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uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:39 AM Nov 2020

M$M & Morning Joe again dismisses Trumps cheating or HORRID polling & Biden's win.

M$M & Morning Joe again dismisses Trumps cheating or HORRID polling & Biden's win.

It's either the polling was horrid to the nth degree or Trump cheated and Biden still won which means this was a landslide.

Right now the thought bubble narrative in M$M is there's nothing wrong with the HORRID polling or Voter suppression that wasn't factored into it but dammit there's something REALLY wrong with the dems message.

It's not just Morning Joe its all of them and we need to push back as a party

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qdouble

(891 posts)
1. That the polling was horrid is a myth.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:43 AM
Nov 2020

When all the votes are counted, all of the states except about 3 will be within the margin of error.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
11. Polling as a WHOLE was outside of MOE in senate and house and state legislature, 3 states
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:14 AM
Nov 2020

... is a lot and in the day YouTube can tell what music I like to listen to via AI there's no damn way those polls should be this far off.

No other developed country in the world puts up with polling as far off as we've put up with in the US for 20 years skewed to one party.

qdouble

(891 posts)
12. No it was not.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:19 AM
Nov 2020

There are millions of ballots that haven't been counted around the nation. Biden's numbers are getting better and better.

The polling showed that there would be very tight battles in battle ground states.

The blue wave was based on optimism, not data.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
13. Yeah ... yes it was. The number of ballots left are NOT going to get state and federal level ...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:25 AM
Nov 2020

... senate and house seats back into aggregated MOE.

I'm talking about ALL the races ... not just the presidential one ... were polling is outside of of aggregated MOE and there's little to no explanation why

qdouble

(891 posts)
14. I already said that the polls were off in some states
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:11 AM
Nov 2020

However, this is the minority. If over 90% of the polling will be within the margin or error by the time all of the ballots are counted, you can’t say that all of the polling was horrible. The polling was decent with a few outliers.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
15. OK, that's fair. 90% is still horrible in any other country quantitively but if 9 out of 10 races...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:15 AM
Nov 2020

... from state legislatures to dog catcher are within MOE I'll give it to the pollsters.

I don't see that right now, the state legislatures races were even scaring republicans.

qdouble

(891 posts)
16. I think we need to count all the votes before the moratorium
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:15 AM
Nov 2020

Some of it may be just polling errors...however, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump or his associates did some dirt in some places. We need to know exactly which areas are way off first, so we need the final numbers.

Shermann

(7,399 posts)
2. They say the polls in 2016 contributed to Democratic voter apathy
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:47 AM
Nov 2020

So why would the "Democratic Deep State" intentionally skew the polls in the same direction in 2020?

That's not a logical strategy.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
4. Yeah hes a tool. We lost in Trumper deep states where they believed FOX news and the Trump echo cha
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:51 AM
Nov 2020

We lost in Iowa and Florida and Missouri.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
5. I think NEWS shows need to be subject to TRUTH in Adverstising laws.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:53 AM
Nov 2020

You can't LIE on the AIR and call it NEWS.

Call it your opinion and you can be a hack, but it can't be called NEWS.

SO FACTS again become the arbitrator of legitimacy and SUE people OFF the AIR who can't keep themselves from lying to get ratings.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
10. Not "all" but a consistent narrative from FAUX News to CNN. Its damn near the same thing that
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:00 AM
Nov 2020

... was said about 18 at first.

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