Morning Joe and gang are talking how Democrats lost and how

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they are going to lose in 2022. They failed to win state races that will hurt them on redistricting.
yada yada yada

[XanaDUer2]

1. I'm watching too

not sure what to think, but it's a buzzkill

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5. I do agree with them on a couple people I wish would just shut up. The defunding police

thing and socialism is poison. But Joe Biden isn't going to let them tell him what to do.

[Nimble_Idea]

8. yeah.... people just keep echoing right wing talking points

sometimes I feel like I am reading FReeperville.

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12. Republicans didn't come up with defunding the police some of us gave them that

talking point.

[JonLP24]

15. The poster means you trashing defunding the police

Black voters put Biden over the edge in Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. Most black voters support defunding the police.

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The slogan is unpopular with most demographic groups, too, with two notable exceptions: Black Americans and Democrats. In the two polls where results were broken down by race, Black respondents said they supported defunding the police by an average of 45 percent to 28 percent, while white respondents opposed it by an average of 61 percent to 23 percent. This is in line with other polls that have consistently shown that white people mostly see police in a favorable light, while Black people are likelier to have experienced mistreatment at officers’ hands and take the problem of police violence seriously. So what we’re seeing here may be another reflection of Black and white Americans’ different experiences with police.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-like-the-ideas-behind-defunding-the-police-more-than-the-slogan-itself/

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18. I can undestand the frustration with the police but the talk of defunding them doesn't

make political sense, that won't get votes from the 61% of whites that oppose it.

[Celerity]

23. its a concerted effort, plucked out of the aether to try to once again attempt to strangle any

halting of the overall rightward march in the crib.

[L.Pharmstrong]

31. Keep the rose-colored glasses on?

Or have a reasonable discourse of ways to address the issues that Morning Joe raises? They are right. We face some issues regarding branding of the party and the terms we select to frame the areas of debate. We also have to constructively find ways to deal with the Republican effort to rig the census, gerrymander and preserve power.

Reading DU a week ago, you would have thought that Biden would have won by a landslide and Trump would not have received a single electoral vote. That’s what happens when you censor all of the opinions and facts you don’t like as right-wing talking points. And that has worked out so well for us at DU. This is a very dumb and antidemocratic rule, which is pretty ironic.

[bdamomma]

13. What's with them???

The media wants to live in a dictatorship??? WTF

[mzmolly]

19. I agree - defund police was an ignorant message.

We shouldn't need a book to explain 'it doesn't really mean defund...'

Yep. Joe will continue to distance himself from nonsense.

[R B Garr]

35. Exactly. Those two phrases are total political losers. It's just

that simple.

[qdouble]

2. Just the talking heads looking for a new story line

Not to mention that Joe being a Republican will always find a way to blame democrats for something.

[mindem]

3. They're pissing me off this morning

joe shrieking about this being a resounding defeat for the democrats. On and on and on. Switched over to cnn.

[BannonsLiver]

4. So that's who they're going to have on air when this thing is called?

Bahahahahahaha major fail by MSNBC. You’re gonna have the third stringers on the field when the ball game is decided? Glad I’m watching CNN. Joe and Mika are imbeciles.

[Ishoutandscream2]

6. Pissed me off, big time

So, essentially, we can't work for "nice things", like universal health care, mandatory paid six weeks vacation, long term paid maternity leave, etc. etc. Let's just be centrist, safe, and not move forward. It was a sad commentary.

[BannonsLiver]

9. Meanwhile

Fuckface Joe missed the part where the 15 dollar minimum wage passed overwhelmingly in his home state. These people just mail it in every morning. They’re hacks. Which is why they’re on at 4 am.

[Celerity]

21. they come on at noon for me, lol

[wcast]

7. Listened for all of 30 seconds this morning.

All about the radical left and how Biden needs to govern from the center. Republicans are always pushing hard right with policies most Americans don't like but the media never tell them to move to the center.

Georgia is not close because of the center it is close because Atlanta and other diverse areas turned out.

[Nimble_Idea]

10. better believe it

Conservative white racists in denial, want Liberal and Black America to be quiet to go away about their issues.

[bdamomma]

17. I don't listen to

Joe.

Calling us the radical left????? That's as wrong as calling us socialists.

I think everyone needs a lesson in civics. Socialism??? Yeah the republicans practice that its called reserve socialism they give to themselves, fuck everyone else.

[Yeehah]

11. Thank you for the telescreen content update!

What would we do without the telescreen updates!

[still_one]

14. Hmmmmm, who is the governor in North Carolina again?

[beachbumbob]

16. can not DISMISS what is being said as the facts of this outcome can not be ignored

We be fools to do so

[moondust]

20. Watched for one minute.

Just long enough to hear him trot out the old SOCIALISM!!!! smear.

[Trumpocalypse]

22. Without Trump at the top of the ticket

a lot of his voters will stay home in 22.

[spanone]

24. FUCK 'EM WE'RE WINNING THE PRESIDENCY

[brooklynite]

26. Will you be this gleeful when new "redistricting" goes into effect in 2022?

[brooklynite]

25. Discussing a political trend that's factually true bothers you?

Not gaining State Leg seats is a major problem.

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27. I agree with that but the votes haven't even been counted yet and now they

are telling us how we f----d up. That is going to be the media from here on I guess making a
meme that the left is controlling Biden.

[brooklynite]

28. The votes that are being counted now are changing in the margins...

Not enough to win us any additional Senate, House or State Leg seats,

Go back and look at the anger express in the Democratic House Caucus call yesterday.

[grantcart]

30. Look no further than Mark Kelly

DU loves Kelly but will be shocked to see him reach across the aisle. Kelly was a registered Independent on the day Gabby was shot. Sinema's voting record is more moderate than Manchin's

Joe didn't diss AOC but simply said she only represents her district.

The closing ads against Kelly were all based on claims of Kelly being a socialist which would have worked with a less liked candidate.

Blue state Democrats on DU are out of touch with how difficult it is to win in red/purple states.

We aren't going to expand the party if we let the extreme part of the party to brand the entire party.

[R B Garr]

36. Exactly! This is perfectly stated.

These phrases are turnoffs for voters in those areas. If you have to argue with voters about what words mean, you are losing.

We can’t be saddled with these extreme phrases. They are political losers.

[Maru Kitteh]

29. OMG. PEOPLE - turn that BULLSHIT OFF. This isn't rocket science. Stop feeding

that skeevy troll and his troll barbie wife. If you stop watching them, they will go away.

[ananda]

32. That's true about redistricting. Huge bummer.

The GOP expanded its state legislature map,
which means that they can redistrict.

Therefore, it's very likely that the GOP will
win the House in 2022.

[helpisontheway]

33. Haha I wonder if someone told Joe S. that he was posting democrats off

with his comments. All of a sudden he is praising Sanders and Warren for working hard to help Biden. He is saying that Biden will need to figure out a way to keep that coalition together and appeal to a broader base. Probably scared his ratings were about to crash. 😂

[Mr. Sparkle]

34. Sadly they are right. The republicans who crossed over for Joe, still voted republican down ticket.

Look at Georgia as an example , in the senate the repug and the libertarian have over 200,000 more votes than Ossoff while Joe currently has a 1000 points lead.