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She stumbled badly in the early days of her tenure, and didn't get much better.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)I think we have too many marketing contractors that don't do a very good job.
BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)Is that a thing?
brooklynite
(94,518 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Defund the Police is one of the dumbest phrases imaginable, and it drew in some democratic office holders like moths, some simply didnt not want to appear insensitive to the issue of police misconduct, so they kept their mouths shut or went along with that crazy idea. Police forces nationwide need to be reformed, there is simply no real path forward if police departments harbor racist cops, or women hating cops. Some departments are doing background checks that include social media, although they need to be more thorough - there is no place among police for a man or woman who espoused race based hatred unless it is plainly obvious that person has changed and treat everyone inclusively.
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)stopdiggin
(11,301 posts)hit like a really smelly turd. A lot of support out there for BLM -- then the "pointy heads" came along with "defund" ..... And a lot of America said, "So, when they start a fire in my neighborhood -- I'm suppose to call the social worker"? Not working for me!
The other thing was "Things were actually going along pretty good, before the virus hit." They weren't -- and that actually might have been clearer to people (jobs, school loans, ballooning deficits, tax cuts to the rich) in the absence of of a pandemic excuse. "Are you better off today?" lost some ground due to the crisis.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Literally all we heard on the air 24/7
W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)Autumn
(45,066 posts)Celerity
(43,333 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:51 AM - Edit history (2)
This whole thing faces up like a giant psy-op to go full 'We must become a party of magnets for Lincoln Project centre right to right Repug types and move further to the right.' That slide will blow out the left third to half of our party at some point, plus it will allow the Rethugs to go even further pure RW fascist nut jobby. Not to mention the dystopian hellhole that an 80% or so barely centre left to centre to centre right to right to full stop RW nation state would be to live in. and those labels are on the crazy skewed to the right (of the so-called centre) American scale. We already are OFF THE CHARTS in terms of rightward skew) for almost every other advanced democratic Western nation. Dems like Sinema, Manchin, etc would be on the rightward edge of the mainstream centre-right liberal parties (liberal is so misused in the US, in the rest of the world it means centre-right classical liberal conservative (free (never fair) trade, big business friendly, hostile to most all unions, pro-deregulation, big bank-friendly, shrink the welfare state, lower taxes etc.) Half or so of the Dem caucus would be on the leftward edge of those centre right liberal parties.
The FURTHEST left of all the Dems elected to Federal office would be middle of road, bog standard social democrats and centre lefties (yet in the US even vast swathes of the Dem party voter base and some in the Party itself call them RADICAL leftists, ffs). Bernie and AOC would never be in an actual far left EU party (unless they dropped MANY of their stances). In Sweden, for instance, the centre right to right wing traditional party (The Moderates, who changed their name from the Conservatives decades ago) wholeheartedly support universal, modified single payer (we use the Beveridge Model) healthcare. They (again this is the RW centre-right to right party) are to the left of well over half of the US Dems on banking regulation, worker protections (to a point, they are very neoliberal about it, like some in our US Democratic party were or are), trade (a big chunk were against TTIP, the EU version of TPP) , climate change programmes, the MIC aka war/security/surveillance state, etc etc etc.
Here is a breakdown of the flipped House races we lost.
Defund the police has been claimed as the number reason we lost them. The maths and electoral histories of the districts do not add up to validate that charge. The very same series of events also helped us explode our own turnout for racial justice, justice that is being overshadowed and shit on by this wailing and gnashing of teeth over RW messaging. People who look like me skin colour wise are going to keep on getting murdered by white power fucking gangster coppers regardless of whether the words 'defund the police' are said 100 million times or zero times.
All but one of the 9 flips (actually 8, read below for an explanation) came from Blue Wave 2018 freshman/women Dems, who rode that one-off wave to victories in red districts and were just victims in 2020 of Rump having extraordinary increased turnout and the districts reverting to norm.
In FL amongst RW Cubans for example, 2 of 9 flips (FL-26, and FL-27) were a direct result of huge voting increases of RW Cubans, and 'defund the police' was not the principal driver from anything that I have seen. I refuse to conflate the super new 'defund the police' hullabaloo (used as a psy-op by people on multiple sides) with a 60 year plus already existing history of faux anti-commie red baiting by the spawn of Batista-loving gangster Cubanos.
Another one of the 8 was MN-7, a massively (the most red of any Dem-held district) ruby red district where the centre/centre-right Democrat Colin Peterson went down hard, and it was a poor campaign by the incumbent Peterson, as he alienated much of his Dem base by going on pure attack mode of Ilhan Omar, saying she should not even be allowed in the Democratic Party.
In NY-11, Max Rose (the most likely to lose anyway, as that district is hardcore Repug) went full Trumper, saying in adverts that he 'stood with Trump' and that he owed zero allegiance to the Dem Party, and attacked the REPUBLICAN opponent for not being 'Trumpy' enough!, lolol. Not exactly a good way to hold onto your Democratic base.
SC-1 Joe Cunningham flipped in 2018 after GOP Rep. Mark Sanford -- an outspoken Trump critic -- lost in his primary earlier that year. The district has been Republican for the past 40 years, and it was a quirk we won it in 2018 (Blue Wave plus the Sanford implosion). It was a blowout in 2020.
OK-5 Kendra Horn, the same as SC-1, but even more of a quirk, as 2108 was the first time in 44 years it went Blue. It was always going to be so hard to hold, especially in a POTUS election year.
IA-1, another 2018 Blue Waver went down, Abby Finkenauer, and it again, was a Trump district in 2016 and even more so in 2020. It is a mostly rural district as well.
NM-2 Yvette Herrell, knocked off freshwoman Democratic Xochitl Torres Small in a rematch. Other than one 2 year term (a fluke when Rethug Pearce chose to run for US Senate, but then came right back to win), that district was Red since the 1970's up until Smalls' upset win. It just reverted to norm without the one-off Blue Wave advantage. Super rural, massive (in land area), defund the cops was hardly a pressing issue.
MI-3 , the last one, is counted a a Rethug flip, but it really was not. It's the Amash seat and it is counted as he left the Rethugs and went indy and then Libertarian and then retired. The Rethugs just won it back, we did not lose it. It is ruby Red, since it was re-districted almost 30 years ago, it has never been held by a Democratic rep.
DeminPennswoods
(15,285 posts)Thanks
Autumn
(45,066 posts)As others have pointed out, plenty of sympathy for "Black Lives Matter," and then "Defund the Police" came along.
I said as much on a Facebook post back in summer that Defund the Police was lousy branding and would cause a backlash. While most agreed with me, a few of my more rabid friends raked me over the coals, saying anything other than Defunding the Police was whitewashing the message and that only something as strong as "Defund the Police" would rally people.
I also grew weary of the phrase's defenders saying, "No, no, people are misunderstanding it. Here's what 'defund the police' means..." I KNOW WHAT IT FUCKING MEANS. I completely understand the need to de-militarize the police in this country.
But as soon as you start having to explain a slogan, you're losing.
What's tough is that many of us who cringe at Defund the Police care so deeply about racial equity and stay silent on this topic because we're trying not to diminish the experiences of our black brothers and sisters. Same with trying to rationalize vandalism out of a fear of not looking woke enough.
I often think of Dumbledore's great quote: "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends."
I feel like we have to have some hard and honest conversations with our friends in the coming months and years.
treestar
(82,383 posts)would it do good to have ads that explain what it is and that Democrats are not it? It might take too much thinking for the average person who lives only to be entertained.
angrychair
(8,698 posts)that DCCC failed to counter the Republican narrative about the economy. So many of the votes came down to "economy" and the false impression that republicans are somehow better than Democrats on the economy.
Unless and until we can strongly counter that narrative we will continue to face this situation.
To be clear:
progressive, Democratic Party, economic policies have made our country more successful and always fixed the economy when republicans screwed it up.
brooklynite
(94,518 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)angrychair
(8,698 posts)tactic is ridiculous and intellectually insulting.
Our economy has overt socialistic concepts built into it.
That said, we need to make it clear that our economy is stronger under Democratic Party leaders. Its not opinion but definable and provable.
That should be the job of a Warren going forward. People already trusted on the economy and selling it as a policy wonk. She is incredibly smart, knowledgeable, quick-witted and likable.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Republicans seem to realize that the man or woman that has $20 left in his or her pocket to last until the next paycheck, is going to have a visceral reaction to the ill informed concept that the government provides high living to people that didnt work for it - that lie works, it causes poor people to cut their throats if not given another option - so we see diametrically opposed outcomes like Florida voters voting for a $15 minimum wage that indexes henceforth with inflation, and voting for a person like Donald Trump, who has NEVER worked to earn anything in his life. But the reality is that Florida is a state of two economic poles, rich people and well paid government functionaries like Sheriffs and Judges, and everyone else, with everyone else spanning the range from people that have to borrow gas money on Thursday to finish the week at work to people that have a few bucks in their pockets or saved, but not anything more.
What democratic candidates need to get better at is explaining to struggling people how Democratic Party policies over more than a century has put more money in peoples pockets each week, and LOWERED their taxes to boot. Hit republican leaning voters with facts and have a calm conversation with them when they start spewing bullshit, gently put the seed in their heads that they have been doing nothing but screwing themselves by voting republican.
stopdiggin
(11,301 posts)"Intellectually insulting" got us 4 years of DJT .. and damned near got us another 4! For all the same reasons that "defund the police" goes over in middle America like a fu*king bomb. It really comes down to whether you want to win elections or not.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)and be a whole lot smarter.
It doesn't matter how great your economic message is if you have to spend half of your time explaining why your socialism is different than other socialism.
Probably a lot smarter to never label it as socialism in the first place.
Celerity
(43,333 posts)is people in favour of bog standard, milquetoast (milquetoast for all the rest of the advanced western democratic nation states) social democracy.
You know me, Brooklynite, I have been tirelessly banging on this since I joined here. It is the only real mistake that AOC made (and she has backed off the false-labelling of late at east in terms of leading with it). Bernie is too old and set in his ways to change. Not one federally elected Dem is a remotely an actual democratic socialist. NONE believe in state control of the means of production. Bernie was said he is not in favour of that so so many times. Yet he clings to the bloody false label. It is maddening and invites attacks.
EllieBC
(3,014 posts)Its the GOP that keeps yelling about socialism. We dont actually use the term as part of any plan as far as Ive seen.
Poiuyt
(18,122 posts)The term Democratic Socialism is just an invitation for Reptilians to attack us by calling us all socialists. They use it as a scary word and have been for decades. Left wing progressives need to come up with a better word.
Another option is to fight fire with firecall them fascists. (They are actually pretty close to that so it's not inaccurate).
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)doesnt do justice to a lot of grounded liberals. I consider myself to be a left wing progressive, but I also believe that any proposed societal change must be accompanied by a balance sheet that clearly lays out costs, savings cash flows, assets gained by making the change. Assets can be a healthier population of the country because everyone gets access to quality healthcare, or every kid leaving high school with a path to something other than a dead end job.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Democratic Socialism, and Socialist Democracy form their "Series on Socialism" Then we can start saying they are not socialism.
Until that day, not another member of the Democratic Party should say the words Socialist, or Socialism. We need to create ads that show it as GOP attacking the Democratic Party every time they call us socialist.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)ground those numbers in realistic costs and savings that most people can easily visualize. Republicans only scream socialism, but unfortunately, that is all that they have to do, because we have a few politicians who are all too willing to fall into their trap by loudly proposing blue sky ideas and insisting that we can hit them with one big swing, those politicians are not wrong about the benefits of the end state, but they are often totally blind to the logistics of how to get to that end state in the most efficient manner.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...but I agree that the #1 issue was "the economy" especially in the time of a pandemic. Trump always polled well on this metric. (Beats me why and I study this closely...)
Also, he was able to scare some white women with the small amount of violence around the George Floyd protests. I realize you can't control outside agitators but the signs of fires and looting scared a lot of people. Joe and the rest of the Dem candidates had to try to defend this. Trump started rebounding from his disastrous polling disadvantage after the protests had some violence.
The important thing to remember is that most people make decisions with emotion and not facts. Trump does what any good con artist does, he appeals to his marks emotional wants and needs. Facts don't matter once he makes that connection.
That is why his supporters are so angry. He has them emotionally charged.
It is also very difficult to unseat a sitting President...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They are Petri dishes for adverse outcomes to the issue(s) being protested for or against. Some cops love street protests because it gives them license to harm people that they otherwise could get into trouble for harming.
And, like you pointed out, the images of people breaking windows and stealing stuff has a negative psychological impact on some voters, often enough to help Trump win a state.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Democrats have been better for the economy for over 100 years, with NO exceptions. Every time a Republican opens his or her mouth about that economy, the democratic opponent need to lay that Republican out with well understood and stated facts. It is about time that our office seekers end that shit.
crickets
(25,968 posts)Response to crickets (Reply #38)
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struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)A groundgame constrained by covid. Things that we must never mention.
brooklynite
(94,518 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)There was interference, all right, and it was from the right and USPS.
Kaleva
(36,295 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)brooklynite
(94,518 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)diva77
(7,640 posts)MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Primary issue is the voter information. We need better databases, analytics, etc. We need to be micro targeting.
Messaging was good as far as defending ACA, but not good beyond that. Should have played up getting checks in peoples hands and jobs jobs jobs.
a kennedy
(29,655 posts)MissB
(15,806 posts)a kennedy
(29,655 posts)Im watching a stupid movie, and I just want it over.
MissB
(15,806 posts)Everyone is on edge
JI7
(89,248 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)defund police and actually has respect for how most of them go about doing their jobs.
stopdiggin
(11,301 posts)But if the message here is meant to convey that the Biden campaign was not well run (or messaged) -- I'd have to say, horse pucky!
Where would the election tallies be right now if Joe Biden had accepted more "advice?"
diva77
(7,640 posts)and e-pollbooks gumming up the election process, they might be able to come up with a logical explanation.
For starters, have a look at some examples of legal actions and decisions going on in GA regarding the BMDs & electronic pollbooks
https://bradblog.com/Docs/CurlingOpinion_GA-BMDs_101120.pdf
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/appeals-court-halts-order-requiring-georgia-paper-pollbook-backups
https://coalitionforgoodgovernance.org/?doing_wp_cron=1604584546.4128150939941406250000
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The devices in these lawsuits are used in several states.
crickets
(25,968 posts)diva77
(7,640 posts)addressing this issue.
Aepps22
(166 posts)People have to realize the absurd turnout Republicans just had in this election. They found voters we didn't think they had and some of our candidates got caught up in the wave. These people love Trump and voted Republican straight down the ticket. Look at what happened in Maine?
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Yes, the defund police thing was stupid, but that just filled a VERY small space among the flat lies Rs spew about Ds.
I work a poll, and I saw the same thing I saw in 2016, every fucking cock roach in our district came out to vote for Donald Trump. This huge ass margin was made by people who had never voted before 2016, did not show up since, and there were even more who had never voted even in 2016 who came out Tuesday.
As you noted, they voted down ballot and THAT is why the toss up and R leaning House races broke wrong, and why in states like NC, Maine and Iowa, without the big urban areas to counter balance the cock roach factor, those senators we had a shot at were able to pull it out.
People HAVE to stop transferring the horribleness of republicans off on democrats, we can' t save this country if we don't reconcile with cancer that is conservatism and the republican party.
I pushed back from day one this thing about Hillary was a bad candidate. NO, she was not. She is a decent person, highly capable public servant and was a fine candidate.
The problem was the 60+ million americans ginnged themselves up to vote for a raging psychopath dictator.
THAT is the problem, and that is where ALL the blame lies.
Dems are not perfect and absolutely have to be tougher, but every time the media and WE do this thing about slagging Ds we let the Rs off the hook ...
DeminPennswoods
(15,285 posts)I don't think anyone can underestimate just how devoted these people are to Trump. The R turnout this year was a unique event. I don't think they can ever duplicate it. There's no one in the GOP who has whatever it is that evokes this kind of blind adoration.
Mr. Ected
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Let that sink into middle America for a decade or so, then they may finally take a hint.
Clearly define it, then prove our case over and over again. Shouldn't be hard. They are, after all, far more fascist-leaning than Dems are socialists.
andym
(5,443 posts)And these folks would never vote for a Democrat. We need to increase the enthusiasm even more for Democrats-- Biden already has won more votes nationally than anyone before him and probably so have Democratic House members.