fear.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)said its time for America to cool off . An you imagine the balls in this bastard, knowing he is whipping up hate and allowing it to continue. Limbaugh will hopefully be deep six soon and I hope Murdoch suffers another fall soon. They should both burn in hell.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)required reading in High School.
I read a lot of books on the Holocaust by authors who wanted to understand how it happened on the ground from both points of view. I also read the book about the Nazi killing squads who were deployed exclusively to villages to kill the Jewish citizens in the immediate wake of their military advancement. They were called Einsatzgruppen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen
Its become pretty clear that normal people can be used to do monstrous things simply because they will follow their leader no matter what. All that has to be done is to normalize cruelty.
I think there may be a very strong correlation between violent authoritarian upbringing and the acceptance of authoritarian violence as a fact of life. As a normal thing.
I have no trouble imagining the MAGATs who adore Trump acting as a mob to kill the rest of us. It used to be much harder to see than it is now. Now it would take an idiot not to see it.
Skittles
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I read about a police captain saying us Biden voters should be lined up and shot and that's what I thought too - I will never again have to wonder how the Holocaust could have happened, I have now seen it with my own eye
BobTheSubgenius
(11,559 posts)The death camps were a long (?) way off, but Kristallnacht was looming.
dobleremolque
(489 posts)"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,249 posts)quakerboy
(13,916 posts)The cake is NV is where we won it. The icing is GA is where we can still take senate control. The city of brotherly love is just the a nice cherry on top to make it all look good and drive the point home.