Drumpf got one thing right: The polls were wrong.

[El Supremo]

Now, don't attack me. I don't buy his claim that it was a conspiracy to influence votes. But the polls definitely showed a bigger margin of victory for Biden and all Dems. That isn't good.

[fierywoman]

1. Excuse my stupidity for saying this, but what if the supposed 68M trumpies are

actually part of the macro chicanery of spanky and his minions? What if the polls WERE actually right and what we're seeing now is how much they were planning on stealing?

[Laelth]

10. That's becoming easier to believe.

I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that Trump picked up an extra 200,000 votes in Miami-Dade since 2016. Lots of things about this election just don’t make sense. Mercifully, we’re winning, regardless.

-Laelth

[58Sunliner]

12. That's my take on it.

Two states-Va and Texas per polling under-performed by @6.5%.

[unblock]

2. Fair to point out where polls and vote counts don't line up, but wrong to assume the polls were off

Remember, we're dealing with people who cheat, always.

I think they're pissed because they didn't cheat enough to win re-election, but I rather suspect they did cheat enough to keep a few senate seats

[bullimiami]

8. yes. and yes. ive felt this since cleland/chambliss and it has just gotten worse and more widespread

its not the polls that are wrong. its the votes.

[judesedit]

3. Yay on both replies.

[regnaD kciN]

4. We have to wait until all the votes are counted to draw that conclusion...

GA was considered a "toss-up" state. If it goes to Biden, that will have been accurate. As a matter of fact, if it stays where it is, with a narrow Trump victory, it still would have been accurate. Polling averages had Biden up by 3% in AZ; right now, it's at 2%, which is well within the margin of error.

The places where, it seems to me, the polling was off was in the Senate races, not the presidential contest, but that awaits further analysis.

As to the national polls, once again, we need to see after all votes are tabulated. For example, in 2016, at the time Clinton conceded, she was trailing in the popular vote. Once all the remaining votes, particularly on the west coast, had been counted, she had won it by 2.1%, definitely within the margin of error from 538's predicted 3.2%.

[58Sunliner]

14. Well look at the history of Georgia. Why is it a "toss-up?"

History. Personally I think Abrams was ripped off and not just by rat fucking. 2016-remember the election server that was wiped rather than allow any examination?? Polling was off for Va, TX. Have not looked at all states.

[Renew Deal]

5. Not just that, but they were claiming 9-10 point wave election.

[joshcryer]

6. When the votes are done the polls will be seen to be within the margin.

At the low end, sure, but within the margin.

[JCMach1]

7. They didn't adjust for the level of cheating

[doc03]

9. I think there are a few million closet Trump voters that

won't admit voting for him.

[Nictuku]

11. Here is what I think...

I don't necessarily think the polls were wrong.

I think it TOOK THAT MUCH TURNOUT to fight (and win, just barely) against all of the machinations that the Republican Party has been doing for years.

We had to turn out in droves in order to overcome all of their cheating.

[Laelth]

15. Occam's Razor says that's the best explanation for what we are seeing. n/t

-Laelth

[qdouble]

13. The polls will be pretty accurate once all the votes are counted.

Polling only appears to be off in about 4 states.