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BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:34 PM Nov 2020

The problem is NOT the Democratic party

It's Trump voters. Do you really want to appeal to people who are attracted by a narcissistic, racist, traitor? Joe Biden has been an excellent candidate, and he is winning. Some of the other races are a disappointment, but I can't believe there is anything we can do to appeal to them that wouldn't be thoroughly immoral and disgusting.

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The problem is NOT the Democratic party (Original Post) BainsBane Nov 2020 OP
You are absolutely correct. niyad Nov 2020 #1
You're correct-the problem is the GOP has gone off the rails n/t Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2020 #2
We have learned why populism can be so dangerous Dem2 Nov 2020 #3
It does precisely as it is designed BainsBane Nov 2020 #6
it's touchscreens. mopinko Nov 2020 #4
+1,000. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2020 #7
Not necessarily BainsBane Nov 2020 #8
and we won minnesota. mopinko Nov 2020 #9
The claim that an election is rigged if we don't win BainsBane Nov 2020 #10
14 states BainsBane Nov 2020 #11
illinois uses paper on election day, but early voting is touchscreen, mopinko Nov 2020 #17
There is evidence of jerks BainsBane Nov 2020 #20
Then there is the fact BainsBane Nov 2020 #21
This has to be our cilla4progress Nov 2020 #5
Yeah, and I'm tired of Claire McCaskill saying it is. milestogo Nov 2020 #12
We also would have won bigger if we had a Ground Campaign JI7 Nov 2020 #13
They had extensive organization BainsBane Nov 2020 #18
I agree, i'm not saying we should have done that JI7 Nov 2020 #22
EXACTLY CORRECT relayerbob Nov 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author relayerbob Nov 2020 #15
In Iowa, shit loads of younger right-wingers from rural areas cast their first votes for Trump. bullwinkle428 Nov 2020 #16
Iowa seems to be getting BainsBane Nov 2020 #19

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
6. It does precisely as it is designed
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:42 PM
Nov 2020

to suck people in through appeal to a charismatic leader that, in most cases, maintains the system. In Trump's case, it feeds Trump.

mopinko

(70,070 posts)
4. it's touchscreens.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:41 PM
Nov 2020

paper ballots, not vapor ballots.
early voting in most places is touch screen, even if day of isnt.

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
8. Not necessarily
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

Here in MN, early votes are paper ballots. Day of ballots are also paper, and the voter feeds them through a scantron machine.

I think we have to admit there is something truly fucked up about nearly half of the American people.

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
10. The claim that an election is rigged if we don't win
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:56 PM
Nov 2020

Is exactly what we hear from the White House.

mopinko

(70,070 posts)
17. illinois uses paper on election day, but early voting is touchscreen,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:13 AM
Nov 2020

i would assume it is the same in most states.
you just cant have a few polling elections w multiple ballots.
it is too likely to be f'd up. touchscreen displays all ballot configurations.

but if it makes you feel better to overestimate the number of jerks in the populace instead of criminals in the thug party, go ahead on.

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
20. There is evidence of jerks
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:16 AM
Nov 2020

I have yet to see evidence of rigged elections in the deep red states you insist were stolen from us.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
12. Yeah, and I'm tired of Claire McCaskill saying it is.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:02 AM
Nov 2020

I'm tired of her commentary on MSNBC. She never says anything new or interesting.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
13. We also would have won bigger if we had a Ground Campaign
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:02 AM
Nov 2020

Of course Biden cares about those working for him, volunteers and supporters so he wasn't going to have them risk their lives .

But this is an important point to consider and how we could have gotten more votes if we had done that.

The ground campaign applies to other races also .

People like Beto O'Rourke and Stacey Abrams are working hard to help build our party up . Even when they lost they continued to fight harder including for other democrats .

That's what we need to do .

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
18. They had extensive organization
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:14 AM
Nov 2020

In the states. It simply wasn't practical to do door knocking in the age of COVID. They used other methods to reach out to voters. Here they were even giving voters rides to the polls.

I will say their data for the phone bank system sucked, and the thru talk dailer never worked. So much so they completely gave up on it for GOTV. God knows how many millions they spent on that thing.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
22. I agree, i'm not saying we should have done that
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:19 AM
Nov 2020

just that it's one of the reasons we didn't get higher numbers.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
14. EXACTLY CORRECT
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:06 AM
Nov 2020

The Democrats did everything prety close to righ. Yes, some slipups, but the fact is, a huge number of people PREFER the autocracy and chaos, and/or are gullible to open lies. Period. The only ones to blame for all of this is *THEM*

Response to BainsBane (Original post)

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
16. In Iowa, shit loads of younger right-wingers from rural areas cast their first votes for Trump.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 12:12 AM
Nov 2020

His vote total went from 800,000 in 2016 to 890,000 in 2020. If they're all getting sucked into this QAnon bullshit, I have no desire to reach out in an effort to appeal to them in any way.

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